Impressed by Mesa Safe!

[RN]

Hi guys and gals...

Thought I would share a pretty good deal on a Mesa safe that does not have many reviews..I bought this Safe on Friday and it was delivered to my garage at 1400 today. I bought it from a vendor on eBay so you can imagine that I was a little concerned about the model/condition etc...I knew that I was getting a good deal but the vendor could not answer a couple questions that I had.(That caused me a little stress)The new models come with an internal usb/ac strip and no one could tell me if these safes had them or not. No biggie..For 700.00 bucks(model MBF5922E), it was a deal anyway. I have been comparing safes for a while and even without the internal strip it was a better deal then others in its class.

Well, No need to worry about that...It was about the smoothest 551 pound delivery that I have ever received..And....The internal strip was in the safe AND it came with a killer full door organizer which I have not even seen as an option..Just fantastic..Once delivered, I learned the reason behind the eBay vendor not knowing anything..The eBay avenue was obviously just another sales channel for Grangier Supply..(great company) They sell a lesser version of this safe in their site for 900.00 bucks. I set it all up and it works perfect and nobody is walking away with this peice of steel..Anyway, I have not seen any reviews on this safe so I thought I would let my fellow highroaders know that's it's a beast for 700.00 bucks and comes with more than expected..Highly Recommended!

 

[hso]

It appears to have 11 gauge steel in the body with a plate faced door and bolts left and right.

It appears to have a 60 minute fire rating, but not UL listing for it. Do you know what they use for materials providing that?

What make of lock does it have?

http://gunsafehunter.com/stack-on-total-defense-vs-mesa-gun-safe-review/
If you're not certain this video from the manufacturer has some of that information.

 

[a1abdj]

If that safe has a back up key, I can open it in less than 30 seconds with a piece of coat hanger.

 

[RN]

Hey..Its not a fort knox but for 700 bucks delivered into my garage it's a heck of a deal..I looked at almost every 14 gun safe 700 bucks and under this was the best. The goal of this Safe(and it is a safe) is to deter long enough for the popo to arrive and I have no doubt that it will achieve that. That absolute most Important part in that equation is shear weight. All other security festers are worthless if they can quickly get away with your safe. ANY safe can be cracked if they have all the time in the world to do it so weight..weight..weight..Making it impossible to quickly throw in a truck and leave. It is being constantly monitored by a motion detector so any would be thief has about 3 mins(mostly less)before Duluth PD is waiting to say hello.. UL listed is fine and all but I understand from working in industry before the med field that it's really just an additional cost. If your products are properly designed than blowing a fortune on UL is silly. If you can find another safe with the features below for 700 bucks and delivered to house please post it as even I would like to know. I spent a lot of time and touched a lot of safes in this category so My only angle is to hopefully save our fellow highroaders some trouble.

1. 12 gage All steel
2. 551 Pounds
3. Delivered
4. Usb/AC strip installed
5. Full door organizer
6. 12 1 1/2 inch locking bolts with spring relocker and armor plating drill resistant punch plate.
7. 1 hour fire rating(let's just say 30 min even)
8. E lock with non volitial memory and eprom stored inside safe. Double bitted emergency lock..(again, pickable but it would take special tools and time the crooks won't have)
9. Adjustable shelving system
10. Floor anchor kit included..

 

[RN]

If that safe has a back up key, I can open it in less than 30 seconds with a piece of coat hanger.

1. That coming from someone selling very expensive safes doesn't surprise me.
2. All the local crooks here in Duluth Ga and skilled safe crackers. Jezzz...
3. Your running out of time as my alarm has already sent an ip message and cell call to the PD right behind my house
4. I don't believe you anyway and if I was worried about being robbed by roving bands of safe technicians, I can add a combo S&G for less than a hundred bucks with no key. But, I want the key as a backup up.. It's a great safe at a great price..

 

[a1abdj]

I don't believe you anyway and if I was worried about being robbed by roving bands of safe technicians, I can add a combo S&G for less than a hundred bucks with no key. But, I want the key as a backup up..

