Is Whether Or Not You Can Legally Carry The Deciding Factor On Where You Go?
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I will not carry a gun in places where it would be illegal or even unwanted if at all possible. I will not willingly patronize stores or restaurants that post some type of "No Guns" sign even if it is not the legal formats.
Common courtesy overrides the minimal risk of not having a firearm.
Common courtesy overrides the minimal risk of not having a firearm.
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I don't know. The bill hasn't made it out of committee yet.
Hypothetically if I go to church next week and it's posted "No Carry" I'm going to lock my gun in my car and go to church.
Their house, their rules.
Whether or not I can carry a gun isn't a Doctrinal issue and it's not (in my eyes) a valid reason to leave a church.
^The preceding is my opinion, based strictly on property owner's Rights. I have no intention of debating Doctrine.
1. Maybe. It depends. When it is time to apply for Medicare, in less than three years, if it still requires a personal visit, I will have to leave weapons at home, or locked inside a suitable container inside our vehicle. Same thing, when I apply for Social Security benefits, if I am still around, then. (I am not planning to off myself, by age 70; I simply choose not to be presumptuous.)
2. I do not have a “favorite artist” that does concerts. I can visit the Grand Canyon, while carrying.
3. Now and then, I simply choose to do something, without bringing a firearm with me. No mobile phone, no firearm, no belt/holster, perhaps no shoes, perhaps no form of identification, perhaps absolute minimal clothing; no “whatever,“ that I choose to leave behind. I need to clear my mind, now and then. (Think of it as a “lite” version of Moses going up Mount Sinai, or, a “lite” version of going into The Garden to pray.) If I can choose to carry almost nothing, for my own reasons, then, certainly I can choose to leave just the guns and ammo behind, when the law, or “house rules,” forbid carry of firearms.
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CapnMac
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It's a factor for me. Just not a binary decisive one.
Some of that is professional--I have to go to various City Halls to argue Zoning and Development cases for my clients. These are explicitly GFZ, so I don't get a choice there. There are large alumni events that are "must attend" for me, virtually all of these wind up being gun free as well. Work requires me to travel by air as well, and that must needs be gun-free (and checking a bag for a daytrip is a bit absurd).
Like weddings and funerals, there are obligations in life that cannot be set aside.
And, those obligations wind up being as strictly binary as armed/unarmed.
It's a complicated question that will resist a simple solution (or absolute resolution, too).
For those who can live a life where they can make that decision without undue consequence, I applaud them.
Some of that is professional--I have to go to various City Halls to argue Zoning and Development cases for my clients. These are explicitly GFZ, so I don't get a choice there. There are large alumni events that are "must attend" for me, virtually all of these wind up being gun free as well. Work requires me to travel by air as well, and that must needs be gun-free (and checking a bag for a daytrip is a bit absurd).
Like weddings and funerals, there are obligations in life that cannot be set aside.
And, those obligations wind up being as strictly binary as armed/unarmed.
It's a complicated question that will resist a simple solution (or absolute resolution, too).
For those who can live a life where they can make that decision without undue consequence, I applaud them.
AlexanderA
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If you make the ability to carry a gun your litmus test, than that pretty much takes international travel off the table for you. Most countries that are worth visiting are quite strict about who carries guns. Hint: it isn't you.
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There's no place outside of the United States that I'm willing to go, armed or not.
I have a bone deep fear of being away from home and having something happen that shuts down the system so I can't get home.
A gun has nothing to do with that
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Yep, haven't gone to a local baseball game since the installed metal detectors. Parking is in a poop hole part of town and I'm just not going if I can't carry.
Old Dog
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I feel that I'd be missing out on a great deal that life has to offer if I went only to places where I could legally carry a firearm. And I feel that I've got a lot of life left, and a lot of bucket list activities I want to do as well as places to see.
I couldn't take a carry handgun when swimming with dolphins (and more'n a few sharks) or diving shipwrecks.
Don't pack when downhill skiing (though I tried it once).
Couldn't carry in any of the foreign countries I've visited as a private citizen, while seeing some of the most beautiful sights on earth, including some of the Seven Wonders.
I like taking in the occasional live NFL or college football game as well as MLB and NHL games.
I love live music.
Wouldn't have been able to attend my oldest daughter's awesome destination wedding in a tropical setting.
Although I'm covered in 50 states, as a retiree, I'm restricted to only what licensed in those states private citizens are allowed.
Doesn't bother me anymore.
Some may be content with voluntarily making their world smaller. Me, not so much.
Only on the internet do so many seem to believe the only effective weapon for self-defense that they possess is a firearm.
I couldn't take a carry handgun when swimming with dolphins (and more'n a few sharks) or diving shipwrecks.
Don't pack when downhill skiing (though I tried it once).
Couldn't carry in any of the foreign countries I've visited as a private citizen, while seeing some of the most beautiful sights on earth, including some of the Seven Wonders.
I like taking in the occasional live NFL or college football game as well as MLB and NHL games.
I love live music.
Wouldn't have been able to attend my oldest daughter's awesome destination wedding in a tropical setting.
Although I'm covered in 50 states, as a retiree, I'm restricted to only what licensed in those states private citizens are allowed.
Doesn't bother me anymore.
Some may be content with voluntarily making their world smaller. Me, not so much.
Only on the internet do so many seem to believe the only effective weapon for self-defense that they possess is a firearm.
