artherd
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Did anyone else get all tingly reading Jim's last post? This is OUTSTANDING. The lid's about to come right off.
IMMEDIATE CALIFORNIA SHALL-ISSUE!!! Read this, guys!
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gunsmith
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now we need a new thread
what happened with the prar thing? is this the ab1044 thing from before?
how will this help us? does it mean you can prove they are denying people based on race?
Funny how those "progressives" champion the rights of minority people,they the self proclaimed progressives champion the "right" of the gov't to send thousands of young black men to prison for the "crime" of gun ownership.
what happened with the prar thing? is this the ab1044 thing from before?
how will this help us? does it mean you can prove they are denying people based on race?
Funny how those "progressives" champion the rights of minority people,they the self proclaimed progressives champion the "right" of the gov't to send thousands of young black men to prison for the "crime" of gun ownership.
Pendragon
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the problem is - whatever we might prove with PRARs is being thwarted by Sheriff Depts who obstruct the process.
The PRAR process has almost no teeth - they can really gum up the works and you pretty much have to hire a lawyer and sue - then, when you win, they just have to do it and maybe pay attorney fees.
By building penalties into the PRAR law, not only do they have a reason to comply, but willful noncompliance could make for some interesting political hay.
Oh, they are gonna hate this!
The PRAR process has almost no teeth - they can really gum up the works and you pretty much have to hire a lawyer and sue - then, when you win, they just have to do it and maybe pay attorney fees.
By building penalties into the PRAR law, not only do they have a reason to comply, but willful noncompliance could make for some interesting political hay.
Oh, they are gonna hate this!
Jim March
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OK. Basic idea: to crack CCW wide open in court OR legislature, we need to expose what's going on.
Prior attempts to do so have run into weaknesses in the Public Records Act. Basically, PRAR suits are hideously complex (beyond the scope of somebody lacking an attorney), and there's no penalties for improper withholding of data, PLUS even straight attorney's fees aren't guaranteed. So a solo practitioner lawyer can go broke chasing these, esp. if counties like Santa Clara use the "paperwork overload" trick (aka "oceans of motions"). Don Kilmer flat turned me down on a PRAR suit against Sheriff Laurie Smith in Santa Clara for this reason.
Possible cure #1: the lawsuit against AB1044 is still very much in play. This is financed with $10k of SAF money, with myself, SAF and CCRKBA as plaintiffs against Cal-DOJ. We're trying to block them from destroying records plus gain access to their "central stash" of data. That'll blow stuff up REAL nice.
Failing that, or in supplement to it if it works: a lot of the weaknesses with the PRA will evaporate after November's passage of the constitutional right to records amendment. And it WILL pass, OK? Guaranteed. Folks, in California, it's an automatic triple attorney's fees multiplier for violations of constitutional rights
. At that point, somebody like Don Kilmer could make a *killing* taking on Smith or similar wacky sheriffs.
Prior attempts to do so have run into weaknesses in the Public Records Act. Basically, PRAR suits are hideously complex (beyond the scope of somebody lacking an attorney), and there's no penalties for improper withholding of data, PLUS even straight attorney's fees aren't guaranteed. So a solo practitioner lawyer can go broke chasing these, esp. if counties like Santa Clara use the "paperwork overload" trick (aka "oceans of motions"). Don Kilmer flat turned me down on a PRAR suit against Sheriff Laurie Smith in Santa Clara for this reason.
Possible cure #1: the lawsuit against AB1044 is still very much in play. This is financed with $10k of SAF money, with myself, SAF and CCRKBA as plaintiffs against Cal-DOJ. We're trying to block them from destroying records plus gain access to their "central stash" of data. That'll blow stuff up REAL nice.
Failing that, or in supplement to it if it works: a lot of the weaknesses with the PRA will evaporate after November's passage of the constitutional right to records amendment. And it WILL pass, OK? Guaranteed. Folks, in California, it's an automatic triple attorney's fees multiplier for violations of constitutional rights
. At that point, somebody like Don Kilmer could make a *killing* taking on Smith or similar wacky sheriffs.Jim Diver
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Amboy California is up for sale again... 1.4 mill.
