Article: A Call for Black Vigilantism

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Kludge is hitting on a truth that is embedded in our Founding Documents.

The essence of the thing is that We The People _delegate_ certain powers to government, and if they are not used, those powers, "incapable of anhilihation", return to the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
 
So when the government comes to collect your guns and your neighbors not home, are you going to tell the ATF that he has a nice little collection?
No, but switch the words 'ATF' for "Sheriff's dept." and 'guns' for 'Meth' and you're darn right I'd snitch. I don't care what color or nationality he is.

Of course, I have a means to protect myself from retribution. If I lived in Chcago or DC and couldn't own a gun for self defense, much less CCW, it would be a much tougher decision as to whether I'd risk my life like that.
 
Preventing crime on your own property is in no way "taking the law into your own hands."

And "taking the law into your own hands" is not the definition of vigilantism.
Think about that phrase for a minute: "taking the law into your own hands."

Roll it around in your brain. Get past the initial knee jerk reaction. What does that actually mean?



To me it means enforcing law, not making judgment.
 
It's done elsewhere, why not in Philly?

Because the mentality in Philly is that the black community as a whole is a helpless victim. Period. From the 8 year old girl in the picture, right up to Mayor Street, the prevailing mindset is that blacks are victims, and in no way responsible for the crime in their midst. Bill Cosby has tried pointing out the fallacy of this belief many times, only to be met with disdain and condemnation from such great "black leaders" as Jesse uh-Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Their solutions include:
- Don't snitch. You're one of us, right?
- It's all those people living in the suburbs who allow criminals to steal guns from their homes that are at fault, not the 17 year-old "child" shooting a rival dealer on the basketball court.
- We need more afterschool programs. The government has let us down by not stepping in and raising our children all day, everyday.
- Do you have any idea how many firearms permits have been issued to Philly's citizens? We need to stop arming everyone! Because once gun ownership is illegal, there won't be any guns, and then there won't be any gun crime. Nevermind that those involved in shootings are in possesion of firearms illegally under current laws, we need even more laws. What's most important is disarming everyone. (pay no attention to the stabbing deaths or fatal beatings our city has logged this year)

Philly's Black leaders get elected on these principals every time. The black community doesn't want to be told they're at fault, or be required to fix the problem themselves. If you think the nationwide percentages on black crime and population make-up are revealing, there was an article posted on THR just a week or two ago that cited even higher black-on-black averages for Philly.

P.S - I'll turn in my WWII vet neighbor for owning a Thompson when he starts dealing crack to my kids and shooting my neighbors.
 
None of Us, Is as Strong as All of Us.

Good conversation, I’m just nodding my head and lurking in the background. Was in Philly recently and was talking to friend there yesterday about the ground truth and all that is happening. The solutions I have heard have been the typical “business as usual, blame game, buyback, crazy legislation proposals, etc. Will try to find Dr. Williams for a chit chat. And if fortunate, get him on my show. Thanks Fletcher for starting things off on this one.


None of Us, Is as Strong as All of Us.
--Ashanti proverb
 
Dr. Williams has been championing Black opportunism for years. Overall, his comments and beliefs are right on the mark from my perspective. I have listened to him numorous times when he has guest hosted Rush's show and watched his show. He calls them the way he sees them. Fletcher said:

That was the only real problem I had with the article was the inclusion of race as part of the issue. As for the latter, the government is always saying they're going to protect you from everything (until something bad happens), then it's "we're not responsible".

Personally, I believe that race is part of the problem, but only to the extent that the problem began due to poverty, an engrained belief of the lack of opportunity for them, and the expectation that the govenment will provide for them (including protection).

It is all about "entitlements" and many of these people believe they are entitled. Why do you think reparations was popular with the Jessie Jackson crowd? Free money that you don't have to work for...

None of those things should prevent people from studying at school, working hard, and trying to better themselves or their families by lawful means. America is truly the land of opportunity. Many of these people just don't believe it. Other minorities DO and are quite successful in the long run. Dr. Williams talks about this often.

True vigilantism may cause just as big a problem and the perps can get into trouble for doing what they believe is right. I suspect you would see some changes in these neighborhoods though. Self defense is a God given right as far as I'm concerned regardless of where you are physically located.
 
I don't see where roving bands of Muslim vigilantes is a drastic improvement over typical street thugs. There are other ways to take back a neighborhood.
 
I don't see where roving bands of Muslim vigilantes is a drastic improvement over typical street thugs. There are other ways to take back a neighborhood.

Would it matter if they were Jews, Christians, or Buddhists doing the same? The police have failed them. That's about the only way to take back your neighborhood.
 
