Interesting Investigation of Chicago Homicides (Perps & Victims)

[barnbwt]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/01/robert-farago/chicago-killers-arrest-records-revealed/

Rather enlightening look at the backgrounds of those comprising the high rate of murders in that city, especially from a gun control standpoint. The study link is currently down, so I linked the TTAG article that mentioned it. As always, I'm most interested to see whether 'homicide' includes suicide. For once, this is one gun violence study that would be correct to include lawful homicide in the data, since it is informative to know the rate of criminal history of those felled lawfully.

"Around 80 percent of Chicago’s homicide victims in 2015 and 2016 had at least one prior arrest, almost 40 percent had a prior violent crime arrest, and almost 30 percent had a prior gun arrest."
"The average person arrested for a homicide or shooting in both years had nearly 12 prior arrests, with almost 45 percent having had more than 10 prior arrests, and almost 20 percent having had more than 20 prior arrests."

The long and the short of it is that multiple/violent prior offenses and gang affiliation are far, far, far more obvious indicators of a propensity to being involved in homicide (perpetrator or victim) than prior gun crime. This suggests either the gun crime figures are artificially lowered (unlikely, as they track arrests, not convictions, here, so DA reindeer games don't factor in) or gun incidents are *not* the primary factor leading these people to a life of ruin. Rather, crime of other sorts precedes at least a quarter of those picked up for violent crimes who then go on to be killed, despite firearms still being easily accessible (if illegal). And despite these painfully obvious figures, Chicago maintains a notorious revolving door criminal justice system (nearly 1 in 5 homicide victims have been arrested over 20 times, for crying out loud), and does little to deny resources to organized crime.

The result is a bloodless execution ground for disposing of hardened criminals extradjudicially (the death rate is nowhere near that high in prison), with enormous collateral damage reaped by the community. All the while, this sordid cauldron is held out by leaders as justification for diverting huge sums of federal and state tax revenues into assistance programs administered by local officials, as well as ultimately fueling the organized crime driving the violence & going unpunished. A truly symbiotic relationship for the laundering of tax money to drug cartels.

Federal aid (money in) -> local charity/government distribution programs -> black market economy (money out) -> violent crime rate -> federal aid (repeat ad infinitum)

TCB

 

[Tirod]

Crims gonna crim.

 

[Kingcreek]

Parts of Chicago are gangland. Last I heard as many as 70 different gangs currently fighting each other for turf, vendettas, or just for sport. The gangs have been accepted and even courted by some of the politicos. the funds supposed to fight crime are passed thru so many sticky hands that everybody involved gets some but nothing changes. It's the Chicago way.

 

[rule303]

Until the ruling class in Chicago accepts that this is a software problem and not a hardware problem, nothing will change. As the saying goes, garbage in, garbage out. If every firearm in Chicago were somehow removed there would still be violent gangs of thugs fighting over drugs, turf, prostitution, and cash. The only answer is tougher penalties for the perpetrators. Nobody who has been arrested 20 times should be walking the street, period.

 

[stchman]

Nope, the answer is MORE gun control and MORE gun laws. It's obvious that they haven't legislated enough as you can legislate criminals to become honest citizens.

 

[macgrumpy]

Nope, the answer is MORE gun control and MORE gun laws. It's obvious that they haven't legislated enough as you can legislate criminals to become honest citizens.

Correct, we all know that it's not the shooter's fault, it's society's fault. If we would make these people CEO of a major corporation then poverty wouldn't force them to shoot other poor, disadvantaged, innocent, children.

For those without a sense of frustration, that was all just a little sarcastic.

 

[22-rimfire]

And we all know that guns shoot on their own indiscriminately.....

Interesting statements about prior arrests and gang influence to the crime rate in parts of Chicago. The answer may be some very strict enforcement and prison time. I always believed this even before the study. The frisk thing by law enforcement may be "unconstitutional" but unless they want to get to the criminals/perps before they commit the crimes, that is about all they can do other than simply make sure the regular arrests are prosecuted to the full extent of the law and the slow attrition of would be criminals.

Simple gun laws will mostly impact the honest citizen and not the criminal element. I know from my personal experience in my area, that if somebody wants a gun, they have it. And the criminals do not wander into a gun shop and drop $1000 on a new toy that they will use for street crime.

 

[Kingcreek]

Strict enforcement and sentencing won't happen with the current crop of politicos (D) in power because everything is racial. Can't lock up the minority gang bangers even though Chicagos most violent neighborhood is 97% black and most of the violence is black on black. And it's not just one minority either. The gangs and the leftist politicians have a sort of symbiotic relationship.
I feel sorry for the few good people stuck in those gangland war zone neighborhoods. Blame the cook county political power structure with rahm Emanuel at the top.

