Is Glock the Colt 1911 of the 1980s & earlier?

[.38 Special]

Too bad about those triggers, though.

 

[tarosean]

, but what about State and Local Government contracts.

They still pale in comparison to what the public buys.. Not to mention departments that have lists instead of issued

 

[trackskippy]

Yeah, the 43 should have been released at least 10 years earlier. I wonder if demand prevented them from opening another assembly line?



Why two 17's? And not a 17 and 22?

Ive never been a 40 fan. I like to have multiple duplicates of what I use.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Alright…. Let all buy a Glock this Year!

19MOS here I come

 

[Hugger-4641]

I'm already at my Glock limit

I have a Gen 3 g19, Gen 4 g20 , Gen 4 g23, and a Gen 3 g21. I have thought about adding a g43 or replacing the g17 I traded off, but not that compelled to do so yet. Nothing about the Gen 5 really spurs me into wanting one, so unless a good deal falls in my lap I'm Glocked out.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I'm already at my Glock limit

I have a Gen 3 g19, Gen 4 g20 , Gen 4 g23, and a Gen 3 g21. I have thought about adding a g43 or replacing the g17 I traded off, but not that compelled to do so yet. Nothing about the Gen 5 really spurs me into wanting one, so unless a good deal falls in my lap I'm Glocked out.

I shot my Glock after 3-4 years of not shooting it. I was putting them in the same hole at 7 yards with 3.8gn Universe & Berry 124’s

I think a Glock 19 MOS will work for me as a Nice Compact Carry! Looking at that super nice RMR HD reddot too

 

[sevt_chevelle]

Alright…. Let all buy a Glock this Year!

19MOS here I come

I'll pass
But feel free to buy a 2nd one in my honor

 

[tarosean]

I was putting them in the same hole at 7 yards

7yrds? just stick your off hand out to poke the holes.

 

[jmr40]

Everything runs in cycles. Glock will fall from the top at some point regardless of what they do. Somebody will build a better mousetrap eventually.

Outside of the military the 1911 was never a mainstream gun. A handful of LE agencies would allow SOME officers to carry a 1911, but for the most part they were not only never issued, but their use was discouraged. Most of the 1911's in use in the military when they switched to Beretta's in the 1980's were WW-2 manufacture.

About the only market for 1911's was always the civilian market meant to be used in various shooting sports. Most of those guys wanted custom features and Colt's competition started offering many of those features from the factory.

Glocks market for now is much different. They concentrate on LE sales. And the guys making decisions on LE gun purchases are not interested in the custom touches. They want the most reliable gun at the best price. The guys involved in the shooting sports are the ones customizing their guns and buying the clones that come from the factory with them.

Non-LE sales and catering to the guys playing the shooting sports are a low priority for Glock. If/when they start to lose market share from LE I could see them start to offer more guns intended for the non-LE market. But for now, they can sell everything they make and see no reason to change.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I was an early believer in the advantages of the polymer frame, having started with H&K's partial offering in their P9S and then the world first production polymer framed pistol the VP70...great with the shoulder stock, not so much without.

Since Glock came on the market, I've owned several, but found that they did indeed seem very Camry-like...serviceable but boring. I'm down to 3 now and really only shoot the G30 (won at a GSSF match) and G34 (got at a fire sale).

I was really hoping Glock would introduce a transferable FCU model like SIG and Springfield Armory has...but alas it was not to be

 

[jdc1244]

Although I dislike Glocks – and striker-fired plastic pistols in general – Glock doesn’t seem in jeopardy of losing dominance in its respective market; indeed, it’s sought after by new gun owners, is the standard of law enforcement, and has a devoted, enthralled fan base.

Consequently, it’s extremely unlikely that Glock might go bankrupt or might be bought out by another company.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Ive never been a 40 fan. I like to have multiple duplicates of what I use.

one is none … two is one

 

[InTheSwamp]

That's what Colt thought about their GM and Commander too

Their GM and Commander never commanded a worldwide market share like Glock has and still does. Nothing close to it.
No one can predict what Gaston's heirs will do, and there are many more competitors in the field. Yet, they don't seem to have reached the stagnation point: sales and contracts continue to be healthy.