Does not matter what flavor these people are as long as they play by the rules. First rule: Self Protection. Second rule: Abide by the law of the land. A little backbone with law abiding people would go a long way. You can't always expect others to do the job. Sometimes you have to get your hands dirty. Catch the criminals and hold them for police. Be willing to testify in court.
 
Walter Williams. I remember him from the '80s when his column appeared in PORAC news. Good then, good now.
 
We have had a series of unsolved shootings here in Buffalo, that the local police strongly believe correlates to the "Stop Snitchin'" trend.

I always suspected that its probably because the goal is retaliation, and "thugs" dont see legitimate legal justice as sufficient. This is an erroneous justification of revenge homicide, IMHO.

In theory, vigilante justice appeals; note the many movies and television shows supporting this very theme. In practice, however, the rule of law and due process is a comforting and desperately necessary to our civil rights.
 
That was a column by Walter Williams, one of the better, most consertative columnists, who happens to be black. He is a professor of economics.
 
He was on for Rush today, and this was the first thing he talked about. I would have posted a heads up, but I was driving.
 
Example: A number of years ago, black Muslims began to patrol Mayfair, a drug-infested, gang-ridden Washington, D.C., housing project. The gangs and drug lords left, probably because the black Muslims didn't feel obliged to issue Miranda warnings. Black men should set up neighborhood patrols, armed if necessary, and if politicians and police don't like it, they should do their jobs. No one should have to live in daily fear for their lives and safety.
While that sounds good, I'm going to go out on a limb to say that most likely the majority of cities already have CPWs (Citizen Patrol Watch) in place and I'll bet they are similar to ours. Problem with ours, and more than likely most, is that there are no weapons allowed, CPL or not. I've volunteered in the past and been asked why I don't join permanently. The answer is always the same, "Because you want me disarmed, and as a CPL holder, I'm certainly not going to handicap myself unecessarily. Until you remove that silly rule, I'll stay in the backround."
 
Going to keep this on-topic with some relevant "necromancy":

It looks like the Philly police chief has called for black men to patrol the streets:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070914/ap_on_re_us/philadelphia_violence

By MARYCLAIRE DALE, Associated Press Writer
Fri Sep 14, 6:24 AM ET



PHILADELPHIA - The city's embattled police chief, acknowledging that police alone cannot quell a run of deadly violence, has called on 10,000 black men to patrol the streets to reduce crime.

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Sylvester Johnson, who is black, says black men have a duty to protect more vulnerable residents. He wants each volunteer to pledge to work three hours a day for at least 90 days.

"It's time for African-American men to stand up," Johnson told the Philadelphia Daily News, which first reported the story Wednesday. "We have an obligation to protect our women, our children and our elderly. We're going to put men on the street. We're going to train them in conflict resolution."

The program's backers include Dennis Muhammad, a former Nation of Islam official who has been hired by police departments in Detroit, Syracuse, N.Y., and other cities to conduct community-sensitivity training.

Philadelphia, the nation's sixth-largest city, has nearly 1.5 million residents, 44 percent of them black. It has notched 294 homicides this year. More than 80 percent of the slayings involve handguns, and most involve young black males.

Johnson plans to introduce the "Call to Action: 10,000 Men, It's a New Day" program on Oct. 21, three months before his planned retirement.

"He won't get anywhere near that number. If he gets 1,000 people, it will be great," said Heather DeRussy, who leads a local Guardian Angels chapter that has recruited just seven members in the past two years. Given its size, the group focuses on a single north Philadelphia park plagued by prostitution and drug use.

DeRussy lauded Johnson for his effort but said she fears the volunteers will find it dangerous to patrol their home turf.

"In their own neighborhoods, with the 'Don't snitch' mentality, they're kind of putting themselves in harm's way, because there are going to be people who disagree with what they're doing," DeRussy said.

The men who join Johnson's program will not carry weapons or make arrests but will instead emphasize conflict resolution, similar to the Guardian Angels' ground rules.

Police in other cities have hired Muhammad in recent years to provide sensitivity training to officers and community members, but it was not immediately clear whether any have deployed a volunteer patrol force.

Johnson, who had led the police department for seven years, appears increasingly frustrated by the daily gun violence. He and other city leaders have blamed the Legislature for not passing gun-control measures.

Mayor John F. Street, whose term is up at the beginning of 2008, has voiced support for the program, but it was not clear whether he would become involved. His office did not return a call for comment Thursday, nor did Johnson's office.

Street and Johnson have both endured withering criticism from frustrated residents and community leaders who say they should do more to halt the violence.

One gun-violence researcher said the idea of putting citizens on patrol had the potential to show children that adults care.

"A steady exposure to violence just creates this toxic environment for children and youth. As adults, we don't want them to think they have to handle it on their own," said Rose Cheney, executive director of the Firearm and Injury Center at the University of Pennsylvania.