Buy a town and start a police force there....
Buy a town and start a police force there....
jnojr
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Just wondering if there's any update on this... more Sheriffs to contact, etc.
gunsmith
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I'm sure Jim has not forgotton
It,I say we let him bask in the glow of diebold burning for a day or so then we hound him with the ccw stuff again
It,I say we let him bask in the glow of diebold burning for a day or so then we hound him with the ccw stuff again
Jim March
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Sigh.
Still on it, guys. Working a particular county...multiple players involved, have to chase 'em down.
Still on it, guys. Working a particular county...multiple players involved, have to chase 'em down.
fjolnirsson
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What news, Jim?
pittspilot
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Just Curious.
fjolnirsson
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BTT for Sgt Stevo
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colossians323
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Did this idea die on the vine?
It seems like the news is traveling very slow for being on the information superhighroad.
Is there anything we can do to help expedite this matter?
Did I get a breath of fresh air for not?
hello..........hello.....hello..hello:banghead:
It seems like the news is traveling very slow for being on the information superhighroad.
Is there anything we can do to help expedite this matter?
Did I get a breath of fresh air for not?
hello..........hello.....hello..hello:banghead:
gunsmith
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Don't worry guys
Rome wasn't destroyed in a day!
I'm sure Jim is on it...He just bought Diebold to their knees,give him awhile.
Unless you are friends with the head sherriff of a small county somewhere,if you are,share that info with Jim and help get the ball rolling
Rome wasn't destroyed in a day!
I'm sure Jim is on it...He just bought Diebold to their knees,give him awhile.
Unless you are friends with the head sherriff of a small county somewhere,if you are,share that info with Jim and help get the ball rolling
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The police chief who issued CCWs for $ retired two years ago. So did the Sheriff of Sacramento County who ordered him not to issue CCWs anymore.
I emailed the Isleton Chamber of Commerce (didn't find the mayor's email) and suggested that Isleton start a time share condo. You buy the condo and become a genuine resident of Isleton. You then walk to the chief's office and get your CCW for $. The timeshare condo can be operated by Isleton. Oh, don't plan to stay there as the 1 room condo entitles you to only one day's usage. That way they get 365 new residents.
Never heard back from them. Oh well, innovation gone to waste.
The police chief who issued CCWs for $ retired two years ago. So did the Sheriff of Sacramento County who ordered him not to issue CCWs anymore.
I emailed the Isleton Chamber of Commerce (didn't find the mayor's email) and suggested that Isleton start a time share condo. You buy the condo and become a genuine resident of Isleton. You then walk to the chief's office and get your CCW for $. The timeshare condo can be operated by Isleton. Oh, don't plan to stay there as the 1 room condo entitles you to only one day's usage. That way they get 365 new residents.
Never heard back from them. Oh well, innovation gone to waste.
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Esky
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Any news?
Living as I am in San Diego County, I'm really hoping that Jim's idea pans out- I'd sure love to get a CCW.
And since I just quit my job, I may have some spare time on my hands
(But I hope not for too long!)
Esky
Living as I am in San Diego County, I'm really hoping that Jim's idea pans out- I'd sure love to get a CCW.
And since I just quit my job, I may have some spare time on my hands
(But I hope not for too long!)
Esky
Sgt Stevo
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BTT for Stevo?
I dont know what BTT is. But I got shots for something,`that sounds like that a couple of years ago.
It does not burn when I pee anymore. Anyway. I dont understand any of this. I really want to. If I can help. PM me........
I dont know what BTT is. But I got shots for something,`that sounds like that a couple of years ago.
It does not burn when I pee anymore. Anyway. I dont understand any of this. I really want to. If I can help. PM me........
jnojr
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What constitutes "residency"? Why couldn't a group of us get together and buy a shack in a far-northern shall-issue county? 10,000 people pitch in $1 each...
10,000 people pitch in $1 each... Art Eatman
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Since Jim's working and waiting, I'm gonna close this thread for now. I'm guessing Jim will begin a new thread when there is something new to report.
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