 

[Aim1]

O'Reilly said that stats stated that whites contributed for only 5% of the homicides in Chicago. No one wants to admit that we need to tackle black on black crime to solve the homicide rate in Chicago. They'd rather focus on 1 or 2 police shootings a year.

 

[Deanimator]

The "crime" problem in Chicago is a GANG problem.

Of course since both the politicians and the police are in bed with the gangs, the odds of anything serious being done to curtail the gang problem are about as high as there are of there being a stand at the next Hajj selling chitlin's and Old English 800.

 

[Kingcreek]

The Chicago street police don't side w the gangs but the police administration is all politics all the time and act in thier own best interests.

 

[Dog Soldier]

I have never lived in Chicago or any Big city. The largest towns around here are Prairie dog towns. It seems they have lots of shootings out there.
It appears to me that the Street and Drug gangs provide a thriving underground economy for the ghettos. I never see Minority leaders marching or demanding and end to this crime. I never see them marching for more jobs. I do see them voting for Liberals who look the other way.

 

[macgrumpy]

Most try to make the case that unemployment is the problem but it's hard to find employment when you can't speak common English (I'm referring to the modern glorification of ghetto talk and txtese) and you wear huge ear gauges, have blue hair, have nose rings, have face tats, wear your underwear hanging out, etc. Getting a job when you look like an escaped insane asylum resident is pretty tough. Besides, there are lots of poor people in the world that aren't running around killing their neighbors - it's not poverty - it's attitude.

When you tell a group that they are special, that because of their skin color they are allowed to do things that others can't do, or that they can get away with things that others can't, then you get a group of people that pretty much do what ever they want because they feel no obligation to follow the rules that everyone else follows. When you have a President and the Dept. of Justice that tell the police that they are being discriminatory when they stop a guy that looks like a local gangbanger for questioning and a pat down then the police will quit stopping gangbangers and the gangbangers know that they can do what ever they want with virtual impunity. That's why statistics show that most of the shooters have been arrested as many as 20 times before they were incarcerated for the first time.

The increase in criminal activity in Chicago is a perfect example of the effect that the privileged class has on the common people. The privileged sit in their safe little bubbles making social decisions based on the bias they learned from their progressive Ivy League college professors without any real life experience of how those decisions play out in the real world. They don't understand that there really are bad people that deserve nothing more than to have been drowned when they were born. Nothing will stop bad people from being bad other than a good person ending their sorry existence. Most criminals are antisocial narcissists that really don't believe that what they do is bad, they always justify the bad things that they do by telling you that they did it to help you (I took your money so that I could save your soul from having to deal with greed). Until you teach them a different mental process, through punishment, they will never change the way they think and do things.

We have the same kind of animals in the ivory towers of social power; Obama, the Clintons, Soros, etc., they all justify the bad things that they do by claiming that it's helping us (Obamacare?). Personally I don't think that the crime problem will be solved because the criminals in the ivory towers of power benefit from the criminals on the street. Having crime demands that you have somebody in place to decide how to fight crime and that guarantees that social activists like Rahm Emanuel will always have a job. It's a self-fulfilling process, the activist creates the problem and then tells us that he has the answer to the problem, as long as the problem exists the activist stays in power.

 

[Squire Western]

Chicago is quite a way down the list of most violent cities. It has 2.7 million people within the city limits. So it gets a bad rap. The MSM is not very good at math..

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[mokin]

Interesting article. It seems like I read something like that many years ago (probably while the Clintons were crusading against guns back in the 90s), but the numbers were much lower. The idea that someone could be arrested 20 times is crazy. That's definitely a sign something is wrong!

Now that Chicago is a self described "Sanctuary City" and with the President Elect saying he'll cut off funds it'll be interesting to watch.

 

[macgrumpy]

Chicago is quite a way down the list of most violent cities. It has 2.7 million people within the city limits. So it gets a bad rap. The MSM is not very good at math..

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Per capita reports don't reflect the real world very well and doing a 5 year average just helps reduce the evidence of the recent increase in Chicago crime. Telling someone that Chicago had 4379 people shot with 797 murders in 2016 has a greater impact than saying that over a 5 year period they averaged 18.4 murders per 100,000 people. Interesting point, Detroit, shown as having the highest 5 year per capita rate, had 302 murders in 2016 vs Chicago's 797 murders, so saying that Chicago is better is sort of silly to my way of thinking. Maybe you can make me feel better by saying that you're safe in Chicago as long as you don't go in to the five worst areas of town but that's like telling me that there is a safe place to go in Aleppo, who really cares, there's still a war going on. This kind of graphic is just propaganda that is designed to reduce the impact of the severity of the problem, I guess they are worried about tourism more than people dying.

