Is there anything particular to consider with a BERETTA 92 A1 ammo wise?

halfmoonclip said:
LOL! Okay, ancient history for sure.
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:)

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the fall block is the Beta. It's just a system to works a bit differently that the tilt barrel, which I do consider VHS,...and certainly better than the rotating barrel systems (Beretta PX4)

I think the Beta is the H&K Delayed Roller Lock system, followed by their P7 gas system (the pneumatic system on the P7M7 didn't work that well)
 
9mmepiphany said:
:)

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the fall block is the Beta. It's just a system to works a bit differently that the tilt barrel, which I do consider VHS,...and certainly better than the rotating barrel systems (Beretta PX4)

I think the Beta is the H&K Delayed Roller Lock system, followed by their P7 gas system (the pneumatic system on the P7M7 didn't work that well)
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Concur.
The rotating barrel thing is strange; do I recall the Savage double stack used that, along with the more recent Beretta? Guy from the Club had one of those roller lock CZs; he fired some of the bottleneck subgun ammo in it, and it struck fire on the steel backstop. I have a P7, and discovered that the system self compensating nature let it run on .380 ACP. At least as an experiment. You'll have to explain pneumatic operation...you're not talking about the gas retardation on the P7?
How guns work is no small part of what makes them interesting.
I am dazzled by almost anything Browning touched; the action of a '92 Winchester as an example.
Moon
 
Thanks a lot for the further information and sharing lot's of technical details. I am also happy if I get the chance to learn.

Do you guys have any experience with some higher capacity clips for the M9 family. I might have the chance to get 17 round magazine from Brownells.

Have the admit that there is no real reason to buy such stuff, the standard 15 round magazine is more than enough for my needs fun/target shooting and indoor home defense.

A 17 round magazine just would be a neat extra just for the coolness factor. Do you guys now if these magazines tend to work reliably?
 
agent00 said:
Thanks a lot for the further information and sharing lot's of technical details. I am also happy if I get the chance to learn.

Do you guys have any experience with some higher capacity clips for the M9 family. I might have the chance to get 17 round magazine from Brownells.

Have the admit that there is no real reason to buy such stuff, the standard 15 round magazine is more than enough for my needs fun/target shooting and indoor home defense.

A 17 round magazine just would be a neat extra just for the coolness factor. Do you guys now if these magazines tend to work reliably?
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Here are a couple other video's that may be helpful



 
I only want to point out that in the second video posted above, all the Berettas on the table have the reinforced slide. For competition shooting is the better choice.
 
5-SHOTS said:
I only want to point out that in the second video posted above, all the Berettas on the table have the reinforced slide. For competition shooting is the better choice.
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It is known as the Brigadier slide. It was originally designed to improve durability for the .40 S&W chambered guns. Some like it regardless of caliber, but it really isn't a "need" for 9mm.


Edit to add: I included that video for the OP for the magazine recommendations at the end of the video.
 
JTQ said:
It is known as the Brigadier slide. It was originally designed to improve durability for the .40 S&W chambered guns. Some like it regardless of caliber, but it really isn't a "need" for 9mm.


Edit to add: I included that video for the OP for the magazine recommendations at the end of the video.
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Pretty much all the competition models have that slide. It's an improvement for durability, as Beretta 92 slides when they break they usually break there. That slide is also more rigid. The Beretta 98 Target suffered alot for the lack of that type of slide, with the barrel breaking under the chamber due to slide flexing during fire. Infact the Stock and the Combat model, with a similar barrel of the Target model, have the reinforced slide.
 
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The 92A1 is a fine choice for your intended usage, OP.

I did two things to improve the feel and shootability of my M9:

First, I installed a "D" spring as was already mentioned in this thread. It made a noticeable improvement in the trigger pull.

Second, I replaced the factory grip panels with slimline G10 grips from LOK Grips. I have small hands and the reduced grip circumference makes the gun more comfortable. They do ship internationally but you should probably email them before ordering to see if there might be issues getting them to Austria.
 
