Is 5 or 6 really enough in today's world.

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Well, if we include "9mm v. .45" in the thread, it will cover all the usual bases. :neener:

As JohnKSa commented, 5 or 6 rounds are 'enough' ... unless they aren't.

I'll take it one step further, and opine that 10-18rds may be 'enough' ... unless they aren't. Hence, why LE duty weapon loadouts usually include 2 spare magazines (whether double stack or single stack, as that can vary, too).

In answer to the OP's question, it depends on the individual, their experience and training ... and their anticipated (or perceived) situational needs. Confidence and comfort levels typically get thrown into the mix as ingredients, too.

LE has typically gone with semiauto pistols, and the age of the double stack full-size duty weapon has virtually taken over things when it comes to LE duty weapons. That influence will understandably leak over into the private self defense realm.

Me? I'm certainly nobody's expert (always declined becoming a court 'expert', for various reasons of my own). I do, on the other hand, have a little experience having carried an active badge for more than 3 decades, and having been trained and served as a LE firearms instructor (on a FTU staff of a goodly number of folks) for almost 27 years. I've learned from the older instructors, in-house and outside, and gained insight from newer, younger instructors (also in-house and from outside). The more I've learned, the less I've become willing to make pronouncements of definitive statements that affect everyone. :uhoh:

That said, I commonly carry one or another of my 5-shot snub revolvers. Occasionally, I may get out one of my remaining 6-shot revolvers, but their size/weight makes them less appealing for me nowadays. The 5-shot snubs are more attractive for my retirement EDC desires. Of course, during the last several years before I retired I'd started replacing some of my compact and subcompact pistols with snubs on my own time, too. It wasn't just something I decided to do once I retired from being in harness.

Yes, having fewer rounds available before reloading is required is something to think about, and it may have different importance to different folks. Can't speak to that, as that's something for them to consider for themselves.

Something interesting, though, which I recently learned, which may have some bearing on this subject ...

A friend of mine is retired from the Marines as a Gunny. He's a businessman and has been considering applying for a CCW, now that the recent supreme court case is causing things to change (for the better) in the way CCW's are handled here in CA (mostly meaning in the formerly restrictive urban areas). He has a G27 he's owned for a while, but said he misses being able to use a revolver (had to use a 92 in the Marines), and plans to get a medium-size 6-shot .357MAG revolver for self defense. He grew up shooting, and while he acknowledges that pistols do offer some useful features (including more capacity), he wants to go back to using a 6-shot revolver. He said he understands having only 6 shots before having to reload will require he make better use of those 6 shots. ;) I certainly wouldn't presume to gainsay someone who spent a career in the Marines. Different strokes. ;)

Meanwhile, I'm hoping to make some time to go over the hill to visit my cigar club later today, and while I could belt on one of my many 9's, .40's or .45's, I'm going to take one of my several S&W 5-shot J-frame snubs. Guess the only question is whether I take one that I only feed standard pressure .38SPL (an older Airweight), or one of the ones that use .38SPL +P, or one of the couple that can chamber .357MAG.

Like I said, different strokes. Folks ought to be able suit themselves. Individual choices come with the potential for individual consequences. Choose wisely ... and hope your choice turns out to be the right one for whatever circumstances may come your way.
 
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Well, if we include "9mm v. .45" in the thread, it will cover all the usual bases. :neener:

As JohnKSa commented, 5 or 6 rounds are 'enough' ... unless they aren't.

I'll take it one step further, and opine that 10-18rds may be 'enough' ... unless they aren't. Hence, why LE duty weapon loadouts usually include 2 spare magazines (whether double stack or single stack, as that can vary, too).

In answer to the OP's question, it depends on the individual, their experience and training ... and their anticipated (or perceived) situational needs. Confidence and comfort levels typically get thrown into the mix as ingredients, too.

LE has typically gone with semiauto pistols, and the age of the double stack full-size duty weapon has virtually taken over things when it comes to LE duty weapons. That influence will understandably leak over into the private self defense realm.

Me? I'm certainly nobody's expert (always declined becoming a court 'expert', for various reasons of my own). I do, on the other hand, have a little experience having carried an active badge for more than 3 decades, and having been trained and served as a LE firearms instructor (on a FTU staff of a goodly number of folks) for almost 27 years. I've learned from the older instructors, in-house and outside, and gained insight from newer, younger instructors (also in-house and from outside). The more I've learned, the less I've become willing to make pronouncements of definitive statements that affect everyone. :uhoh:

That said, I commonly carry one or another of my 5-shot snub revolvers. Occasionally, I may get out one of my remaining 6-shot revolvers, but their size/weight makes them less appealing for me nowadays. The 5-shot snubs are more attractive for my retirement EDC desires. Of course, during the last several years before I retired I'd started replacing some of my compact and subcompact pistols with snubs on my own time, too. It wasn't just something I decided to do once I retired from being in harness.