Well you should. It's true. And it's not just "safe technicians". Lots of bad guys know this information. They all have access to Google and Youtube.

And no you can't. The safes using non UL rated locks are typically not set up to accept a UL rated lock.

I'm glad you're happy with your safe. Just keeping it real.

 

[RN]

Ok...I get it..Everyone sjould buy a Sturdy safe..lol..I am keeping real as well and yes you can buy a UL lock for this safe if you want..As a matter of fact, I can call mesa safe right now and purchase a grade 2 s&g combo and have it on by friday so you really dont know what you are talking about..sorry..

Look..I understand that you sell safes and and very good ones at that..However, trying to steer people to the absolute nonsense that your avearage burglar is going to know how to pick a double bitted lock is just silly.. Its not happening while my alarm is roaring and the popo is in route..

Its a wonderful safe for the price and if I felt the need to upgrade it, i could..Alas, I dont..For anyone looking for a killer deal on a safe that will keep the kids out and your avearge smash and grab crook at bay.. This ones hard to beat..

 

[a1abdj]

I'm sorry. I have clearly encountered somebody that knows more about these safes than I do. Carry on.

 

[rbernie]

RN - we're all glad that you're pleased with your purchase. Seriously.

If you want honest feedback on the pros and cons of the purchase, you can get that here from any number of knowledgeable folk. However, if you simply want mindless validation of your purchase, just say so and we will all dutifully trot out the 'way to go, bro!' high fives instead of trying to inject real knowledge into the discussion.

It's really up to you - just say the word.

 

[RN]

Hey..I don't usually have the time to post anything and when I do it's to genuinely help other shooters out or ask for help myself..Regardless of your badmouthing(which is a character flaw by the way) I have proven you wrong about the UL upgradable lock. Your just wrong buddy..Accept it and move on..


BTW..While reading some other forums about safes, it seems your name pops up a lot.(imagin that) From what I can tell, you bust into proud new owners threads and bash their safes with off color comments like, I can open that in 30 secs with a coat hanger or its Chinese, or its a simple Solenoid easily defeated by watching you tube. etc..on and on.. These are just few of your remarks made to proud new owners after they spent good money..Dude..Get a life..Quit trolling and trying to make people feel bad about their purchases. You do it all over the web and it's very petty..

I love the safe I purchased and so will many others if THEY decide that it meets the criteria they have set forth. (Like keeping children and common Crims out) Yes, I could buy a Porsche, but I don't need one. My ford does just fine for its intended purpose. You are obviously biased and should stop trying to advertise while insulting people..Now..Go away and quit trying to scare people into buying your marked up safes...

 

[RN]

"just say so and we will all dutifully trot out the 'way to go, bro!' high fives"


Well let's see... Did I ask for his opinion? No..So don't come running to this salesmen's defense..I was merely trying to start a thread and answer any questions that our fellow members might have about a great deal in a killer safe. In laymen terms.. If I posted a thread about the pros and cons of said safe and happened to be soliciting advice it might have been better received..That's not what happened in this case..This dude popped in MY thread and insulted my purchase like he has done all over the web to other..Its crap and just because you popped in with your witty marginalization means nothing..People will see this guy for what he is and his buddy's(you)will come on and continue to try and defend him..Its happened in every other forum that I have seen his attacks..Won't bother me..I am a big boy and I don't like bully's or rude people..

The facts are..I was truly trying to help our other members by reviewing what I find to be a great deal and your buddy chimed in with insults.. Like my mom always said..If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all..

 

[a1abdj]

Regardless of your badmouthing(which is a character flaw by the way) I have proven you wrong about the UL upgradable lock. Your just wrong buddy..Accept it and move on..

You haven't proven jack. Mesa uses three types of set ups on their gun safes. UL type lock mounts only (no back up key, but with a key hole), Non-UL type lock (key back up, depresses solenoid), and a sliding lock mount (key back up, moves entire lock).

