Is It Time For A New Scope?

[D.B. Cooper]

By the way. I replaced that Redfield scope with a Vortex Diamond back in the same 4-12x40 configuration. Had it at the range today. Worked out pretty well.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

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Fixed 10x scopes with mildots were used for a long time, not my thing, but may be easier to aquire.
I have one of these scopes, they drive me nuts...

I used that exact same reticle for the first time today. Zeroed at 200, put that first, 1.5 moa elevation mark dead on at 300, and it was 1.5" low. That's pretty good in my book.

 

[Walkalong]

I feel like that level of glass quality (and expense) are unnecessary in a rifle scope. The rifle scope is for aiming the gun; I don't need to count tines, verify ram curl, or look for evidence of sex at 600 yards with a rifle scope.

Then you shouldn't buy good to great glass, but it is very handy to have for many applications.

 

[LoonWulf]

As a previous 200 (or maybe less) dollar is good enough scope guy.......

Then you shouldn't buy good to great glass, but it is very handy to have for many applications.

That right there is alot of truth. Not that i dont HAVE a bunch of 100-200 dollar scopes, but i consider what im going to be doing before grabbing a rifle with one of them on it.....heck my Vx-3i dropped the ball today where my Meopta probably would have done fine. Had I known we were hunting new places, i probably would have brought my 280AI instead of my 375 on this trip just because of that.

 

[Varminterror]

Zeroed at 200, put that first, 1.5 moa elevation mark dead on at 300, and it was 1.5" low.

I’m not sure I’m understanding this. Are you saying here that your drop from 200 zero to 300 is actually 2moa, instead of the 1.5moa hash you held?

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I’m not sure I’m understanding this. Are you saying here that your drop from 200 zero to 300 is actually 2moa, instead of the 1.5moa hash you held?

I don't think so. The first (highest or closest to the cross hairs) subtension/hash mark/whatever you call it is equal to 1.5 MOA. As I read that, if I were to zero at 100 yards, then use the 1.5 MOA subtension and shot dead center at 100 yards, my bullet would hit 1.5" high.

My zero is 200 yards. My ballistic app says that, for 300 yards, I need to add 1.49 MOA to be spot on/zeroed at 275 yards and compensate for 4.3" of drop between 200 and 275 yrds. It also says that I need to add 2.06 MOA (from my 200 yard zero) to compensate for 2.46" of drop between 200 and 300 yards. This tells me that my bullet is dropping 1.84" between 275 and 300 yards. I shot at a 300-yard target, using the first, 1.5 MOA subtension, and I hit right about 2" low. This tells me that the ballistics app data and my real world experience (at least in this one, very specific scenario) are within 0.16" of each other.

 

[Varminterror]

It also says that I need to add 2.06 MOA (from my 200 yard zero) to compensate for 2.46" of drop between 200 and 300 yards.

Something is wonky here. 2.46” isn’t 2.06moa at 300yrds.

If your rifle is zeroed at 200 and the app says you need 2.06moa for 300yrds, that’s 6.47” of drop compensation from 200 to 300 yards.

Are you not correcting the zero range in the app to 200yrds?

Also, is this the Vortex Diamondback 4-12x40 BDC? It’s second focal plane, correct? Are you shooting at its reference magnification?

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Something is wonky here. 2.46” isn’t 2.06moa at 300yrds.

It should be for 100 yards of travel between 200 and 300, but I don't know how to calculate that. That's why I got the app.

If your rifle is zeroed at 200 and the app says you need 2.06moa for 300yrds, that’s 6.47” of drop compensation from 200 to 300 yards.

Seemed like a lot of drop to me, too.

Are you not correcting the zero range in the app to 200yrds?

I am.

Also, is this the Vortex Diamondback 4-12x40 BDC? It’s second focal plane, correct? Are you shooting at its reference magnification?

Yes. Full power (12x) magnification.

 

[Varminterror]

Something is wonky here. 2.46” isn’t 2.06moa at 300yrds.

