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Did he have a mullet and a wife beater shirt to compliment his atitude?

I am with the "legal, but use some disgression" bunch.

This guy is a moron and poster boy for the "guns are wrong" crowd.

A bit od discretion is always in order.

We called it situational awareness in combat.
 
This stupidity is a gift to the brady bunch types. Any rational human being will be alarmed by this behavior. I for one support 2A rights, and enjoy them accordingly. But here is the news. Honest to God, I'd vote to ban these types of weapons OCed in public in the manner he just did. And Eh, make painting illegal while you are at it. I am sure there are a lot of people out there who think like me or are willing to go farther still. Those saying legal is legal, way to go to slowly undermine your own rights. I am just one pro-2A guy willing to cast my vote with the anti's on this. And that is just the point many here are making too, even if they probably wont say what I just said. :banghead:
 
Just like how the common man does not need a machine gun. Step by step it is all going to end if we start banning what people supposedly do not need.
 
This has nothing to do with what he does or does not need. Its all about deceit and intimidation factor.
 
I don't see much of an argument here...

I haven't noticed anyone here who believes this clown's actions should be made illegal.

Many of us believe this guy is foolish, childish, immature and generally making an ass of himself. By behaving in this fashion, he is acting in opposition of the purpose of The High Road. He is not promoting responsible gun ownership. He is instead acting in a fashion calculated to whip up opposition to our second ammendment rights.

Remember, the second ammendment can be changed if anti's can whip up enough support and political clout. This clown's actions help the anti's whip up exactly the sort of emotional response that may ultimately wear away our 2nd Ammendment rights.
 
Sometimes we gun owners are as bad as the gun banners when it comes to living in our own little dream world. Our dream world consists of RKBA and Right to Self-Defense and Heller ruling. Somehow all of that is supposed to be a magic elixor that shields us and our "rights" from public opinion.

Well, unfortunately the real world of our "rights" in our current political setup is made up of two universal truths:

1. What is constitutional or unconstitutional depends upon the decisions of the supreme court rulings. The individuals on that court are appointed by the political party in power at the time of an opening on that court.

2. The enforcement of laws that either regulate or protect our rights depends upon how vigorously the politcal party in power chooses to view the importance of a particular law. A law can be pushed far past it's original intent or it can be conveniently ignored or enforced in such a lax manner that it is in effect non-existent.

(I do recognize that our govermental system has checks and balances, but when any party has a huge majority for an extended period of time, those checks and balances are greatly weakened.)

Given the above and the fact that the political party in power depends upon public opinion, it behooves us to get our heads out of the clouds of "Our Rights" and recognize that "stupid is as stupid does".

I currently live in Tennessee and have watched the S - L - O - W progress of the state govermental process to allow handgun carry in general and, just lately, legal handgun carry in our state parks in Tennessee. We can argue forever about how this clown's actions were legal and his right to do so. The fact remains that it would take very little movement of the mainstream of Tennesse voters to put us right back to the days when state parks were off limits to handgun carry. The majority of Tennessee voters are neither pro-gun or anti-gun. They can be gently pushed in our direction with common sense arguments or abruptly pushed in the other direction by sensationalism by the news media.

IMHO (well, maybe not too humble :rolleyes:) we can choose to drink the kool-aid of our omnipotent "legal rights" or we can choose to step away from the actions of individuals such as this person. If we choose to defend his actions, we aid and abet the potential defeat of political candidates that are favorable to gun owners in general. If we step away, we will move him to the group of fringe elements that do not represent gun owners in general.

As one of my least favrorable radio personalities used to say, "That's my opinion, it ought to be yours!".
 
I think open carry of a rifle shortened into an oversized pistol, is stupid, especially if done for shock value, or compensating for a half-roll of nickels.
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Agreed

An AK is an offensive weapon, and when pressed into a defensive roll is overkill and counterproductive to RKBA.
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Couldn't disagree more. Those of us who carry do so as responsible citizens with protection of oursleves and family in mind. A 9mm or 45 acp handgun can be carried comfortably and concealed, but if i knew I was going to be in a gun fight those handguns would be the last thing I would be armed with. You can bet I would have a rifle or shotgun. If in a defensive situation having the best offensive weapon is a huge advantage.
 