9mmepiphany said:
The modification addressing the locking block fracturing at the ears ( due to training with very hot ammo) was addressed by rounding the angle where it joins the main body.
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Rereading this thread, it is amazing such a minor modification solves the problem. An 'attaboy' to the Beretta engineers.
Moon
 
JTQ said:
It is known as the Brigadier slide. It was originally designed to improve durability for the .40 S&W chambered guns. Some like it regardless of caliber, but it really isn't a "need" for a 9mm.
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JTQ, thanks. Had seen some of the slides with the bulge over the locking block, and wondered about it.
Moon
 
FWIW... I bought a Frankenstein Beretta 96 made of pieces of different police surplus pistols maybe ten years back. My ex-FiL hand-loaded his first batch of 40 S&W, brought his new polymer CZ along, and we went to the range.

He wasn't paying attention and cracked the frame of his CZ with the first few shots. Then he loaded a few rounds into the Beretta 96. The first shot actually made the pistol come apart. I don't recall the details, but it kind of field-stripped itself. The CZ was ruined, but I slipped the Beretta back together and it's been fine ever since. Those loads must've been ridiculously overpowered. Apparently the Beretta design isn't all that weak.

I bought my Taurus M92 clone ages ago. I have a big 30-32 round magazine that I bought for it ages ago. It works fine.

Here-s the Frankenstein Model 96:

Beretta 96

Beretta 96

 
Tallball said:
FWIW... I bought a Frankenstein Beretta 96 made of pieces of different police surplus pistols maybe ten years back. My ex-FiL hand-loaded his first batch of 40 S&W, brought his new polymer CZ along, and we went to the range.

He wasn't paying attention and cracked the frame of his CZ with the first few shots. Then he loaded a few rounds into the Beretta 96. The first shot actually made the pistol come apart. I don't recall the details, but it kind of field-stripped itself. The CZ was ruined, but I slipped the Beretta back together and it's been fine ever since. Those loads must've been ridiculously overpowered. Apparently the Beretta design isn't all that weak.

I bought my Taurus M92 clone ages ago. I have a big 30-32 round magazine that I bought for it ages ago. It works fine.

Here-s the Frankenstein Model 96:

Beretta 96

Beretta 96

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Beretta has made a few modifications over the years to accommodate the .40S&W round in the 90 Series guns. The Brigadier slide is one, the slanted dust cover is another, and the frame buffer in the 92A1/96A1 is a third. Most have filtered into the 9mm 92 guns, but they really are only needed for the .40 S&W guns, and actually, I'm not sure how effective they are at prolonging life of the 96 (.40 S&W) guns anyway.

In this heyday of Beretta 90 Series guns, where there are more, and better options than ever, there is only one gun in the 90 Series line-up that shoots the .40 S&W, and that is the 96A1. I get the feeling Beretta would rather not sell guns in .40 S&W, but I suspect if you want a Beretta in .40 S&W, Beretta would rather you bought a PX4 or APX in .40 S&W rather than a 96. The PX4 and APX were designed around the .40 S&W while the 90 Series was designed around the 9mm.
 
Thanks a lot for the further information and the very helpful videos. I will also check out if I can get the LOK grips get shipped to Austria as @Dave Markowitz suggested . They look nice.

Got another ammo question to the Beretta owners out there. Have you also used some lighter bullets in your m92 guns?

Was talking to some guys at the range yesterday about self defense and ammo and they suggested using some lighter non lead load like the geco 9mm exteme action which is 108 grain all copper bullet.