Yes, having fewer rounds available before reloading is required is something to think about, and it may have different importance to different folks. Can't speak to that, as that's something for them to consider for themselves.

Something interesting, though, which I recently learned, which may have some bearing on this subject ...

A friend of mine is retired from the Marines as a Gunny. He's a businessman and has been considering applying for a CCW, now that the recent supreme court case is causing things to change (for the better) in the way CCW's are handled here in CA (mostly meaning in the formerly restrictive urban areas). He has a G27 he's owned for a while, but said he misses being able to use a revolver (had to use a 92 in the Marines), and plans to get a medium-size 6-shot .357MAG revolver for self defense. He grew up shooting, and while he acknowledges that pistols do offer some useful features (including more capacity), he wants to go back to using a 6-shot revolver. He said he understands having only 6 shots before having to reload will require he make better use of those 6 shots. ;) I certainly wouldn't presume to gainsay someone who spent a career in the Marines. Different strokes. ;)

meanwhile, I'm hoping to make some time to go over the hill to visit my cigar club later today, and while I could belt on one of my many 9's, .40's or .45's, I'm going to take one of my several S&W 5-shot J-frame snubs. Guess the only question is whether I take one that I only feed standard pressure .38SPL (an older Airweight), or one of the ones that use .38SPL +P, or one of the couple that can chamber .357MAG.

Like I said, different strokes. Folks ought to be able suit themselves. Individual choices come with the potential for individual consequences. Choose wisely ... and hope your choice turns out to be the right one for whatever circumstances may come your way.
Ohh another GT member ;)
 
But what else is there to do all day?
Besides, the older I get the more likely I don’t remember what was discussed yesterday. o_O
I wonder how older folk feel on this topic. I'm in my early 40's, and already I feel as if I've discussed, read, or studied enough topics that almost every social media site feels like rehashing of main topics, from history to firearms.
 
Besides, the older I get the more likely I don’t remember what was discussed yesterday. o_O
Funny, that's what I heard my wife telling a friend of hers about me recently...
I wonder how older folk feel on this topic.
40s isn't "older folk?" Not that I'm old, but I do remember life before the internet. We discussed all this stuff while sitting around a cracker barrel down at the general store. Or revisited our favorite topics at the gun shop or gun club. "Earl, you hear they're issuing our boys plastic .22 rifles to take to Veet-Nam? What's this world coming to?"
 
"Louisville, KY, NY's Eve -- never reported by the police or the media initially. 600 rounds fired from 40 different weapons. WWYD if you were heading from your apartment to your car to leave for that New Year's Eve party?
https://www.wave3.com/video/2023/01...t-near-louisville-apartment-complex-obtained/ "

I suppose just stand in the middle of all of it. 600 rounds and no one was hit. Just try to look badass and pretend you're in the middle of an episode of the A- Team. Time to start carrying a Mini-14 with a folding stock loaded with blanks.
 
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Funny, that's what I heard my wife telling a friend of hers about me recently...
40s isn't "older folk?" Not that I'm old, but I do remember life before the internet. We discussed all this stuff while sitting around a cracker barrel down at the general store. Or revisited our favorite topics at the gun shop or gun club. "Earl, you hear they're issuing our boys plastic .22 rifles to take to Veet-Nam? What's this world coming to?"
I suspect that there was a lot of wisdom, but also a lot of '.22 will bounce around inside of you' and other myths around various campfires and porches.
 
Stay away from unsafe places if at all possible.
Whenever you're out and about, be consciously aware of all of the people and cars around you.
Don't drive a valuable or frequently-stolen vehicle.
Don't wear expensive clothing or jewelry.
Don't get into arguments with strangers.
If you're under the influence in public, you're an easy target.
Control your body language to always show confidence; never look nervous or unsure.
No one should ever think or suspect you have valuable firearms, jewelry, cash, illegal stuff, etc. at your house.
How much do you value your family's lives? Our current HD dog cost $35 at the pound. I put in the effort to be a good dog owner, and he keeps our house much much safer.

Good list. Makes me wonder what about someone who has things like the handicap license plate, hang tag, wheel chair lift on a van, etc. Does that attract the BG?
 