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I reckon it's about the same number of people that believe the only "effective" weapon for defending hearth and home is the firearm they're actually wearing every waking moment. Wait - it's probably the same people.
On gun forums, ABC, Always Be Carrying*
*Unless it would keep you from seeing a ballgame, concert, or some other "entertainment".
Well, just have to ramp up the situational awareness, use the weapon between your ears.
And those sound like things that could be said to rationalize not carrying wherever.
*Unless it would keep you from seeing a ballgame, concert, or some other "entertainment".
Well, just have to ramp up the situational awareness, use the weapon between your ears.
And those sound like things that could be said to rationalize not carrying wherever.
Old Dog
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What I have found, in my experience over the years, is that 98% of self-defense encounters are best resolved with any combination of a good bit of training and experience in some form of striking martial art, good verbal skills, wearing shoes that are easy to run in, or a club, sharp stick or good-sized rock.
What I find telling (and often disturbing) is that once many folks start carrying a firearm, too many become unwilling to consider, or train in, other force options.
While I do prepare for that 2% of encounters that might necessitate a lethal force option on my part, I don't feel hopeless when not carrying such, nor will I allow it to dictate my daily routine.
I do carry a firearm everywhere legally permitted (and on principle, try not to patronize businesses that are known anti-gun or posted), wear one most of the time, and even keep one in my bathroom.
What I find telling (and often disturbing) is that once many folks start carrying a firearm, too many become unwilling to consider, or train in, other force options.
While I do prepare for that 2% of encounters that might necessitate a lethal force option on my part, I don't feel hopeless when not carrying such, nor will I allow it to dictate my daily routine.
I do carry a firearm everywhere legally permitted (and on principle, try not to patronize businesses that are known anti-gun or posted), wear one most of the time, and even keep one in my bathroom.
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I couldn't have said it better. My youngest son plays high school basketball and is a huge Milwaukee Bucks fan, especially of Giannis. We go to 2 to 3 games per year and have a great time there. I won't tell him we won't go because I can't carry in their stadium. My oldest son races cars as a hobby, often at a track just over the border in Illinois where I can't carry. We go to his races and the same applies, where I won't tell him I'm not going because I can't carry in Illinois. I carry whenever possible but won't miss out on activities with my sons and grand daughters because they take place somewhere I can't carry.
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Self defense starts with the mind. The tools change with conditions.
Self defense starts with the mind. The tools change with conditions.
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I have a hard time with this because I don't go to ball games or concerts.
The last concert I went to was a strings duo that none of you have ever heard of called Acoustic Eidolon at Glen Erie Castle and I was, in fact, carrying a gun.
But I would have gone gun or not. Just as we haven't been back gun or not because the room was too crowded for our taste.
I make it a rule not to so much as go to the mail box unarmed but if I thought it was likely that I'd need a gun between my couch and the mailbox I wouldn't go at all.
I don't know how to say this because I don't want to throw out the "living in fear" thing but if you let whether or not you can carry a gun someplace dictate the limits of your life, that gun is causing far more problems than it's like ever likely to solve
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I carry everywhere that isn't actually illegal, and since "No guns allowed" signs don't have the force of law in my state, that means most businesses. I have a small NPE carry pistol for those occasions, but if I'm ever made and asked to leave, I will do so. Hasn't happened yet, and I expect it never will. I DO avoid places with metal detectors.
My Bullmastiff and German Shepherd are afraid of the ocean, they will refuse to get into the water; that is fear.
Like my dogs, I would basically refuse to get into the ocean much past my knee because sharks are in the water, they have the advantage and teeth; that is fear.
I would not refuse to go to a hospital because I can't carry. Oh, but that doesn't count because, whatever...
For 19 years I worked where carry was a felony, KY schools. Did I like being disarmed everyday? Absolutely not. Was I in fear because of it? No.
Carry is a privilege I have living in the USA that I (as a regular citizen) would likely not have anywhere else in the world.
I did a job for 19 years that deprived me of that privilege; what made it sting even more was that I had been a cop before and could carry nearly everywhere.
When I say I avoid places I can't carry it is not fear; I will go if required or if I want to bad enough - that ain't fear it is that I prefer to be armed.
Fear= I will not do that (like my dogs refusing to get in the ocean). I would refuse to pick up a rattlesnake, that is fear.
Preference = I don't like it but will do it if I want to bad enough or required (dogs getting toenails trimmed).
Do I think I "need" a gun to go to the mailbox? No. Do I usually have one on me? Yea.
Do I think I "need" a gun to go to Publix? No. Do I usually have one on me? Yea.
Would I go to Wal-Mart disarmed? Yea, but I don't have to.
I prefer to be armed.
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You're moving goal posts
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I own and carry a very discreet ccw.
That being said.....I generally obey the laws.
(Maybe not the rules)
That being said.....I generally obey the laws.
(Maybe not the rules)
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Gunbuster signs are meaningless here. You have to simply leave if asked, or else you can be trespassed. Out of sight, out of mind, don't ask, don't tell, and everyone is happy and none the wiser.
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Sometimes it's unavoidable, but I actively discriminate when possible against any business/location that advertises/posts anything against 2A or carrying.
You said, "living in fear"
Lets go with the word you used.
The belief the something is dangerous, or a threat; if we didn't think that we would never carry.
Apparently, since you carry you are living in "fear" when you do.
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