Being "late to the party" is moot, as Glock proved in 1982.

 

[maxxhavoc]

I was really hoping Glock would introduce a transferable FCU model like SIG and Springfield Armory has...but alas it was not to be

If you want to scratch that itch a little, wait for the Palmetto State Dagger SWCH. It may be aluminum on the bottom end, but it has a swappable FCU, and at least the slide, barrel, sights are Glock compatible. It is based off the Live Free Armory AMP. Polymer lowers and more compatible parts are being considered for the future. Might be one to watch.

 

[Mark_Mark]

on a Glock 19! oooh yeah

 

[Zerodefect]

Holosun has a direct mount specific to Glock. Even the serrations line up.

 

[JohnKSa]

I don't know. I think Colt's mistake was thinking that their name and cachet would carry them through and so they made bad decisions thinking that they could weather any storm that came along.

Glock has focused hard on the business/marketing aspect of it from the very beginning. I think if Glock starts to lose too much of the market share, they have the savvy to get it back. Now that Gaston isn't there, they have more flexibility to innovate a bit more if that's what they think they need to do. They've been cautious to make change, but I think part of that is how well they're doing even with their relatively slow and small changes to the lineup. I mean, it's true that other gun companies have innovated more, but it doesn't seem to be helping them make any significant inroads into Glock's market share.

 

[Heir Kommt Die Sonne]

Now that Gaston isn't there, they have more flexibility to innovate

How are we sure Gaston was so confident in his design he prevented innovative deviations? I could be wrong, but I don't think we can say definitely that he was the reason the Glock remained the same; unless there's quoted evidence that he was hesitant to change his designs.

Glock has focused hard on the business/marketing aspect of it from the very beginning.

And so did Colt, but he's not around. After getting John Moses Browning working for them Colt seemed very confident they'd always do that well and they did for a long time. But we all know where that eventually lead them. They tried to be innovative but bad market practices are going to ruin any attempt to be, no matter how good your idea is.

 

[kje54]

 

[trackskippy]

Holosun has a direct mount specific to Glock. Even the serrations line up.

Yea, sorta.

 

[tarosean]

Consequently, it’s extremely unlikely that Glock might go bankrupt or might be bought out by another company.

Heirs can run a company into the ground quite quickly.

 

[kidneyboy]

Heirs can run a company into the ground quite quickly.

Yep, usually the 3rd generation.

 

[9mmepiphany]

How are we sure Gaston was so confident in his design he prevented innovative deviations? I could be wrong, but I don't think we can say definitely that he was the reason the Glock remained the same; unless there's quoted evidence that he was hesitant to change his designs.

In this industry, actions usually speak louder than words. His inability to ever acknowledge shortcomings of his pistols should be a fairly clear sign of his mindset. Early examples would be the failure of the G17 slide stop and non-fall free magazines. His initial entry into the .40 caliber pistol offerings would provide another example

You have to remember that Gaston Glock wasn't a "Gun Guy"...he was 52 before he started manufacturing firearms. His company manufactured door hinges, curtain rods and knives...his first big military contract was for his polymer handled knife. He got into the firearm business when trying for a military contract for a new sidearm. He didn't design the pistol that eventually became the G-17, he hire designers to research and took the features of the most popular pistols and incorporated his experience in polymers to manufacture the frame...following the lead of H&K.

 

[Zerodefect]

Yea, sorta.

Hopefully they do a CZ Shadow 2 next.

Although plates are handy, if we want to shoot iron sights as well.

 

[Mark_Mark]

How are we sure Gaston was so confident in his design he prevented innovative deviations? I could be wrong, but I don't think we can say definitely that he was the reason the Glock remained the same; unless there's quoted evidence that he was hesitant to change his designs.


And so did Colt, but he's not around. After getting John Moses Browning working for them Colt seemed very confident they'd always do that well and they did for a long time. But we all know where that eventually lead them. They tried to be innovative but bad market practices are going to ruin any attempt to be, no matter how good your idea is.

New Colt Gold Cups are nice! the early 80’s model are near perfect. Colt just messed up from late 80’s to idk late 2000’s. But Colts cool now

Next on the Glock marketing strategy is… $350 Glock 19’s! got a feeling