"If, by putting people out there — not just as a town watch, but as resources who connect them to what they need from adults — that can be very promising," she said.

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On the Net:

http://www.10000menphilly.com/

While I still agree that patrolling is a great idea, why didn't he just call upon all men to do it, and not just blacks?
 
Some agreement, some disagreement.

I agree in theory with him singling out blacks in this article because he's refering specifically to the crime in black neighborhoods. If he were refering to crime in general, I'd be taken aback by mentioning only blacks. He didn't, so I'm not. If he were referencing crime in Wyoming, I expect him to single out whites.

The "No Snitching" comparison made by Tecumseh is not accurate. Comparison of a legal activity (contravention of the Constitution notwithstanding) and aiding and abbetting an illegal activity is a false analogy.

Personally, I feel that neighborhood watches, armed or not, are a good idea. If residents have no stake in their own community, why should police feel any different? They're supposed to take the risks when we're too lazy to make a phone call or chase the riff-raff out of our driveways?
 
While I still agree that patrolling is a great idea, why didn't he just call upon all men to do it, and not just blacks?




Blacks specifically SHOULD be called on to address the crime. After all, they are the ones that are causing all of it.




Did that make you mad? Did the term "Racist!" jump into you mind over what I wrote?

Good. I was hoping it would.



I hope that it illustrates why some--like me-- object to a call for "Black Vigilantism." (and no-- I do not believe all crime it the fault of one demographic group-- that was for illustration purposes)


I am utterly SICK of our society's use of racial demographics. Sure, there are racial differences. There are cultural differences among different groups as well. Hell, there are cultural differences between people of the same race from different geographic areas.

But that does not change the discourse. A call should be made for ALL lawful minded people to insure their safety and that of those they care about regardless of RACE, SEX, CULTURE, or CREED.

The demographics are irrelevant-- except for when you are looking to get attention or a special pass for your comments. By a special pass, I mean that many are more willing to accept a controversial topic if you tag it onto a specific demographic. Think about it. A call to Vigilantism has to be discussed on its own merit. Saddle that with a racial component, and it adds a layer to the discussion. We've seen this with countless demographic uses-- not just racial. Often people (and the media) are concerned with appearing insensitive or un-PC if the attack an idea attached to one of these demographic components. Oh, there will be those that rightfully address the real issue, but those comments never seem to have "legs" in the media.


-- John
 
The men who join Johnson's program will not carry weapons or make arrests but will instead emphasize conflict resolution, similar to the Guardian Angels' ground rules.

And they wonder why they won't get 10,000 volunteers.... :rolleyes:

I'm not offended by Williams' statements being focused on a black audience...truth is truth no matter what color it is. Bill Cosby was speaking to black parents about responsibility, but it's a message ALL parents need to hear.

"Vigilantism" is a good word that has been corrupted and demonized by our liberal PC society...just like "prejudice", "weapon", and "white man".... :banghead:
 
While I still agree that patrolling is a great idea, why didn't he just call upon all men to do it, and not just blacks?

Statistically it is blacks, in black neighborhoods that are both predator and victim. That's the whole point. The call to action, aimed at black men, isn't racist at all. If white men show up in a black neighborhood to protect the women, children and elderly, civil war would erupt. Talk about accusations of racism!??

Now, in neighborhoods where crime is at a lower level, neighborhood watches, are effective by reporting things that appear out of place. The police then can respond as they should. More violent areas need a more aggressive approach, entailing higher visibility and more "in your face" tactics. These folks should be prepared to protect themselves from teh thugs they are trying to root out.

So statistically speaking, the call for black men to get involved is most appropriate. I will concede that the make up of these groups should be a reflection of the neighborhood.
 
People are confusing race with culture and behaviour.

A black guy in a suit garners far more respect from me than a white guy with jeans four sizes too big and his Joe Boxers showing.
 
A couple of observations

IMHO, anybody who carries a cell phone ought to consider himself a "citizen on patrol" at all times. That goes double if you carry a cell phone and a gun.

On Williams addressing his remarks to the Black community:

Both Walter Williams and Bill Cosby, among others, have addressed critical remarks to the black community because there is a special problem there. There is an element of "black culture" that is so poisonous, so negative and detrimental to the people involved and the WHOLE community, that it's completely unprecedented. Never before has any minority embraced its worst, most reprehensible and criminal members as an ideal to be admired and imitated. This is a new thing.

"Gangsta Rappers" are heroes? Retaliation against witnesses in murder or drug trials is to be celebrated in songs and applauded? Refusal to cooperate with police in ANY manner is advised, and even actively enforced (and then the police are blamed for high crime rates)? Pimps and drug dealers are lionized and imitated?

