Insurance, Life Expectancy and the Cost of Firearm Deaths in the U.S.

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From the Wharton School at the University of PA (http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/index.cfm?fa=printArticle&ID=1214):

Insurance, Life Expectancy and the Cost of Firearm Deaths in the U.S.

Published: June 15, 2005

Despite its status as an advanced industrial nation, the United States has some unusual characteristics. For example, while its health care system is the most expensive in the world, its citizens are neither healthier nor do they live longer than citizens in other countries. In addition, while the U.S. is considered among the safest countries, deaths from gunshot wounds are staggeringly high. In 2000, the U.S. recorded close to 11,000 firearm homicides and more than 16,000 firearm suicides. The European Union -- an area with a population approximately 25% higher than that of the U.S. -- reported fewer than 1,300 firearm homicides for the same year. In Japan, the number was 22. [The EU figures pre-date the 10-country expansion which took place on May 1, 2004.]

Jean Lemaire, a professor of insurance and actuarial science at Wharton, argues that these facts should be looked at in tandem. In a recent paper entitled, "The Cost of Firearm Deaths in the United States: Reduced Life Expectancies and Increased Insurance Costs," to be published in the September 2005 issue of The Journal of Risk and Insurance, Lemaire works through the medical and financial impact of firearms on American society. The results are eye opening.

Researchers who study firearm violence in the U.S. come at their subject from a number of perspectives, including the most obvious -- medical costs. Yet it is the other costs that are "more difficult to quantify," Lemaire writes. "They include the cost of public resources devoted to law enforcement, private investment by individuals in protection and avoidance, lost productivity of victims and changes in the quality of life, limits on freedoms to live or work in certain places, restrictions on residential and commercial location decisions, limitations in hours of operations of retail establishments, emotional costs to the forced adaptation to increased risk, and the cost of pain and fear."

Reduced Life Expectancy

The flashpoint in the long-running argument in the U.S. over the regulation of firearms is the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Gun control advocates read the amendment as permitting regulation of firearms possession; gun rights advocates read it as enshrining in law an individual's unfettered right to own guns.

While sensitive to the political context of the gun control versus gun rights debate, Lemaire stresses that what his work provides is data. For example, he cites a study from 2000 which estimates that the aggregate cost of gun violence in the U.S. is approximately $100 billion annually, or about $360 for every American. Given his background as an actuary, Lemaire has focused his research on life expectancy and insurance costs. His paper is based "on facts. It's an exact calculation designed to bring some more light into the debate.... I am providing figures that no one can disagree with," he says, acknowledging, however, that people "can certainly disagree about what we do with these figures."

Lemaire calculates how much time Americans lose off their lives as a result of gun violence and how much more they pay in insurance costs as a result. What is striking about both costs is how unevenly they are distributed throughout the population. According to Lemaire, all firearm deaths in 2000 -- that is, both homicides and suicides -- reduced life expectancy by an average of 103.6 days. Broken down by race and gender, however, there are notable gaps in how various groups fare. Men lose between five and six times more days than women: 166.8 versus 30.5. African-American men lose more than twice as many days as white men: 361.5 versus 150.7. The most significant gap, logically enough, combines these racial and gender differentials: There is more than a tenfold difference between days lost by African-American men (361.5) versus days lost by white women (31.1).

Lemaire calculates the annual insurance costs which can be ascribed to firearm-related deaths at billions of dollars. He cites statistics from a 2001 study by the American Council for Life Insurance which suggest that, at the end of 2000, there were 148 million group and 35 million individual term life insurance policies in force in the United States, as well as 125 million group and 8 million individual whole life policies, yielding a combined total annual premium income of just under $130 billion.

Having previously calculated the discounts for both term (9.87%) and whole life (1.89%) policies if firearm deaths were eliminated from the equation, Lemaire estimates that the annual insurance cost of firearm violence in the U.S. is $4.9 billion. However, "this calculation overstates costs," he writes, "as the mortality of insured lives markedly differs from population mortality." Lemaire goes on to note that since homicide disproportionately impacts the young, and since life insurance is rarely purchased by or for people under 25, the current actuarial tables already "discount" homicide simply by virtue of demographics.

