Jim Watson
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On the other hand, a Randall knife connected to a particular veteran is a very desirable item. Randall is still in business in the third generation and running about five years behind on direct orders.
Is this a gun?
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Freedom_fighter_in_IL
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As Jim said, That Randal knife is a very desirable item indeed. Looks to be in pretty good shape.
And lears, please do not take what I said about "sold to some shmuck" personally. My dad always did say I had a problem with my mouth outrunning my brain at times
There is just a lot that is "suspect" about that "knucklegun". While an interesting item, I do not recall anything of the sort being associated with U.S. Army equipment. That in itself leads me to believe it is just one of the MANY fake "relics" out there that were sold to unsuspecting honest people.
And lears, please do not take what I said about "sold to some shmuck" personally. My dad always did say I had a problem with my mouth outrunning my brain at times
There is just a lot that is "suspect" about that "knucklegun". While an interesting item, I do not recall anything of the sort being associated with U.S. Army equipment. That in itself leads me to believe it is just one of the MANY fake "relics" out there that were sold to unsuspecting honest people.
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THE US wasn't even in the war in 1916, so undoubtedly your Great grandfather died much later.
rcmodel
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I'd bet my bippy a gun shop will know less about it then what we don't already know!
BTW: That WWII vintage Randall knife is worth a small fortune!!!
rc
BTW: That WWII vintage Randall knife is worth a small fortune!!!
rc
How is the knife pictured and story the same as this completed 2009 ebay auction?
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vtg-randall-model-fighting-knife-53905876
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vtg-randall-model-fighting-knife-53905876
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I guess it is the same person HSO because that is indeed the same knife and the story seems the same as well.
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Freedom fighter in IL said:
It is possible to have guns with significant collector's value removed from the NFA and given C&R status (if they didn't already have it due to their age). They are then Title I firearms under the '68 GCA if manufactured after 1898.
The ATF maintains a list of these items and includes it in the C&R list.
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hirundo82, given that I do not actively collect C&R weapons, I have a question. Since the weapon in question here has some obvious signs of a fraudulent "collection" piece would that give pause to taking it off of the NFA list or could it still hold "curio" status? There is no way to ACCURATELY date it, has no serial numbers, is obviously some sort of "home brewed" weapon. Given all these things would it still be considered C&R?
I can't be sure without examining it but some of those "knuckleduster" guns were made to fire if the muzzle was driven into the opponent. One could hit an enemy with the "knucks" then shoot him by driving the gun muzzle into him in the same way knuckleduster knives were used. That handle, in fact, may well have come from one of the knuck-knife combinations actually issued to US soldiers in WWI.
As to its status, I would have to agree that is meets the AOW criteria and is likely illegal unless registered, in other words, it is contraband. The only legal thing to do would be to call BATFE and offer to surrender the weapon pending a review of its status. If they decide it is an AOW you will lose it, but if they rule in your favor you would get it back.
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As to its status, I would have to agree that is meets the AOW criteria and is likely illegal unless registered, in other words, it is contraband. The only legal thing to do would be to call BATFE and offer to surrender the weapon pending a review of its status. If they decide it is an AOW you will lose it, but if they rule in your favor you would get it back.
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Jim,
The knuckles on the 1918 Trench Knife were different (oblong finger opening) and the markings should be very clear on them since they were cast so I doubt that this was taken off of one of the trench knives, but is kinda inspired by the markings on one. Check this thread on them and you'll see the basic difference. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=445036
The knuckles on the 1918 Trench Knife were different (oblong finger opening) and the markings should be very clear on them since they were cast so I doubt that this was taken off of one of the trench knives, but is kinda inspired by the markings on one. Check this thread on them and you'll see the basic difference. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=445036
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I have received quite a few questions & comments in regards to whether or not the knife belonged to me, that I would like to address. The knife did belong to me, however I sold it on ebay a little less than a year ago. I am not a member of the site that the knife is posted on (worthpoint), however anyone that has a membership will clearly see that the ebay user id is Lears75
It seems strange since I never gave anyone permission to post the auction, so how did the knife end up on that site?
I checked to see if an auction that I posted on ebay last week was on the site, however I did not have any luck finding it. Just out of curiosity, is every completed ebay auction posted on Worthpoint? If so, do you have to be a member to find a particular auction?
