Interesting CBS News Poll

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Oh, I did find one question a bit misleading. It asks if persons under the age of 18 should be allowed to own and operate firearms. Interesting wording since no one under 18 can legally "own" a firearm. I thought the wording might have skewed the results on that one.
 
Interesting; Was not aware that it was a federal law that someone under the age of 18 was prohibited from owning or operating handguns. Yep they really did their research as per the norm.
 
I think lawlessness and disorder will increase over the next decade, not because of guns but because of general moral decay. The decay is fueled by a number of things including drugs, lack of parental responsibility and other social issues.

Just my opinion, Lafitte
 
I guess I was about 17/18 and my Dad and I went to Camp Perry and I had saved my money and we went in and bought a Colt 357 4" barrel for my first hand gun. I must have run 10,000 rounds of handload ammo on it. I already had a target rifle.

All I will admit to was that was my first one and I have another inbound now.:)
 
I agree with the OP in that I find it interesting. Other than that, I find no socially significant conclusions to draw. In that, I mean I do not think there is a social policy to be concluded.
 
I think knife violence will increase. There seems to be an uptick of stabbings here in Seattle, however, since the news coverage of the "good Samaritan" shooting and killing a drug crazed, hatchet wielder at a local 7-11 store, I think there likely will be fewer hatchet attacks, at least for a while.
 
Keep in mind that this "poll" comes from CBS. As with most left wing news outlets, they only publish polls that promote their agenda. Even though gun ownership has skyrocketed over the past few years and gun violence has gone down, CBS prefers to promote the notion that most people believe gun violence will increase. They should ask themselves why do people have this fear, assuming the poll accurately reflects what people actually think.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
What is "gun violence?" Do guns climb out of the safe at night and roam the streets committing crimes?
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FYI.....

Gun Violence, definition of:

Gun violence is violence committed with the use of a gun (firearm or small arm). It may or may not be considered criminal. Criminal gun violence includes homicide (except when and where ruled justifiable), assault with a deadly weapon, and suicide, or attempted suicide, depending on jurisdiction.
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Not only does it have a definition, it is very real. Making jokes about it does not solve anything nor does it help the fight to preserve our 2nd Amendment rights. While one can expect to get away with it on a internet gun forum, it ain't gonna fly in the real world. Not only does the poll tell us that the majority of folks in America are afraid of Gun Violence increasing in the next decade, it shows us how we as gun owners are a minority. This means the majority of folks in this country that do not own firearms will probably have a major role in determining how my 2nd Amendment rights continue.....and that my friend, IMHO, is nuttin' to joke about.

As a gun owner, I acknowledge that Gun Violence exists and that it is a major problem in our country. One would have to be an idiot not to. While I do not think that any more restrictions on firearms or firearm ownership will significantly decrease it, there are other options that may(like better enforcement of laws already on the books, harsher penalties for committing crimes with the use of a gun and better communication and follow up of mental health issues). The promotion of those options seems to me to be a better option, both in effectiveness and the image we gun owners portray to others, than just laughing it off as a joke. If we as gun owners do not try to fix the problem, we are leaving it up to folks that do not own guns. Which would you prefer? Or should we just do nothing and let the trend of increasing Gun Violence continue?
 
Odd since the poll is completely counter to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports that have shown a steady DECREASE in all violence and in firearms related homicides since the early 90's. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1 The rate is half what it was then and continues and is expected to continue to decrease. If you look at the FBI table it shows a 16.8% decrease in the rate of murder from 2002 to 2011. So where does the idea that violence will increase if the facts gathered by the government show the opposite to be true? Perhaps it is the old adage that perception colors reality, or in simpler terms - the news media tells the public that they should be afraid in the face of the actual facts from the FBI?
 
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FYI.....



Not only does it have a definition, it is very real. Making jokes about it does not solve anything nor does it help the fight to preserve our 2nd Amendment rights. While one can expect to get away with it on a internet gun forum, it ain't gonna fly in the real world. Not only does the poll tell us that the majority of folks in America are afraid of Gun Violence increasing in the next decade, it shows us how we as gun owners are a minority. This means the majority of folks in this country that do not own firearms will probably have a major role in determining how my 2nd Amendment rights continue.....and that my friend, IMHO, is nuttin' to joke about.

As a gun owner, I acknowledge that Gun Violence exists and that it is a major problem in our country. One would have to be an idiot not to. While I do not think that any more restrictions on firearms or firearm ownership will significantly decrease it, there are other options that may(like better enforcement of laws already on the books, harsher penalties for committing crimes with the use of a gun and better communication and follow up of mental health issues). The promotion of those options seems to me to be a better option, both in effectiveness and the image we gun owners portray to others, than just laughing it off as a joke. If we as gun owners do not try to fix the problem, we are leaving it up to folks that do not own guns. Which would you prefer? Or should we just do nothing and let the trend of increasing Gun Violence continue?
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The honest and correct label is criminal misuse of a firearm and not "gun violence"!