Please. Could a more poisonous and dangerous atmosphere even be imagined?

Try to imagine Asian-Americans idolizing their own street thugs, or Latino Americans singing the praises of MS-13. For that matter, try to imagine Jewish Americans admiring the slumlords and Shylocks that have shamed our people and given us a bad name for so long. Or Italian-Americans cheering references to the Mafia. It ain't happenin'.

It would be racist to claim that this dreadful subculture affected blacks only; it doesn't. But it is NOT racist to say that it affects the black community disproportionately, or that it contributes to the high rate of violent crime in that community and the difficulty of enforcing the law there. Williams and Cosby (and others) have commented on this crisis, and a crisis it is.

And, on that note, a word about Black Muslims (that may be surprising, since I am a Jew): this isn't the same bunch that's blowing up airports and preaching Jihad against the West. They're entirely separate, and have nothing to do with any of that. Their main "thing", from what I've seen, seems to be teaching responsibility and self-reliance. I had a number of Nation of Islam students when I was a teacher: they did not participate in the "thugs are cool" aspects of current black culture; not at all. They were unfailingly respectful (and they knew I was Jewish), worked hard, and stayed our of trouble, whereas many other kids who had bought into the "hip-hop" culture--black AND white--celebrated disrespect and defiance for their own sake as ideals to be admired, and considered getting in trouble at school (or going to prison, for that matter) a badge of honor. Many of my male Black Muslim students wore a coat and tie to school every day--and you just don't see that in middle school. The values and ideals taught by the Nation of Islam are, by and large, good things for the Black community and for the country. Other than the schools and the Church, there are few enough such influences there these days.

All that said, of COURSE I take exception to the literally insane anti-Semitism preached by Louis Farrakhan and his cronies. It's larded with lies, distortions, and old-fashioned Nazi-style hatred. I must add, though, that from conversations with my students and their parents, that many, if not most, Black Muslims discount most of that nonsense and concentrate on the teachings about responsibility and respect. I hope that's true.

In any case, I'd be a lot more comfortable with Black Muslims on armed patrol in my neighborhood than with men wearing sagging pants, "Snitches Get Stitches" T-shirts, and ropes of silver chains. Such a group would probably be more inclined to protect the pimps and drug dealers from the police, rather than call them.

If you think this post was racist, you're not paying attention. Pretending this problem doesn't exist, or that it's not especially prevalent in the Black community, would be less open to that false "racism" charge--but it would also be egregiously wrong and, more importantly, counterproductive.

You have to acknowledge that a cancer is THERE before you can treat it. If you pretend it doesn't exist--well, you know what happens then.
 
IIRC (and I am sure I do) the ''Muslims'' (actually Nation of Islam) from Mayfair beat a TV cameraman and reporter to within an inch of their lives when they went there to report on the vigilantism. This provides for a particularly poor example of a successful neihborhood watch.

The author points out that behavior that we see today was not accepted by the police or parents in the old neihborhood. Facts are the police were often time abusive in those days in order to maintain a level of fear. These day everyone has a video camera and if the police step out of line they are that night's entertainment and out of a job. Not that I endorse the police inspiring fear... but the dynamics have changed a lot.

The parents? In most poorer neighborhoods black males over 18 are running about 70% - 80% (DC is over 80%) felony conviction rate so it is fair to say that they are mostly convicted criminals. That is okay because so few mothers are married (or stay with the father) now that there really are effectively almost no households in 2007 where the father is in the home for eighteen years and he has not been convicted of a felony. This leaves the mother with the burden of raising the kids.

It is hard enough to raise kids in a two parent home in a ''good'' neihborhood with decent schools, low crime and access to health care. Take away all those things and the cards are really stacked against anyone ever getting out of the ghetto.

What we have now is the law of the jungle. Kids in the inner city do not even know that there is another life other than what they grew up with. Their family and friends are murdered regularly and therefore it follows that they must kill to survive.

How does one change a culture of violence? Such a thing is not easy. It took 300 years in Ireland. Since there so few leaders in the black community who endorse a policy of personal responsibility for all of one's actions and life there will likely be no change in my lifetime.
 
Try to imagine Asian-Americans idolizing their own street thugs, or Latino Americans singing the praises of MS-13. For that matter, try to imagine Jewish Americans admiring the slumlords and Shylocks that have shamed our people and given us a bad name for so long. Or Italian-Americans cheering references to the Mafia. It ain't happenin'.

Sorry, but it IS happening. And you can add a growing number of white teens who are turning on to the Aryan/Christian Identity-type movements.

That's why Cosby's & Williams' words (even though they're just addressing the black audience) contain truth for ALL the races/cultures. If we don't listen to it & ACT on it now, then we'll pay for it soon.... :(
 
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