Even paring the increased insurance costs down to compensate for those factors, he continues, they are probably still in the same general range as the estimated $2 billion to $2.3 billion in total annual medical costs for gun-related injuries or the increased cost of administering the criminal justice system due to gun deaths -- including incarceration costs -- estimated at some $2.4 billion.

To put things in an epidemiological context, Lemaire points out that "among all fatal injuries, only motor vehicle accidents have a stronger effect [than firearm deaths]." Further, the numbers show that "the elimination of all firearm deaths in the U.S. would increase the male life expectancy more than the total eradication of all colon and prostate cancers."

The Substitution Effect

One objection to the idea that reducing firearm deaths would increase life expectancy and reduce insurance costs is the argument that guns are simply a means to an end -- and that people who are intent on violence, either toward themselves or others, will find a way to achieve that objective with whatever tools are available. This is called the substitution effect. "I don't believe that Americans are necessarily more violent than the Japanese or the Europeans," Lemaire says, "and certainly the history of the 20th century shows a lot of violence in other countries. I don't think violence is in the genes of the American people."

Japan "certainly provided more than its share of violence in the 20th century," he continues, "but at the dawn of the 21st century, Japan is among the safest countries in the world: Zero guns in Japan means zero crimes. It bears mention that Japan also has an extremely low rate of thefts, burglaries, etc., a counterweight to the argument by pro-gun people that guns at home reduce burglaries."

He cites a number of studies which show that, in the area of homicides, there is little or no substitution effect. One such study done in 1988 contrasts Seattle, Wa., and Vancouver, British Columbia - two cities nearly identical in terms of climate, population, unemployment level, average income and other demographic characteristics. But as a result of far stricter gun laws in Canada he writes, only 12% of Vancouver's inhabitants own guns, compared to an estimated 41% of Seattle residents.

The study finds "that the two cities essentially experience the same rates of burglary, robbery, homicides and assaults without a gun," Lemaire writes. "However, in Seattle the rate of assault with a firearm is 7 times higher than in Vancouver, and the rate of homicide with a handgun is 4.8 times higher. The authors conclude that the availability of handguns in Seattle increases the assault and homicide rates with a gun, but does not decrease the crime rates without guns, and that restrictive handgun laws reduce the homicide rate in a community."

In the case of suicide, Lemaire notes, there is greater evidence of a substitution effect. "Reduced availability of one method," he writes, "may prompt an increase in other methods. Some despondent individuals contemplating suicide may attempt to take their life by another means if a firearm is unavailable. Indeed, in [places like] Japan and Hong Kong, suicide rates exceed the U.S. rate despite strictly limited access to firearms. Less than 1% of suicides in these countries are committed with a firearm ...." Lemaire goes on to say that "the introduction of assumptions that I believe are appropriate to estimate the substitution effect hardly change the number of days lost due to guns: from 103.6 to 95.8 for the average U.S. citizen."

Future Lines of Inquiry

Lemaire is not clear what use will be made of his data. Japan, he notes in his paper, has approximately 50 handguns, mostly the property of athletes who compete in international shooting competitions. The best estimate is that there are more than 250 million guns in America. It is extremely unlikely that the U.S. is going to move to confiscate guns, he says.

He does see potential opportunities, however, in the area of how insurance companies can better price, and perhaps more equitably distribute the cost of, the risks associated with guns. "There is some evidence," Lemaire says, "including evidence from the Penn School of Medicine, that just owning a gun significantly increases your chance of dying -- even when you control for variables like neighborhood, education, and so on."