Language can be a powerful thing, shaping perceptions and framing the terms of debate. They didn't use the words "gun control" a single time because it is too politically charged term for regulation/restriction and conjures images of confiscation. Instead, they spoke over and over about "gun violence".

Be advised that no such term exists for other forms of "armed violence" such as "Knife Violence" or "Bludgeoning Instrument Violence".

The terminology is the latest effort by gun-control advocates to get rid of the term "gun control" in the same way advocates for the rights of illegal aliens assiduously refer to them as "undocumented workers". These terms amount to Orwellian attempts at culture-shaping and to claim otherwise betrays your lack of sophistication and worldliness.
 
CBS poll? How much truth can you expect from a CBS poll? They believe Hitlery is innocent of any wrongdoing in the e-mail, mishandling of classified material, murder of 4 people in Benghazi among others that have crossed the Clinton`s. If the poll was on paper I could save some toilet paper tomorrow morning.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
Exactly right. Our enemies (and make no mistake about it, they ARE our enemies) seek to control our thoughts by imposing their own language on us.
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Why do I get the image of an ostrich with it's head in the sand, while wearing a tin foil hat on it's butt come into my head everytime I read this line?

yokel said:
The honest and correct label is criminal misuse of a firearm and not "gun violence"!

Language can be a powerful thing, shaping perceptions and framing the terms of debate. They didn't use the words "gun control" a single time because it is too politically charged term for regulation/restriction and conjures images of confiscation. Instead, they spoke over and over about "gun violence".

Be advised that no such term exists for other forms of "armed violence" such as "Knife Violence" or "Bludgeoning Instrument Violence".

The terminology is the latest effort by gun-control advocates to get rid of the term "gun control" in the same way advocates for the rights of illegal aliens assiduously refer to them as "undocumented workers". These terms amount to Orwellian attempts at culture-shaping and to claim otherwise betrays your lack of sophistication and worldliness.
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I doubt that anyone is as sophisticated or worldly as you. Still, it doesn't take much sophistication or worldliness to realize that the majority of folks in this country have an issue with so called "Gun Violence". Using subjective semantics to disclaim the value of a frequently used phrase is not going to make the problem it describes go away. This is my point, not the phrase.

hso said:
Odd since the poll is completely counter to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports that have shown a steady DECREASE in all violence and in firearms related homicides since the early 90's.
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Again, my point. To me this is part of what makes this poll "interesting". What statistics show and what folks believe, to a point, according to the poll, are complete opposites. But making jokes about the issue and screaming "there ain't no such thing!", is not how we change their minds, but still, it seems to be the brunt of what folks here want to use. While crime and firearm related homicides has decreased, gun related suicides has increased. If you read the definition of Gun Violence, it includes suicides. Not my definition, but the definition accepted by the majority of folks. Many of those folks are not anti-gun.

The recent rash of LEO shootings has folks concerned about Firearm related violence. I know I'm concerned about it. While I don't think that more laws and firearm restrictions will diminish it any, I still realize there is a problem and LEOs face a big risk from a firearm attack. My issue is folks denying there is a problem at all and the futile attempts they make to distract from the problem with the jokes and the arguments over semantics. Kinda like the 4 year old kid with his hands over his ears screaming Na-Na-Na-Na-Na when he doesn't want to hear something. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. It only means someone else will take care of it. As I said before, do we really want the antis to take care of it on their own, or do we want a say it it?
 
Originally posted by Buck460XVR
Why do I get the image of an ostrich with it's head in the sand, while wearing a tin foil hat on it's butt come into my head everytime I read this line?
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Probably because you're looking in the mirror.

You let the opposition define the terms, control the language you use, and somehow think you can defeat them.
 
buck460XVR said:
I doubt that anyone is as sophisticated or worldly as you. Still, it doesn't take much sophistication or worldliness to realize that the majority of folks in this country have an issue with so called "Gun Violence". Using subjective semantics to disclaim the value of a frequently used phrase is not going to make the problem it describes go away. This is my point, not the phrase.
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They say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and the least genuine mode of communication.

Whenever someone around me adopts a sarcastic tone I immediately try to gauge what they are feeling insecure about.

Proponents of gun bans substitute things for people, but this approach won’t wash. It is the human moral will that saves us from violence, not the presence or absence of weapons. We should reject utterly the absurd notion that guns are the cause of violence.

Anyone who is serious about controlling violence must recognize that it can only be done by rooting violence out of the human heart. We must somehow recapture the noble view of humans as capable of moral responsibility, and self-restraint. Purify the heart and we will not have to worry about the misuse of weapons.
 
What are today's crime statistics?
2015/16 is not 2011, I do believe we are probably in an upswing of violent crime.
I don't think 90 million under employed is insignificant if one understands who makes up some of that number.
 
Originally posted by X-Rap

What are today's crime statistics?
2015/16 is not 2011, I do believe we are probably in an upswing of violent crime.
I don't think 90 million under employed is insignificant if one understands who makes up some of that number.
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Much of the uptick in crime is due to the phony outrage created by the current Administration in response to things like the shooting in Ferguson, MO.
 
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