Sometimes we gun owners are as bad as the gun banners when it comes to living in our own little dream world. Our dream world consists of RKBA and Right to Self-Defense and Heller ruling. Somehow all of that is supposed to be a magic elixor that shields us and our "rights" from public opinion.

Well, unfortunately the real world of our "rights" in our current political setup is made up of two universal truths:

1. What is constitutional or unconstitutional depends upon the decisions of the supreme court rulings. The individuals on that court are appointed by the political party in power at the time of an opening on that court.

2. The enforcement of laws that either regulate or protect our rights depends upon how vigorously the politcal party in power chooses to view the importance of a particular law. A law can be pushed far past it's original intent or it can be conveniently ignored or enforced in such a lax manner that it is in effect non-existent.

(I do recognize that our govermental system has checks and balances, but when any party has a huge majority for an extended period of time, those checks and balances are greatly weakened.)

Given the above and the fact that the political party in power depends upon public opinion, it behooves us to get our heads out of the clouds of "Our Rights" and recognize that "stupid is as stupid does".

I currently live in Tennessee and have watched the S - L - O - W progress of the state govermental process to allow handgun carry in general and, just lately, legal handgun carry in our state parks in Tennessee. We can argue forever about how this clown's actions were legal and his right to do so. The fact remains that it would take very little movement of the mainstream of Tennesse voters to put us right back to the days when state parks were off limits to handgun carry. The majority of Tennessee voters are neither pro-gun or anti-gun. They can be gently pushed in our direction with common sense arguments or abruptly pushed in the other direction by sensationalism by the news media.

IMHO (well, maybe not too humble :rolleyes:) we can choose to drink the kool-aid of our omnipotent "legal rights" or we can choose to step away from the actions of individuals such as this person. If we choose to defend his actions, we aid and abet the potential defeat of political candidates that are favorable to gun owners in general. If we step away, we will move him to the group of fringe elements that do not represent gun owners in general.

As one of my least favrorable radio personalities used to say, "That's my opinion, it ought to be yours!".
 
It's bad. Unfortunately in the eyes of many this young man represents ALL gun owners. The way we conduct ourselves can determine how people view all gun owners and while it's no point in caring about the anti gunners we do need to worry about the undecided voter with no real knowledge of guns. We need to be safe, professional and courteous.
 
He's not that young.....just saying. :uhoh:

I went and read this guys postings at other forums. He IS looking for attention AND I am amazed this guy is able to own firearms with his incredible lack of common sense he has demonstrated. I would think it likely a person with this extreme level of POOR judgment would have ended up in jail for something by the age of 37.

First, he decides he will open carry a weapon that, he knows, many people will not think is classified as a pistol. (He didn’t say that but it’s a no brainer that very few people will look at that and think pistol, (because it doesn’t look like a pistol) even it seems LEOs and DAs)

Secondly, he goes out dressed in camo with the pistol strapped to his body using a harness. Gee that won’t get a rise out of anyone right? I mean no one would be scared of some guy who looks like a militant walking around with a weapon that looks just like the one everyone has seen in war footage. WOW just crazy.

Thirdly, HE PAINTS THE TIP OF THE BARREL BLAZE ORANGE!!! Why would he do that? So people (the police) won’t shoot him because he has a gun. Uhhmmm……that’s so out there I can’t even start to understand his reasoning.

What did it get him? A 12 gauge shotgun aimed at him and being ordered down on the ground, then having his weapon removed and THEN held for 2.5 hours while LEO’s tried to sort out if the gun was legal or not. (BTW earlier that day he said he drove to the airport and went to the gas station also)

WHAT AN IMBECILE!! :banghead:

My prediction is if he does go to the other park next week he will be arrested for something. Right or wrong the LEO’s will find something to get him on to keep him from walking around like that. AND there will be legislation in the works to reclassify that gun.

BTW I have to say what a ridiculous gun that AK 47 pistol is. It may be the ultimate spray and pray design.