He also sees room for further work in this area, both in academia and also within the insurance industry. One logical thread to pursue concerns the risk calculations that insurance companies make in pricing life insurance policies. Demographics and lifestyle choices are the bread and butter of those kinds of calculations, but -- given recent personal experience -- Lemaire is a bit puzzled by the questions asked of policy applicants. "I just applied for life insurance last week," he says. "I am a scuba diver. [The insurance company] asked me 25 questions about my scuba diving habits. This is a sport that kills 100 people annually worldwide. Nobody asked me whether I have a gun in my house, yet guns kill 30,000 people every year just in the U.S. It is bizarre that no one thought to ask that question."
 
Seems like specious reasoning,

as gang-bangers, drug dealers and the like:

1. Do not HAVE insurance;

2. Do not obey laws; and

3. Are expendable.

It's only the collateral damage from such scum that is worth quantifying. :scrutiny:
 
Anyone else notice they don't mention the number of lives saved?

Besides, I don't think the suicide part is very fair. If someone wants to kill themselves, they're going to do it somehow. Gun is just the best way to go.
 
...and that restrictive handgun laws reduce the homicide rate in a community.
DC and Chicago would tend to imply otherwise.
the elimination of all firearm deaths in the U.S. would increase the male life expectancy more than the total eradication of all colon and prostate cancers.
Or the elimination of gang-related deaths maybe? What a big waste of somebody's money this "study" was!

Rick
 
"I don't believe that Americans are necessarily more violent than the Japanese or the Europeans," Lemaire says, "and certainly the history of the 20th century shows a lot of violence in other countries. I don't think violence is in the genes of the American people."

That's where I disagree. I think violence is more pronounced in the US, for whatever reasons I can only speculate on. One article I read about the subject not too long ago compared New York to London back at the beginning of the 20th century, before either country had gun control. Even then New York murder rates were several times higher. After New York passed the Sullivan act and started cracking down, things stayed the same and London still had fewer murders. Then later on London began passing gun control laws. So you see, London has simply always been less 'murderous' than New York for whatever reason. Guns are not part of that equation.

Now if you can nearly eliminate guns in a controlled situation like the island of Japan, well crime and murder probably will go down. However Japanese culture is extremely different, everyone knows this. The guns are part of the American culture and history whether people like it or not, and they are here to stay. Better to combat our problems with statistically proven methods like CCW and higher rates of ownership, than to try and legislate them away and in effect only disarm the law-abiding.
 
I don't see the point of lumping suicides with murders. An increase or decrease in the number of suicide by gun doesn't affect my safety at all.

If there are two guys in a room, and one guy shoots himself, they're not both 50% dead, even though this is what an average will tell you.

This professor should suggest that police officers "add days to their lives" by going to work unarmed.
 
Researchers who study firearm violence in the U.S. come at their subject from a number of perspectives, including the most obvious -- medical costs. Yet it is the other costs that are "more difficult to quantify," Lemaire writes. "They include the cost of public resources devoted to law enforcement, private investment by individuals in protection and avoidance, lost productivity of victims and changes in the quality of life, limits on freedoms to live or work in certain places, restrictions on residential and commercial location decisions, limitations in hours of operations of retail establishments, emotional costs to the forced adaptation to increased risk, and the cost of pain and fear."

Yet is the costs of not having guns that are "more difficult to quantify," I write. These include the costs of public resources devoted to increased law enforcement required due to rising crime rate, private investment by individuals moving far away from the cities, lost productivity of victims of gang violence who can no longer safely walk home from work with a pistol in their purse, chnages in the quality of life because everyone doesn't want to go out much anymore, the loss of freedom to live in certain places because gun bans made them too dangerous, limitations in the hours of retail operations since without his shotgun Hassan down on the corner ain't opening his door for nobody after sundown, and emotional costs to the forced adaptation to increased risk, and the cost of pain and fear. :evil:

I'll give up 150 days of life to live the rest of it on my hind feet and not cowering in fear. This guy needs to find us one urban paradise that has gotten safer as a result of gun bans.

Particularly smelling of junk science is the comparison to Japan. Okay, take a homogenous society that really doesn't like violence and yearns for order and compare it to ours. Real good detective work there. Hey I know, we'll just nuke a few of our cities and we'll abhor violence too! :rolleyes: Same reason I don't like holding up Switzerland as a gun owning utopia, different country, no way to compare.