So if you have a key, we can rule out the first. If you have the second, you can't install a UL rated lock at all. And if you have the third, the moving mount negates the UL rating, and if installing a combo S&G the spindle of the dial negates the key back up.

When it comes down to it, you "can do" all sorts of things. Doesn't mean the safe will work properly afterwords. So perhaps technically, you're somewhat right. But realistically, you're not.

when I do it's to genuinely help other shooters out or ask for help myself..

See? We have something in common. Some people don't know you can open some of these safes fairly easily. They think "wow, it's big and heavy, and $700". If what I say prevents a kid from gaining access to dad's safe, or keeps somebody from loosing their collection to a meth head, then I feel I have "helped".

BTW..While reading some other forums about safes, it seems your name pops up a lot.(imagin that)

Imagine mechanics popping up in threads about car problems, pilots popping up into threads on aircraft, lawyers popping up into threads about the law, police popping up into threads about law enforcement.

It's a mystery.

From what I can tell, you bust into proud new owners threads and bash their safes with off color comments like, I can open that in 30 secs with a coat hanger or its Chinese, or its a simple Solenoid easily defeated by watching you tube. etc..on and on.. These are just few of your remarks made to proud new owners after they spent good money..Dude..Get a life..Quit trolling and trying to make people feel bad about their purchases. You do it all over the web and it's very petty..

Or it saves people money.

Oh, and you've already out salesman'd the salesman. I've never advertised a safe on any of these forums the way you have. Glad you're happy with your purchase.

 

[RN]

It's my thread! Your the the dude chiming in with unsolicited advice and rude comments, like you do all over the net..I did not ask for your advice..As a matter of fact, I didn't ask for ANY advice so keep your biased comment to yourself pal..I don't mind the backup key..I want it! Do you understand? This safe will keep all but the multitudes of safes techs and you tube inspired criminals out..That's what it's for and it will do that splendidly regardless of your opinions..

Now back to the one point I did try to make after you so rudely hyjacked my thread..I like the key backup and no, you can't pick it in 30 seconds but if I wanted, I can pick up the phone and have a UL listed lock sent to me and installed in 3 days with no backup key..Do you understand? UL, no key, on my safe, 3 days..What part don't you get? I choose not to but not because I am worried about you and your coat hanger..Its just not needed! Oh, and save your disingenuous service to the community..Your just advertising with a mean sprit..

If a thief makes it past my Alarm, My killer Mesa Safe, my dogs, and my Colt...I always have USAA and collectors insurance to pay me back for everything..So chill out and go bust on someone else thread...I know you know how...

The goal was to let fellow members know about an option that might work for them and you have sussessfully hyjacked and crushed that..Congrats...I am now bored with you as you are a negitive sprit and will ask the mod to close this thread before It gets really heated.. I wanT you to think about something since you claim to be only chiming in to help..Seriously..

What good did it do to reply to my post about having a smooth transaction and happy with my new safe by saying.." I could pick that with a coat hanger in 30 seconds" Humm? What service were you offering me? I had already bought the safe so what was that comment going to do for me? Make me feel bad? Make me feel stupid? It did neither but It was rude sir and that's unacceptable. But you knew that..Some people(you) just have to bash others decisions. And that sir is a major character flaw! Work on it and go away...

 

[a1abdj]

What service were you offering me?

Knowledge. Making you aware of something you obviously didn't know.

You seem awful worked up over something so silly. You ok?

 

[RN]

Again, you still seem to be missing the point. Let me ask you some simple questions old chap..For some reason, you just don't seem to understand that everyday crooks are not safe crackers..Again, the point of this safe is to keep someone out for 3 min and if you don't think it will perform that 99/100 times tell me why? Please don't give me the YouTube sales pitch. That's a bunch of bull. If I go to you tube right now and "learn" how to pick a double bited lock, I have no doubt that I can't pull it off in 3 min if ever..Becuase you are so fixated on high end safes, you are forgetting that not everyone has a need for those..Soo...