. . . if we are making decisions based on data and probabilities, it's not even clear that one needs to be armed. The vast majority of people don't end up using a carried firearm in their lifetime.
I am 65 and only ever started carrying last July. I have never been robbed or beaten, probably never will. Have had some close calls (never involving an armed assailant), but managed to get out of each situation unscathed. I carry because I can and because you never know you might need it some day against man or beast.
 
Makes me wonder what about someone who has things like the handicap license plate, hang tag, wheel chair lift on a van, etc. Does that attract the BG?
Predators like easy prey. Recently an elderly couple was rear-ended on a highway a couple of miles from my house. When they stopped, the driver of the other car battered the old man and stole some money from them. They had been targeted. They were followed from a local bank where they had withdrawn some money.

Goes without saying that other people had withdrawn money that day from the bank. Not that hard to guess why the robber targeted an elderly couple.
 
Funny, that's what I heard my wife telling a friend of hers about me recently...
40s isn't "older folk?" Not that I'm old, but I do remember life before the internet. We discussed all this stuff while sitting around a cracker barrel down at the general store. Or revisited our favorite topics at the gun shop or gun club. "Earl, you hear they're issuing our boys plastic .22 rifles to take to Veet-Nam? What's this world coming to?"

Folks like me that weren't in LEO or military circles mostly had to read about gun stuff in magazines or books. Gun shops in this city weren't really hang out joints for younger folks, though I did run across a few gun shops in the countryside filled with middle aged and older folks. The "patrons" didn't really like newbies popping in, but the business owners usually did and long as you were really going to buy something.
 
Predators like easy prey. Recently an elderly couple was rear-ended on a highway a couple of miles from my house. When they stopped, the driver of the other car battered the old man and stole some money from them. They had been targeted. They were followed from a local bank where they had withdrawn some money.

Goes without saying that other people had withdrawn money that day from the bank. Not that hard to guess why the robber targeted an elderly couple.

This is called “jugging,” around here. The PD admits that juggings are up, by some crazy percentage, the past year or so.

I often drive an elderly neighbor, to her bank. She likes having a retired LEO drive for her. She is usually putting checks or money into the bank, rather than withdrawing, but the random jugger will not know that. Folks are concerned, and rightfully so. (I am glad that my neighbor finally stopped telling people that I am her “bodyguard.” I am not a licensed Personal Protection Officer, and am not looking for anyone else to “protect.”)
 
I am 65 and only ever started carrying last July. I have never been robbed or beaten, probably never will. Have had some close calls (never involving an armed assailant), but managed to get out of each situation unscathed. I carry because I can and because you never know you might need it some day against man or beast.
Right, I didn't carry until 39 years old. Before that I was in NYC for a long time you know the story, I couldn't.

I traveled the world and was fine. I lived in the hood in NYC for a time. There have been several situations I was in that if I had to reexperience today, I'd want to be carrying.

Now I carry because I can, I like it, and just in case. Also with all the problems going on since 2020, I worry about something larger happening. I wouldn't want to be stuck out on the road without any firearm if a major disaster or WWIII happened.
 
How many people here carry a spare tire? (Majority of hands go up…)

How many carry two? I do. I live out in the desert. It can easily be 150 miles to any semblance of an auto repair shop. I bought a matching wheel for my car and had the best of my last set of tires, mounted on it. I don’t want to lope along on the donut spare for 100 miles. In 115 degree heat. And, I still have the donut spare just in case.

Fortunately, it fits in the trunk. It sits on top of my gun safe and, cinched down with a cargo strap.

Might I drive through a debris field of a wreck and flatten two tires? I might. I’m still good though. If I flatten three, I’m screwed.
(Actually, maybe not. I also have a plugging kit and an air compressor). But, in that scenario, I’d been better off with three spares. Maybe four.

So…one in the trunk. One in each back seat. One in the front passenger seat. I can handle almost any situation, involving tires, that may befall me.

Passengers, groceries. Well. No. But, I have equipped myself for the worst case scenario with only minor inconvenience. One is none. Two is one. Etc.

Everyone can carry whatever they want. Prepare for whatever may come your way.

I’ve never needed more than one spare tire.

In 36 years, working as a Police Officer in rough city in DFW, I survived many years with a 1911. Before 8 round magazines. Even 15 years on SWAT.

Retired, it’s not worth the energy to carry more gun and more ammo everywhere I go.

And, my odds of a flat are exponentially higher than a shootout. Hence, two spares. And I have yet to go to the second one.
 
I don’t carry 2 spare tires but I do carry a 20 volt impact wrench and a roll-around jack.
I don’t want to be 30 minutes on the side of a busy interstate trying to dig out the garbage tire-changing tools that came with the vehicle.
 