Neutral cover aside, this guy has a gigantic agenda.
 
I think I've mentioned this before, but the study's tainted with Joyce Foundation money.

A few months back, they trotted this "study" out in conjunction with CeaseFire PA (another Joyce Foundation funded animal) and presented it to the PA Governor's Select Commission on Firearms crime.


Fortunately, the commission basically told the gun bigots to go pound sand, and did not recommend any of the measures they wanted. :)


The problem is that this sort of thing isn't meant to be anything in and of itself, it's more along the lines of "laying a foundation" to stake future policy decisions on.

That, and monkeying with insurance is one of the strategies recommended by IANSA to reduce civilian ownership of arms.
 
Everyone knows you can twist stats to say pretty much anything you want them to. There are some things in his he didn't point out. Look at whom is most affected (of the very few groups he even looked at). That tells ya that the costs are related to crimes in which a gun was used, not guns in the hands of responsible owners(for the most part, I am sure he included good shoots in there where lives were actually saved as a result). Now look at the countries the US is compared to. I wonder how tough on crime they are compared to us...
 
Translating Socialist Speak: For the Everyman

Researchers who study firearm violence in the U.S. come at their subject from a number of perspectives, including the most obvious -- medical costs.
Having driven up medical costs through over-regulation, it only makes sense to use these inflated numbers to make the case for firearm regulation. No one in his right mind would think of blaming the criminal for these costs, rather than the inanimate object he used, that would be folly!

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Gun control advocates read the amendment as permitting regulation of firearms possession; gun rights advocates read it as enshrining in law an individual's unfettered right to own guns.
Since it is obvious that gun control advocates have the reading comprehension level of a kindergartner, we should take their opinions seriously.

Lemaire stresses that what his work provides is data.
Lemaire stresses that what his work provides is good propaganda, which the public, having been lobotamized by our public education system, will no doubt take at face value despite holes in logic a clever 5 year old could detect.

"I don't believe that Americans are necessarily more violent than the Japanese or the Europeans," Lemaire says, "and certainly the history of the 20th century shows a lot of violence in other countries. I don't think violence is in the genes of the American people."
Of course Americans aren't more violent than Japanese or Europeans. We never tried to commit genocide.

"There is some evidence," Lemaire says, "including evidence from the Penn School of Medicine, that just owning a gun significantly increases your chance of dying -- even when you control for variables like neighborhood, education, and so on."
My comrades have some propaganda which proves inanimate objects are capable of increasing your chances of death! It's true! Honest!

He also sees room for further work in this area, both in academia and also within the insurance industry.
The author wishes to encourage both his fellow socialists in the indoctrination camps, and the insurance industry to put out some more propaganda on this topic. As the public seems unwilling to surrender these absurd freedoms to which they attach a wholly absurd amount of value, largely due to an inability to perceive that every year they fail to live the state loses a year of their labor.

-Morgan
 
Numbers

I'd really like to see the raw data for this study. I've noticed a decided lack of data availability from most similar studies, and I haven't seen near enough counter studies from pro-gun sources (are there no statisticians who love guns? Advertising gurus? :confused: ). It seems to me we'd be well served to show the line between illegal firearms and legal ones in use -- since the idea is to keep them legal. Show data with income instead of just race/gender. I'm sure that low income areas are higher risk for violence than high income areas.


Even so, I'm still more than happy to accept the consequences of living armed over the ones that come from relinquishing the right of self-preservation. I'd rather die fighting than in a hospital bed. :mad:
 
I got off at the second sentence: "...while its [the US] health care system is the most expensive in the world...".

It may be to the individual, but other countries have subsidized thier health care systems. The closest example is Canada. Is there really a cost difference? It's well known that there is a service difference.
 
hasn't this been discussed here?

Anyway, most of his firearms stats come from studies done in the late 1980's and early 1990's - a very different period than today, where firearms ownership has increased and crime has decreased.