1. Are you trying to suggest that this safe is not a deterrent to children in the house?

2. Are you suggesting that most smash and grab crooks(remember, no one knows I have a safe) can just sit down, find the keyhole, and grab a coat hanger and pick this safes lock in less then 3 min?(ave police response time in my area) A buddy of mines house just got broken into and they could not even get into the filing cabinet in time before they ran off..

3. Are you suggesting that this is not a responsible solution for storing firearms as compard to a locked closet, gun cabinet, under the bed?

4. After explaining to you that I can put the optional UL dial lock(no key) on this safe, does it then get your approval? I understand that you keep saying that I can't but alas..u are wrong..I can and its an option from the factory with this safe..I can buy it right now..or I can put a s&g UL listed electronic lock on it..I opened up the back when I got home and it's not a problem..Spring relocker will work just fine as well..

 

[a1abdj]

For somebody who's seen my posts "all over the internet", you obviously didn't take the time to read them.

I believe all of your questions have been addressed by me multiple times, on multiple boards in the past.

 

[RN]

That's what I thought..It is a better solution to and will do everything I just listed and therefore suits my needs 100%..I don't need a bank vault so go prey on someone else..I'm sure someone somewhere has posted that they just bought a new safe and love it..You can go swoop right in bashing it...Oh, please post the all of the videos that the meth heads and children are learning how to pick double bitted locks from with coat hangers..Please...Bye bye now..

PS--What are you talking about...This is the first and hopefully last time we will ever speak..I have just seen you doing the same nonsense to others all over the net..I just called you on your bs.. That's it..

 

[RN]

Mods...Someone...Please put me out of my misery and kill this thread..I sent a request to have it killed awhile ago..

For others who are really interested in what I end up doing with this killer safe..I will post some more info after the LEDs, and dehumidifier get put in soon...I will also update on how many long guns total I squeezed in..Im even going to try and put in the Anscultz with a 36x sightron and the Kidd .22 Supergrade with a Bench Rest Nightforce in there....If all of those fit, (6 scoped long guns) I will be completely satisfied with this safe and its size..

 

[CodeSection]

Personally, you both have made your points. RN, thanks for the review. Obviously, the safe meets your needs.

This safe may not meet others needs. I believe a1 was trying to point out issues that may matter to others. Depending upon different manufacturers, many cheap safes can be opened with a long crow bar in two minutes. There are various videos on YouTube showing this.

Again, all that matters RN is that you are happy with your purchase. As for a1, I appreciate his intent to help educate.

For my situation, alarm, dogs, cameras...I own two Fort Knox safes. Some would argue Liberty or others offer more for the money. They may be right....but I don't get upset about it.

Life is just too short...

Good luck guys!

 

[Sam1911]

I would personally like to thank a1abdj for providing a vital service to our community. Great, positive "proud papa" new owner reviews are very cool. But without someone who really knows the industry and the products, inside and out (literally), to tell us "the rest of the story" a happy new owner's review of a product of this type can be highly misleading.

So we have here a view of RN, and a view of the needs he perceives he's meeting with his purchase, and we have his beliefs about how well his purchase meets those needs. That's very good info.

And we have an industry expert's more critical and FAR more educated counterpoints to some of those observations. That's also very good info.

We need both to get a full picture.

(RN, you posted this thread, but it doesn't belong to you. It is here at THR for its value to all members, and that means all credible and on-point input is welcome and desired. We do not exist, and this thread is not hosted on our forum, to be merely a cheering section applauding your purchase. If you're happy, that's good. We're glad you're happy. But our members read threads to get information, and the more information they can have -- positive and negative -- the better. So please do not ask that we close your thread or complain any more about what any member chooses to post here. If you've gotten all you want out of it, you're free to simply stop reading and posting in it. No worries.)

 

[rbernie]

Did I ask for his opinion? No..

Got it... Way to go, bro! Killer deal on a killer safe!

(Only it's not really a safe but a residential security container, and it may offer no more theft or fire protection than a $200 steel cabinet lag bolted to the wall/floor, but never mind all that - you're happy with it, so way to go, bro!)