Have not considered such exoctic loads for price and practial reasons. I think the gold 115 grain jhp round from federal is more than enough for short range home defense at much cheaper price. But just out of curiosity. Would these lighter loads work well in a m92 gun or not.
 
agent00 said:
Thanks a lot for the further information and the very helpful videos. I will also check out if I can get the LOK grips get shipped to Austria as @Dave Markowitz suggested . They look nice.
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If they won't ship, other options for slim grips are

VZ Grips https://vzgrips.com/shop-all/semi-auto-pistol-grips/beretta-92-grips/full-size-grips/

and Wilson Combat and Langdon Tactical that carry Beretta 92 grips

Wilson Combat https://wilsoncombat.com/accessories/parts-for-other-models/parts-for-beretta/beretta-grips.html

Langdon Tactical https://langdontactical.com/vz-g10-ultra-thin-ltt-grips/
 
agent00 said:
Thanks a lot for the further information and the very helpful videos. I will also check out if I can get the LOK grips get shipped to Austria as @Dave Markowitz suggested . They look nice.

Got another ammo question to the Beretta owners out there. Have you also used some lighter bullets in your m92 guns?

Was talking to some guys at the range yesterday about self defense and ammo and they suggested using some lighter non lead load like the geco 9mm exteme action which is 108 grain all copper bullet.

Have not considered such exoctic loads for price and practial reasons. I think the gold 115 grain jhp round from federal is more than enough for short range home defense at much cheaper price. But just out of curiosity. Would these lighter loads work well in a m92 gun or not.
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As I said, lighter and faster bullets will usually hit lower. Now, if the sights of the 92A1 are factory adjusted like the sights of the standard 92FS (combat hold), you are going to hit in the exact direction of the front sight white dot or even lower. Now, if those Geco 108gr. show a substantial better accuracy than other loads, I'll chose them to shoot at the range and have better groups. I don't think those round nose Geco will have an advantage over the 115gr. JHP in terms of terminal ballistic against a two legged aggressor.
The good thing about a new pistol is that you can try all the different loads you can find at your local gun shop to see which is more accurate with that pistol or has a recoil impulse you like better or is the best bang for the buck ammo overall.
If you are on a budget or you don't want to spend more money on a type of ammo you don't think it will offer you any advantage, stick with the cheaper ammo and you'll be well served anyway.
 
halfmoonclip said:
The Browning tilting lock is nearly universal in modern lockbreech autopistols. That may well come down to a cost vs advantage analysis.
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The Browning system is a lot cheaper, two parts that don't really require very very complex machining. The Walther system has four parts, and two of those parts have fairly complex geometry.

Oh, with CNC complex geometry is no problem. Not quite, you may still have to re-fixture the parts to get to the other side, that sometimes takes human intervention, and therefore, cost.
 
lysanderxiii said:
The Browning system is a lot cheaper, two parts that don't really require very very complex machining. The Walther system has four parts, and two of those parts have fairly complex geometry.

Oh, with CNC complex geometry is no problem. Not quite, you may still have to re-fixture the parts to get to the other side, that sometimes takes human intervention, and therefore, cost.
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Concur.
One issue; it's not unlikely to have a $5k pistol these days; surprising that someone (Korth?) hasn't made a kind of high tech pistol using a novel lockup.
The Browning system has evolved over the years, from the original link/grooves to a cam using the barrel hood and E-port.
Moon
 
Okay, my first trip back...
I am a huge Beretta fan and I have shot some +p ammo through my 92's.

The owners manual says, "no +p".
No pistol, except H&K, will digest a steady diet of +p.
Sorry, the manufacturer say's no +p comment ruffed so many feathers. You can shoot whatever the posts in this say or follow the manual.
 
agent00 said:
I want to get back into pistol shooting after many years. This time I want to get a Beretta 92a1.
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I do not know whether the OP would have any interest, but Beretta sells a 22LR conversion kit that works incredibly well on my 92A1.

Having the exact same trigger for both 9mm and 22LR practice is very nice.

Beretta comparison.jpg
 
“The owners manual says, "no +p".’

Mine says they don‘t recommend “extended“ use of plus P, or plus P plus, or sub-machine gun ammo. (Emphasis is mine.)
 
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