Here is the item # to the ebay auction that I tried to locate. If anyone is a member of worthpoint, I would be very interested in finding out if it is on the site. If you are able to find it, that should clear up all of my questions.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...3&si=3GeRTQG0AB81iQhHDvU3Xs0hx0U%3D&viewitem=
It seems strange since I never gave anyone permission to post the auction, so how did the knife end up on that site?
I checked to see if an auction that I posted on ebay last week was on the site, however I did not have any luck finding it. Just out of curiosity, is every completed ebay auction posted on Worthpoint? If so, do you have to be a member to find a particular auction?
Here is the item # to the ebay auction that I tried to locate. If anyone is a member of worthpoint, I would be very interested in finding out if it is on the site. If you are able to find it, that should clear up all of my questions.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...3&si=3GeRTQG0AB81iQhHDvU3Xs0hx0U%3D&viewitem=
Better yet, I found some of my prior auctions that I believe are a little more up everyone's ally. I am very interested in seeing if anyone could locate the auctions on worthpoint without having an auction #. The first photo is of a gun box that I sold on ebay. It has been about a year, however I believe it sold for around $75.00? I was tickled pink but shocked at the same time that someone would pay that much for a broken box.
The second photo is of a sword that I sold. My memory on this one is very foggy, however I believe I posted it as an officer sword from 1830? I may have used "civil war" as a key word. I realize that the civil war was not in 1830, but figured I would add it since I was unsure of the exact date of the sword and figured wouldn't hurt.
I am pretty sure, that those are the only weapons that I have sold on ebay.
The second photo is of a sword that I sold. My memory on this one is very foggy, however I believe I posted it as an officer sword from 1830? I may have used "civil war" as a key word. I realize that the civil war was not in 1830, but figured I would add it since I was unsure of the exact date of the sword and figured wouldn't hurt.
I am pretty sure, that those are the only weapons that I have sold on ebay.
Last but not least, I did not take the knuckles to a gun shop today. I had every intention to have it looked over as I am still a bit anxious to confirm that it is not loaded, however after receiving a couple of private messages from members on this board, I decided not to. I was informed that if I took it in to a gun shop, there was a possibility that I could be arrested on the spot. So in the safe it will go until I figure out a way to dispose of it in a safe manner. Any suggestions? Bury it?
BTW, I swear I am not trying to clog up this board.
BTW, I swear I am not trying to clog up this board.
"Cold, dead hands" springs to mind:
"The only legal thing to do would be to call BATFE and offer to surrender the weapon pending a review of its status. If they decide it is an AOW you will lose it, but if they rule in your favor you would get it back." "Lastly it may be considered an AOW by the ATF in which case, you may need to turn it in. [ed. If they know about it.] The only legal thing to do would be to call BATFE and offer to surrender the weapon pending a review of its status. =====>If<===== they decide it is an AOW you will lose it, but if they rule in your favor you would get it back." " I was informed that if I took it in to a gun shop, there was a possibility that I could be arrested on the spot. So in the safe it will go until I figure out a way to dispose of it in a safe manner. Any suggestions? Bury it?" [ed. And beware, 'But I'll take you off the spot, and bury it for you' offers. You might have heard those IF you had gone to a gun-shop.] P.S. delete all of your posts here. I'm not suggesting any illegalities be done. Just do nothing. It may be too late for tin-foil.
"The only legal thing to do would be to call BATFE and offer to surrender the weapon pending a review of its status. If they decide it is an AOW you will lose it, but if they rule in your favor you would get it back." "Lastly it may be considered an AOW by the ATF in which case, you may need to turn it in. [ed. If they know about it.] The only legal thing to do would be to call BATFE and offer to surrender the weapon pending a review of its status. =====>If<===== they decide it is an AOW you will lose it, but if they rule in your favor you would get it back." " I was informed that if I took it in to a gun shop, there was a possibility that I could be arrested on the spot. So in the safe it will go until I figure out a way to dispose of it in a safe manner. Any suggestions? Bury it?" [ed. And beware, 'But I'll take you off the spot, and bury it for you' offers. You might have heard those IF you had gone to a gun-shop.] P.S. delete all of your posts here. I'm not suggesting any illegalities be done. Just do nothing. It may be too late for tin-foil.
WOW! way to completely freak me out. Please let me know how to delete a post asap. I have a lot of plans for the holidays, none of which include jail.
WOW! way to completely freak me out. Please let me know how to delete a post asap. I have a lot of plans for the holidays, none of which include jail.
I forgot to mention that a police officer has seen the knuckles. Our home was broken into last year and the officer that came and took the report noticed them when I opened the safe. He was pretty easy going and simply inquired about them. I informed him that they were from a family members estate and that was the end of it.
