IMMEDIATE CALIFORNIA SHALL-ISSUE!!! Read this, guys!

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Guys,
Im all for getting shall issue in th PRK.
But lets keep this simple, if we are going to have a completely new plan evolve out of Jims original Idea, lets start a new thread independent of this thread. that way we can keep progress of both, with no confusion.
I wolud have to believe that we are all on the same team with the same thought, to get shall issue CCW legally beating the freedom haters at their own game.
Remember this acronynm. K.I.S.S. keep it simple stupid.
I know its cliche, but we all need to be on the same page here.
I applaud eveyones creativeness and Ideas here, but this sounds like our best hope right now.











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Michael - It should be easy for anyone to get "deputized" as a humane society officer if all that's required is the payment of $X But, so what? Once they're a "deputized humane society officer", how does that get them a CCW? The *only* entities in the state of California who can issue CCWs are the chiefs of police and the Sheriffs. That's it. And I can guarantee you the San Diego Sheriff isn't handing out CCWs to humane society folks. I just don't see where your idea is going.
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Once again, if your goal is to carry a concealed weapon legally, it can be achieved through means other than CCW permit issuance. Immunity from prosecution for weapons carry charges will suffice.
Jims idea is already moving and has been reviewed by attorneys... *all* we need is for a Sheriff to say "I'll do it". After that, it's nuts and bolts.
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This is akin to Monty Python's prescription on How to Rid the World of All Known Diseases: "Well, first of all become a doctor and discover a marvellous cure for something, and then, when the medical profession really starts to take notice of you, you can jolly well tell them what to do and make sure they get everything right so there'll never be any diseases ever again." Mark my words: by the time you have the wherewithal to sway a sheriff of the dinkiest California county, you will have amassed enough money and influence to prevail in a ballot initiative.
 
I know its cliche, but we all need to be on the same page here.
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My sentiments exactly. Which is why I would rather not have either idea suffer the death of a thousand cuts. If Jim can get anywhere with a sheriff, I will pitch in. Till then, let us discuss both ideas together, lest "divide and conquer" turn against us.
 
Once again, if your goal is to carry a concealed weapon legally, it can be achieved through means other than CCW permit issuance. Immunity from prosecution for weapons carry charges will suffice.
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1) Where are you getting this "immunity from prosecution"? And 2) since when has such a thing *ever* stopped a political prosecution? I know I'm not looking forward to being the guinea pig... "Hey, you can't arrest me!" "Watch us..." Then I get to sit in jail and be out thousands of dollars or more. No thanks...

Mark my words: by the time you have the wherewithal to sway a sheriff of the dinkiest California county, you will have amassed enough money and influence to prevail in a ballot initiative.
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But we aren't trying to amass a mighty war machine to cudgel a Sheriff into submission... Jim is looking for a Sheriff who'll willingly jump on board, and he's amassed a good bit of information pointing to why this is pretty likely.

I'm going to second the motion that this new idea be discussed in a different thread. It may have its' own merits, and who knows but that that might be the way to go? But it seems silly to have the discussion of Jims original idea get bogged down in an argument over which way to go... this thread is about *his* way to go :)
 
Michael.
I havent looked at the legality of what you are proposing, nor am I a lawyer. I'm very interested in any way we can beat the system legally.
I think all parties interested would follow another thread with same thought different means, (I personally would/will).
I really think it best if the two different ideas have there own threads for simpletons like myself who find it hard to multi-task.
I think both ideas will have plenty of volunteers, and donaters. As a matter of fact the faster we get there the better it is for all of us Constitutionalists who love our Country.
Maybe we can label the threads California shall issue plan 1, and plan 2.
I hope you are not offended, I'm very eager to pursue any route available to gain back stolen rights, as are most Kalifornians.

How do you eat an elephant?

ONE BITE AT A TIME.
 
I'd be very surprised if any Humane Society went for this. If you're carrying solely because you're authorized do so as an officer, the institution would be on the hook liability-wise.
 
Yeah this animal society thing needs more justification. It sounds like the good ole, "Lets incorporate our own city and appoint El Rojo the sheriff so he can make us all deputies and we can all get CCW". That means that you have to get people to maintain this fake humane society and complete all of its tasks. Of course this requires time and money. Easy to talk about here, but I can tell you I don't have the time for it and in all honesty I don't have the money either. That doesn't mean some of you don't.