How many people here carry a spare tire? (Majority of hands go up…)

How many carry two? I do. I live out in the desert. It can easily be 150 miles to any semblance of an auto repair shop. I bought a matching wheel for my car and had the best of my last set of tires, mounted on it. I don’t want to lope along on the donut spare for 100 miles. In 115 degree heat. And, I still have the donut spare just in case.

That's a great analogy, especially on the risk management angle. You're making reasonable precautions based on the likelihood of a problem.

I'm not ever more than 20 miles from repair shop. I have one full size spare, and have used a spare 3 times since 2019. I had one time I had 2 tires blown out, so I know it can happen. But not common enough or enough of an inconvenience I can't just call AAA.

When I worked outdoors all over south Florida, I usually carried a full sized pistol. Not where I am now.
 
Ultimately, all we're doing is confirming the fact that some people take "reasonable precautions based on the likelihood of a problem" while others take additional precautions based upon the possibility of the worst problem.

Nobody is taking precautions based on the worst problem. Whether they're carrying a double stack 9mm and 2 spare mags, or a 5 shot J frame, they're still making some compromise based on what's likely and what precautions they are willing or able to take. They're both still just carrying handguns.

I don't know that you even can prepare for the worst problem.

There's still the possibility that you're sitting there eating Chick-fil-A in the food court, when the mall shooter comes out with body armor and a rifle. If you just happen to be the first guy he shoots in the back as he's coming out of the bathroom, it just wasn't your day.

You could be pumping gas or mowing your yard and DC sniper pops you in the head from the bushes a hundred yards away.
 
Speaking only for myself, I’m of the mind that overkill is underrated. My choice is a G26 with 12+1 and at least 1 reload of 15 rounds. Sometimes 2 reloads of 15 each.

There’s no right answer, though. But my answer makes me feel better so I do it
 
Nobody is taking precautions based on the worst problem.
Sigh. Everybody's a critic.

I think most here caught my meaning. Just in case, to clarify, I should have said, "others take additional precautions based upon the possibility of a more worse problem than the likeliest problem."

There.

By the way, I'm prepared for the worst problem. As I sit in my bunker, contemplating the door to my fallout shelter...
 
Sigh. Everybody's a critic.

I think most here caught my meaning. Just in case, to clarify, I should have said, "others take additional precautions based upon the possibility of a more worse problem than the likeliest problem."

There.

By the way, I'm prepared for the worst problem. As I sit in my bunker, contemplating the door to my fallout shelter...

You know they have deep penetrating "bunker busters" now, right?

Jeez, people. You're so totally gonna die.
 
How many people here carry a spare tire? (Majority of hands go up…)

How many carry two? I do. I live out in the desert. It can easily be 150 miles to any semblance of an auto repair shop. I bought a matching wheel for my car and had the best of my last set of tires, mounted on it. I don’t want to lope along on the donut spare for 100 miles. In 115 degree heat. And, I still have the donut spare just in case.

Fortunately, it fits in the trunk. It sits on top of my gun safe and, cinched down with a cargo strap.

Might I drive through a debris field of a wreck and flatten two tires? I might. I’m still good though. If I flatten three, I’m screwed.
(Actually, maybe not. I also have a plugging kit and an air compressor). But, in that scenario, I’d been better off with three spares. Maybe four.

So…one in the trunk. One in each back seat. One in the front passenger seat. I can handle almost any situation, involving tires, that may befall me.

Passengers, groceries. Well. No. But, I have equipped myself for the worst case scenario with only minor inconvenience. One is none. Two is one. Etc.

Everyone can carry whatever they want. Prepare for whatever may come your way.

I’ve never needed more than one spare tire.

In 36 years, working as a Police Officer in rough city in DFW, I survived many years with a 1911. Before 8 round magazines. Even 15 years on SWAT.

Retired, it’s not worth the energy to carry more gun and more ammo everywhere I go.

And, my odds of a flat are exponentially higher than a shootout. Hence, two spares. And I have yet to go to the second one.

For whatever reason - probably apocalypse fiction - I worry about EMP, either from the sun or from nuclear weapons. So I plan on being able to get home from wherever my car dies. That means a fairly well-stocked backpack in my trunk, along with clothes and footwear appropriate for a multi-day hike.

Realistically, it's almost certainly never going to get used, but it's a small amount of money and effort and it makes me feel better. Where the same thing applies to folks who want to carry any sort of "excessive" armament, then more power to them.

The difference, of course, is that I'm not running around claiming that anyone who doesn't stock their trunk the way I do is a fool who deserves what he gets when the apocalypse happens.
 
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