WOW! way to completely freak me out. Please let me know how to delete a post asap. I have a lot of plans for the holidays, none of which include jail.
I forgot to mention that a police officer has seen the knuckles. Our home was broken into last year and the officer that came and took the report noticed them when I opened the safe. He was pretty easy going and simply inquired about them. I informed him that they were from a family members estate and that was the end of it.
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Am I the only one who has noticed what looks like a weld between the bottom "pipe" and the top "knuckle?" I don't think they had welding machines in 1918, did they? I wonder if this is something homemade. Even a gun at all, maybe a homemade pair of knuckels?
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It's not at all likely you will be arrested for trying to find out what this is, your chances of that greatly increase if your trying to hide something. At this point you don't even know if it's a firearm. Any competent gun smith should be able to examine the thing and tell you what it is, if it is not legal the ATF will take it off your hands, or tell you how to make it legal.
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It's not at all likely you will be arrested for trying to find out what this is, your chances of that greatly increase if your trying to hide something. At this point you don't even know if it's a firearm. Any competent gun smith should be able to examine the thing and tell you what it is, if it is not legal the ATF will take it off your hands, or tell you how to make it legal.
That's not accurate.
And, yes, that looks like a weld.
Hi Lears75,
You have already unscrewed the 'Knob' from the Tube aspect of the Steel-Knuckles, where, all you have to do is look through the hollow tube of it from the Knob end, and, if there was a Cartridge in it, you would see it.
If you can look through the Tube part from the Knob end, with the Knob unscrewed, and see through it, then, there is no Cartridge in it, and, hence, it is not 'Loaded'...if..."if" this thin is even a sort of Gun at all.
I doubt any Gunstore would know anything whatever about this sort of thing, even if it is a sort og Gun...few of them even know anything about average stuff.
You have already unscrewed the 'Knob' from the Tube aspect of the Steel-Knuckles, where, all you have to do is look through the hollow tube of it from the Knob end, and, if there was a Cartridge in it, you would see it.
If you can look through the Tube part from the Knob end, with the Knob unscrewed, and see through it, then, there is no Cartridge in it, and, hence, it is not 'Loaded'...if..."if" this thin is even a sort of Gun at all.
I doubt any Gunstore would know anything whatever about this sort of thing, even if it is a sort og Gun...few of them even know anything about average stuff.
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I just reviewed the images...
I thought the end Knob had been unscrewed to show the internal Threads of the Tube, but, I see now that it is the open end which is shown in the images, as having internal Threads.
This makes no sense if this was intended to somehow fire a Bullet.
Nor can I find anything permitting the Knob to be cocked and or released to fire a Cartridge.
Bore or interior diameter of the hollow Tube aspect, looks a whole lot like .45 or so, and, definitely not .22 or .32...far as that goes.
I thought the end Knob had been unscrewed to show the internal Threads of the Tube, but, I see now that it is the open end which is shown in the images, as having internal Threads.
This makes no sense if this was intended to somehow fire a Bullet.
Nor can I find anything permitting the Knob to be cocked and or released to fire a Cartridge.
Bore or interior diameter of the hollow Tube aspect, looks a whole lot like .45 or so, and, definitely not .22 or .32...far as that goes.
Yes, the fact that the open end looks threaded made me think it might take a screw-in cartridge from some sort of pen gun like one of these:
http://www.fightingknives.info/Default.aspx?tabid=844
http://www.fightingknives.info/Default.aspx?tabid=844
I had a family member take a look at the knuckles over the holiday weekend and he informed me that there was a pin? inside.
I have been wanting to unscrew it and take a peek and this afternoon when all of the children were out, I did exactly that. The photos were taken from far away so the quality is horrible, but hopefully this should help determine exactly what it is.
So, what do you think?
I have been wanting to unscrew it and take a peek and this afternoon when all of the children were out, I did exactly that. The photos were taken from far away so the quality is horrible, but hopefully this should help determine exactly what it is.
So, what do you think?
rcmodel
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Most assuredly a firing pin / firing mechanism of some sort.
See if you can pull the flanged end part out of the threaded part against spring tension?
Does it snap back when you let go of it?
If so, it's a zip-gun sort of spring striker assembly for sure.
rc
See if you can pull the flanged end part out of the threaded part against spring tension?
Does it snap back when you let go of it?
If so, it's a zip-gun sort of spring striker assembly for sure.
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