However, getting an existing sheriff to jump on Jim's idea doesn't require any of our time! You use the existing sheriff's department to do all of the administrative work for you and to use the existing, tried and true CCW issuance system that is already in place. This way the county benefits from our benefit.

Hey if you can get the humane society thing to work, go for it. I would think the main hurtles you are going to have is convincing people that it is legitimate and that their investment is going to give them a return. That means having clear legal justification and being able to show that you can indeed carry concealed while being a "reserve" dog catcher. As it stands that idea sounds so wobbly that I wouldn't be willing to throw $100 at it with no way of getting my money back for failure. Sorry, I don't have a lot of money and I like my money to get results.

With Jim's idea it is a given. The sheriff tells you if you apply to be a citizen volunteer, that he will issue you a CCW permit, regardless of where you live, that is good enough for me. Tell me where to send the check. I know the little piece of paper with CCW on it is real and works. I have one. I don't know about a reserve humane society officer badge.
 
Update: I have an appointment with an actual candidate sheriff on 4/15. I'm awaiting callbacks from the two previous that I got paperwork into. I'm going to hold off on new contacts until after the 15th because I hope to learn enough from that to fine-tune the approach.
 
Go Jim Go.

BTW, what ever happened to that Chief in Isleton, CA?
 
any new info Jim?

It would be great to be able to carry off duty.
Strange,CA says it is ok for me to carry just about any handgun I want
but off duty SF says I can't.
 
Eugene Byrd ticked off "The Man" so bad they reformed the law and made it so that Police Chiefs can only issue to residents of the Chiefs' city.

This allowed The current Sacramento County Sheriff to resume business as usual and go back to issuing to the rich, the powerful and the well connected without worrying that anyone could go get a permit in Isleton "just for the asking".

Isleton was having financial problems and after the law changed, he was essentially scape goated and either quit or was let go - IIRC.
 
Gunsmith; you've GOT to be f-ing kidding me? DO I take it to mean you're an LEO and can't even get a damn permit?

Time to move your residence to Mendocino county man!

It would be great to be able to carry off duty.
Strange,CA says it is ok for me to carry just about any handgun I want
but off duty SF says I can't.
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No, he's private security with the full set of "guard card" uniformed on-duty open carry permits.

CCW could triple his income. But those high-dollar plainclothes bodyguard/loss prevention gigs are restricted to retired/offduty cops right now. The Sheriff/Chief who turns down your permit today is boosting his own post-retirement income by keeping CCW rare; it's a serious built-in conflict of interest.
 
Well...? Curious minds want to know. :) How did your meeting today go?

Jim, Not sure if you're aware but I was added to the suit here in Sac.

Dave
 
Well we got a swing and a miss on this one. He's too geographically close to too many anti-gun counties. He doesn't want to piss off neigboring sheriffs.

OK. Gotta go further afield. Will be making phone calls tomorrow.

One thing that came out of the VERY pleasant and polite 3/4 hour session is that he already had some idea how hosed the CCW process is. He did NOT know that many of the worst sheriffs are violating the Public Records Act. I was able to brief him about how SCA1, the upcoming constitutional amendment on public records, is going to seriously improve access to the CCW records. Basically, there's a good chance the word will start trickling out that other GOP sheriffs could end up in serious hot water come mid-December when a floor of "PRARs from hell" hammer the worst of the offenders.

Meanwhile, I'll be making some phone calls tomorrow at a county further into the boonies. Annoying, but apparantly necessary.
 
Please, PLEASE, -=PLEASE=- STOP NAMING COUNTIES!!!

Dammit, guys! Artherd, Carnitas, Pull those messages, RIGHT NOW.

Pendragon: the constitutional amendment on public records already passed the legislature and is heading to a November vote. It's a slam-dunk done deal. The whole thing was pushed by the newspaper lobby and with 100% of the media doing free PR ahead of the November vote, it's GOING to pass.

The main sponsor was John Burton!

The Dems didn't realize how seriously it would affect CCW. You know all these records denials we've gotten so far? Uh huh. Can you say "triple attorney fees" on ALL of them? Plus *damages* for violations of constitutional rights?

The lid ain't gonna stay on very long!!!
 
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