Poorly trained troops with bad tactics must love that thing.:rolleyes:
 
It is legal to dress up in Klan regalia and walk the streets of Compton.
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that made me laugh out loud

Obviosly this guy wants attention. Unfortunatly, we are playing right into his hand even discussing this matter. But it needs to be discussed. This guy is hurting RKBA in the most profound way possable. people see this as one the so called "responsable gun owners" terrorizing innocent people in the park with his military-style-armor-piercing-cop-killer-supper-high-power-assault-weapon. my god they make an AK PISTOL?!?!?! does bloomburg know about this? we need to ban these right away!

the gun ban crowd couldn't have come up with a better idea to help take away our 2A. the idea that they did is a bit paranoid IMHO. they wouldn't want to risk getting caught. In the words of the coca cola chairmen "were not that smart, and we're not that dumb."

The thing that bothers me most of all though, is that he painted his weapon to trick people into thinking it's an airsoft toy. Not sure what it's like where this person lives, but if you walked arround many nieghborhoods I've lived in, especialy in los angeles, like say you went into macarther park wearing camo with a "fake" gun, and the wrong person saw you, you would AT THE VERY LEAST be hassled by gangbangers, and probobly beaten up and have your toy taken away from you. you might even be killed. In this case it sounds like he might be hoping something like that happens so he can unload his toy on them.

This person makes me think all sorts of non high-road thoughts about him. It doesnt take much for most people to say "there oughta be a law!" this guy might single handedly get the right of open carry taken away in tenesse. Maybe there should be a law agianst painting an orange tip on the barrel of your gun. or at least, open carrying such a thing. i hate to say something like that, i know people are going to give me a lot flack about it. It's a very slippery slope i know but if it helps our RKBA in the long run...
 
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Go sit at the back of the bus. If you don't use your rights you lose them!

I don't see the point of open carry, but if its legal for him its legal, and he's free to carry what suits him, not you. That's the point of Freedom.

--wally.
 
Honestly, I kind of agree with wally on this one.^^^

From a political perspective, it is destructive to RKBA for this guy to walk around like a zombie hunter.

But... the flip side of the coin is that there shouldn't even be any RKBA issues. The constitution ought to be respected. Those of us who are law-abiding are no more dangerous to the general public with rifles or shotguns than we are with handguns, but we are forced to take a backseat to the whims of criminality.

I can defend my home with a shotgun -- the best defensive weapon.

On the streets, the defense of my self and family is religated to the use of this relatively diminutive 1911.

Honestly, I feel that we law-abiding citizens should be able to pack rifles and shotguns... preferably concealed, of course.

This guy's actions were, in the modern political climate, anti-gun by default. However, he was also an extremely hard target for crime...

Where do we draw the line? Where indeed, when that line generally affects only the law-abiding?

I would hate to think that my service to this great nation could be perverted into LESS liberty for her citizens. How many Iraqis did I have to kill to buy our reduced ability to defend our own children? How is it that this war on terrorism has become a fear campaign with the explicit purpose of disarming AMERICANS?

Difficult issue, but at least I know who's side I'm on.

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It's legal for the guy to open carry the AK pistol. Good for him.

I've seen people in Arizona open carry AR pistols at a resturant and they were never hassled by LEOs.

However, the guy painting the tip of the firearm orange is stupid and he admitted that he painted it to confuse LEOs. :banghead:
For that reason alone, I feel the guy is intentional provoking the media & law enforcement to create a stonger anti-gun and anti-open carry movement.
 
Legal? Yes. Bad for publicity? Yes too.

What ever floats your boat, I guess. Personally, I prefer to CCW quietly, not shout at the top of my voice: "I gotta gun." I also do not enjoy having a shotgun held by a Park Ranger leveled at me to prove a point. That scenario holds a real possibility of ruining a quiet hike in the woods. I also do not prefer to be detained and shaken down by LEOs who do not understand the law. Another sure way to ruin your day.

I am a firm believer in RKBA, but I also appreciate the efforts by the gun supporting community that have restored our right to carry. I guess at my age (62), I don't feel it's necessary to poke people in the eye anymore.
 
I think some people are missing other people's point. I haven't hard a single person say he shouldn't be allowed to open carry. our problem isn't so much what he is doing, it's how he is going about it, and how it's effecting the way sheeple percieve us. it doesnt mean we don't think he should be ALLOWED to do it, it means we think he an idiot and we want him to stop.