And if this "new idea" has any merit, I can guarantee-___-ing-tee you that the life insurance companies would have been all over it YEARS AGO, instead of asking about an applicant's motorcyle and scuba diving hobbies . . .
 
Does anyone here expect really anything different from a "researcher" at Wharton School?? :banghead:
 
Cost of life

How about how much did it cost for Hitler to take over France and EU. The only Free country that did not have a holocaust in EU was Switzerland. All males over 18 were required to have a gun and ammo with training. How much did it cost Russia and China with genocide with an unarmed population?
 
In addition, while the U.S. is considered among the safest countries, deaths from gunshot wounds are staggeringly high. In 2000, the U.S. recorded close to 11,000 firearm homicides and more than 16,000 firearm suicides. The European Union -- an area with a population approximately 25% higher than that of the U.S. -- reported fewer than 1,300 firearm homicides for the same year. In Japan, the number was 22. [The EU figures pre-date the 10-country expansion which took place on May 1, 2004.]


So in spite of all the guns deaths, the U.S. is still "among the safest countries."

And note that they don't mention foreign suicide rates. But then, if a suicide can't be blamed on a gun, it's not really a tragedy, is it?




"Guns in the Medical Literature: A Failure of Peer Review" (1994)
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As noted above, this "study" only looked at half of the cost-benefit analysis. The benefits are no harder to quantify. It's just that those interested in doing so are not so willing to pull data out of thin air as are the anti-gun "cost" analysers.
 
Let's these gun healthcare costs this guy cooks up were to suddenly, through legislation or whatever, were suddenly to go to zero. Does anyone actually believe that any prices would go down? When is the last time something like that happened? Or would the insurance companies just make more money...
 
Oh, and another thing: while millions or even billions of dollars is certainly a lot of money for an individual, or even community, when you talk about a country the size of the US, it's a different story. Tome Graves writes in S&P INDUSTRY SURVEYS that people in the US spent $5.7 billion on DVD rentals last year.
 
The numbers cited in the article are fairly accurate, and are easily available through the CDC and FBI websites. But when you look more closely at the demographic breakdown of the stats, you realize how seriously skewed the overall stats are. The simple fact is, far less than 6% of the US population is responsible for over 40% of gun homicides, and nearly half of gun homicide victims.
 
In addition, while the U.S. is considered among the safest countries, deaths from gunshot wounds are staggeringly high.
IOW, fewer people die, but more of them die from gunshot wounds than in other places. ummmm.... what part of "among the safest countries" do they not understand? And what percentage of those killed by gunshot wounds were in the commission of a violent crime and needed killing anyway? And what percentage of deaths do NOT occurr because of the guns in the hands of the people?

Idiots.
 
Numbers...

Wait a minute...
Zero guns in Japan means 22 deaths by firearms? :banghead:

230 million guns in America = 11,000 deaths...

I think the Death to Firearm ratio is definately more scewed to Japan having the most dangerous society .. .. :scrutiny: They can shoot you with guns that don't even exist! :eek:

Numbers for EU firearms? Anyone?

Seems like not only do we have more guns than they do, more gun owners in America abstain from killing people on a regular basis. Aren't statistics great :neener:
 
This study seems to have some major holes in it, as has been alluded by other posters:

1. the BENEFITS of firearms ownership CAN be quantified just as easily as the COSTS. John Lott has done some of this in his book "More Guns, Less Crime", as have others. This author is being disingenuous or lazy (or both) by not covering this aspect of the benefit/cost ratio.

2. his comparison of Vancouver and Seattle for firearms possession and homocide rates is pretty shallow. Lott did similar comparisons, and noted that the homocide rate for NON-FIREARMS is (IIRC) HIGHER in Vancouver than it is in Seattle. Thus, concluding that removing guns would automatically lower the homocide rate is false.

Lott is an economist first, and a gun-rights advocate second. His analysis of public ownership of firearms benefits and costs was from a economic perspective. It's too bad this Wharton study seems to be so much more shallow than Lott's work..................
 
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