The whole point of the original report, the OP posted, was the increase in crime from 2015 to 2016, they mention that this was an unprecedented increase and the point of the related articles is that they can't explain, statistically, why the crime rate jumped almost 50% in one year.

 

[Dog Soldier]

It seems the reason for Chicago being singled out is it's Mayor. Emanuel and his staff was voted in to save and improve Black lives and there conditions. This is what the Mayor and Obama promised.
This is an example of campaign promises and no follow through.

 

[TomJ]

Proactive stops by police were down 90% in 2016. When you have an administration that demonizes police officers, the most prevalent current "civil rights" group calling for the murder of police and police officers trying to do their jobs being greeted by people harassing and video taping them, you put them in the position of getting out of their cars only when necessary, such as when responding to 911 calls. I don't blame them, and I wouldn't get out of my car unless neessary either. The anti's then use these increased shootings to push for more gun control as opposed to helping the people, most of who are good people, who are stuck in these areas. It makes you wonder how these anti's live with themselves.

http://lawofficer.com/news/chicago-police-stops-down-90/

 

[Deanimator]

The Chicago street police don't side w the gangs but the police administration is all politics all the time and act in thier own best interests.

There are Chicago "street police" who are gang MEMBERS.

Google the name Miedzianowski.

The Chicago PD's been dirty since long before my grandmother trained as an ambulance driver for WWI.

 

[Deanimator]

I never see Minority leaders marching or demanding and end to this crime. I never see them marching for more jobs. I do see them voting for Liberals who look the other way.

What you WILL see is them courting the gangs and using them as political foot soldiers in their political campaigns.

Why on earth would they want to attack those keeping them in lucrative positions of power and influence?

 

[Deanimator]

It seems the reason for Chicago being singled out is it's Mayor. Emanuel and his staff was voted in to save and improve Black lives and there conditions. This is what the Mayor and Obama promised.
This is an example of campaign promises and no follow through.

Like Daley before him, Emmanuel had no such intentions. Like every other Chicago politician, he was there to cash in.

 

[Deanimator]

Proactive stops by police were down 90% in 2016. When you have an administration that demonizes police officers, the most prevalent current "civil rights" group calling for the murder of police and police officers trying to do their jobs being greeted by people harassing and video taping them, you put them in the position of getting out of their cars only when necessary, such as when responding to 911 calls. I don't blame them, and I wouldn't get out of my car unless neessary either. The anti's then use these increased shootings to push for more gun control as opposed to helping the people, most of who are good people, who are stuck in these areas. It makes you wonder how these anti's live with themselves.

http://lawofficer.com/news/chicago-police-stops-down-90/

Don't whitewash the Chicago PD. They're every bit as corrupt as the politicians. Google "Miedzianowski", "Jerome Finnegan" and "SOS" to see what's REALLY going on.

The Chicago PD as it's existed for 100+ years is no more likely (or inclined) to "clean up" Chicago than the Tijuana PD is to clean up that town.

 

[Squire Western]

Per capita reports don't reflect the real world very well and doing a 5 year average just helps reduce the evidence of the recent increase in Chicago crime. Telling someone that Chicago had 4379 people shot with 797 murders in 2016 has a greater impact than saying that over a 5 year period they averaged 18.4 murders per 100,000 people. Interesting point, Detroit, shown as having the highest 5 year per capita rate, had 302 murders in 2016 vs Chicago's 797 murders, so saying that Chicago is better is sort of silly to my way of thinking. Maybe you can make me feel better by saying that you're safe in Chicago as long as you don't go in to the five worst areas of town but that's like telling me that there is a safe place to go in Aleppo, who really cares, there's still a war going on. This kind of graphic is just propaganda that is designed to reduce the impact of the severity of the problem, I guess they are worried about tourism more than people dying.

The whole point of the original report, the OP posted, was the increase in crime from 2015 to 2016, they mention that this was an unprecedented increase and the point of the related articles is that they can't explain, statistically, why the crime rate jumped almost 50% in one year.

Sorry you didn't care for the graph, Grumpy. You are in the minority. Chicago rocks. And has 4 times Detroit's population. So It's not a silly comparison.Do the math. Detroit is almost 3 times more violent homicide wise.

 

[Robert]

While the ongoing call for gun control would be on topic for THR, crime, policing, politics and gangs are not. We are gone too far afield into topics that are simply outside our focus.