If your rifle is zeroed at 200 and the app says you need 2.06moa for 300yrds, that’s 6.47”

It should be for 100 yards of travel between 200 and 300, but I don't know how to calculate that. That's why I got the app.

I might not have been clear - if your app is saying 2.06moa trajectory compensation at 300, that is not equivalent to 2.46”. To be clear, I don’t mean this figuratively, or in any reference to your trajectory - but rather, stating literally, those are not equivalent displacements - it’s like saying 3 feet is 22 inches. 2.06moa would only be 2.46” at 120 yards, so something is wonky if you’re getting 2.06moa and 2.46” out of the app - or calculating between these from app outputs.

 

[Varminterror]

Quick run on factory Hornady 95grn 243win ammo through StrelokPro shows 1.89moa at 300 from a 200yrd zero, which is 5.9” at 300yrds:

(1.047”/1moa/100yrds * 1.89moa * 300yrds) = 5.9”

But really, it’s not terribly productive to bother with linear displacement - don’t bother converting your trajectory to inches.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

As a side note, I finally got an email from Leupold today, 33 days after they received it. They confirmed that the Redfield Revolution I sent them is in need of replacement under warranty. (No surprise there.) They will replace it with a Leupold VX Freedom 4, however, that scope is backordered. I should contact them again in six weeks if I haven't heard from them again.

Meanwhile, hunting season opens in two weeks. This is the problem with "warranties." All the "great customer service" "lifetime, vip, bla bla bla" warranties in the world are worthless if a company can't act on those promises. But I kind of saw this coming, so, as stated earlier, I bought another scope. Now, at some point, I'll just have a spare scope on a shelf.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

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[MarshallDodge]

If you are doing a lot of dialing, my experience is that you need to spend a little more on the scope.

It may not be apparent by looking through the glass or from the outside, but there is a reason that some scopes cost more than others.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

If you are doing a lot of dialing, my experience is that you need to spend a little more on the scope.

It may not be apparent by looking through the glass or from the outside, but there is a reason that some scopes cost more than others.

You definitely get what you pay for. Actually, you always pay for what you get. Sometimes, you get what you pay for. This is doubly true on optics.

 

[Megawatt maker]

As a side note, I finally got an email from Leupold today, 33 days after they received it. They confirmed that the Redfield Revolution I sent them is in need of replacement under warranty. (No surprise there.) They will replace it with a Leupold VX Freedom 4, however, that scope is backordered. I should contact them again in six weeks if I haven't heard from them again.

Meanwhile, hunting season opens in two weeks. This is the problem with "warranties." All the "great customer service" "lifetime, vip, bla bla bla" warranties in the world are worthless if a company can't act on those promises. But I kind of saw this coming, so, as stated earlier, I bought another scope. Now, at some point, I'll just have a spare scope on a shelf.

Leupold did the same thing to me. Actually took almost 8 months till I got the replacement (A RDS in my case).

I suspect, without proof however, that Leupold doesn't give the same priority to returned Redfield products as they do their own name.

They replace it...eventually, at their convenience.

Could be wrong..but the only time I've ever had to deal with leupold warranty...was with a Redfield product.

 

[LoonWulf]

Leupold did the same thing to me. Actually took almost 8 months till I got the replacement (A RDS in my case).

I suspect, without proof however, that Leupold doesn't give the same priority to returned Redfield products as they do their own name.

They replace it...eventually, at their convenience.

Could be wrong..but the only time I've ever had to deal with leupold warranty...was with a Redfield product.

I think leupold builds in batches, so if your particular items out of stock it takes a while to come around again.....id bet they service the vendor orders first also.

 

[redneck2]

Be advised that Leupold will upgrade and apply the list price of the warranty scope against the list price of a higher price scope. I sent in a VX-III 2-7 and upgraded to a VX-3 4-14 x 42. They would have replaced it with another 2-7 VX-3.

You could upgrade and get something in stock at the same time