Go sit at the back of the bus. If you don't use your rights you lose them!
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I disagree. I see plenty of black people sitting at the back of the bus when i ride it. It doesnt mean they are going to lose the right to sit in the front. In the words of a moderator, just because i don't "don a string bikini, sling 5 shotguns across my back, and go shopping at WalMart while yelling Ezekiel 25:17 at the top of my lungs," doesn't mean I'm going to lose my right to freedom of expression. nor will i lose that right if i choose not to speak at all. Rights are not like sick days, you don't use them or lose them.
 
Maybe he's a bit misguided, but still, he was within the law. Even if he painted the tip orange, it wasn't illegal to do so, just inadvisable. Last I checked, according to everyone but Bloomberg we can paint our guns however we want and in whatever colors we want.

With all the steam CCW has picked up among the general populous in the past few years, this guy's legal idiocy isn't even a speedbump in the road to CCW expansion.
 
An AK is an offensive weapon, and when pressed into a defensive roll is overkill and counterproductive to RKBA.
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No an AK is a tool, that can be used for multiple roles. You are buying into the same crap the anti's use.
 
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere an everywhere restrains evil interference"
George Washington. Seems some don't want this today, or only certain firearms, in certain places, under certain circumstances, ...Chicago doesn't allow AK47 pistols in thier city, or any firearms to be "anywhere an everywhere"...other than the most murders of any city in the U.S., its probably a nice town? But a guy who legally carry's for whatever reason commits no crime....hmmmm....I don't know....you would think George was a rebel wouldn't you, a nut case...who on earth would want firearms anywhere an everywhere?
 
Hey, I know! Let's all hang our heads in shame because someone exercised a right. Let's all hide in the corner lest someone notice. Let's all castigate the man for having the courage to stand where too many of us barely dare to crawl.

As for me, I want my rights respected. If I don't stand proud and tall when I exercise any right, I'm viewed as a snake, crawling through the grass, looking like I'm trying to get away with something when I'm truly standing up for what's right.

My advice is to stand tall, knowing you're right, be proud of your stand, bear no shame, and you'll earn respect for the right.

Woody
 
For those of you who believe this man was bravely exercising a right, perhaps you should travel to the same park and do the same thing?

I have the right to do a lot of things - that doesn't make it right. What happens when I walk up to you and your wife at the mall and tell her she's hot and I'd like to bang her? Are you gonna be proud of me for exercising my right to free speech or are you gonna punch me in the nose? There are a lot of stupid people in America screaming about their right to do this or that - how about the guy that used a pile of dog poop to build a statue of Jesus? Of course that was his right - freedom of speech and religion and all that. But probably offensive to a whole bunch of people. And what about the guy that wipes his butt with the Koran? Absolutely within his right to do this, but millions of Muslims around the world would - literally - kill him if they knew where to find him (funny how people only exercise their rights when they know that the system they mock will protect them from the real world, isn't it?).

While I completely disagree with the notion that gun owners are a "band of brothers" that need to stick together (because we can't agree on anything), suppose for a second that we were that band of brothers. If so, I sure don't want the clown with the AK to be my spokesperson. Heck, I wouldn't want him to be my neighbor. I wager to say we haven't seen or heard the last of this guy and his poor decision making skills. Some of the posts I've read on the net are already talking about how he wants to sue somebody for something. He'll either get shot dead or get locked up next time around, I'd bet.

danbrew
 
In an ideal world, we should be able to open or conceal carry any type of weapon we'd like. We all agree that laws prohibiting possession and carry of firearms are completely asinine and utterly worthless for stopping armed criminals anyways.

That is not the world we live in.

"It's legal, and I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks" is the exact OPPOSITE of the entire RKBA movement! Swaying peoples opinions and votes to our side is the very function of activism. The 2nd amendment would be long dead by now if everyone trying to support it had this attitude.

This guys is belligerent idiot who's going to do far more harm then good.

Scaring ignorant people by dressing like a mall-ninja-Rambo-reject is not the way to support our rights.
 
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