If you don't carry......start.

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Hey everyone. I wasn't sure where to post this but I wanted to share it. I have been putting off getting my carry permit because the time runs over a class of mine.....tomorrow I will be skipping that class to take the course after what happened today.

I was getting out of the car at my FFL's place and had just closed the locked door of my car when I saw in the reflection on the window a man standing right behind me. I spun around in a fighting stance and he backed up a bit. He then asked for some money, which I refused to give. He started to get noticeably angry when I was trying to unlock the door with one hand. Thankfully, another person drove up and he walked off quickly. No violence occured, but if it had turned bad then I would have been cut off from my pistol as it was locked in the car. I will never be in that position unarmed again.

If you do not carry at all times.....start.
 
What? You were about to pull out your gun because he "looked angry"? Please, do us all a favor and cancel your CCW class.
 
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What? You were about to pull out your gun because he "looked angry"? Please, do us all a favor and cancel your CCW class.
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WRONG!!

Take that class. It will not only teach you HOW to legally carry, but more importantly WHEN you can legally use your weapon, and in what situations drawing your weapon is allowed by law. Training is a more important tool to have than a gun.

Advising someone NOT to take a training course is some of the worst advice you can give.

Please, do us all a favor and re-take your CCW class. Elitism isn't High Road, nor is it a valid part of RKBA.
We should be teaching others, not discouraging them.
 
What? You were about to pull out your gun because he "looked angry"?
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I read nothing about pulling a gun.

Having one, however, might well have been prudent, and I think that was the point of the OP.
 
What a first post, need to rethink your idea, granted someone looking angry is not a reason in of its self, to draw your weapon, but it is a reason to set off your alarm bells, it could have easily escalated. The ccw course helps to understand when you can draw your weapon and when you can use it.
 
You are right and I apologize for my elitist attitude. It just pisses me off when I see someone so eager to get to their gun when the situation doesn't even warrant it. Part of being a responsible CC is to practice self-control and being able to diagnose a situation in an intelligent manner. A firearm should be a last resort. Just because some homeless guy gives you a look doesn't mean you should be rushing for your firearm. I will be getting my CC permit soon as well but I think a person should evaluate themselves as to whether they are actually ready to CC or not. Lets say you did unlock your door and retrieved your gun; then what? Are you going to point it at him and tell him to get away? Even if the homeless man just SAW the weapon, he could call the cops on you and say you were brandishing a weapon with no valid reason.
 
WRONG!!

Take that class. It will not only teach you HOW to legally carry, but more importantly WHEN you can legally use your weapon, and in what situations drawing your weapon is allowed by law. Training is a more important tool to have than a gun.
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Good advice.

Adopting a good mindset is key, as well. That defensive mindset will server you well whether you are armed or not.
 
No you're putting words in my mouth. I said that if he HAD gotten violent then I was cut off from my pistol. I want to carry IN CASE someone attacks me, not to provoke them to. Also I am well aware of both the legal and common sense use of force. Thanks for your suggestion though.
 
Understood. I never said it was bad practice to have a defensive mindset. I guess I'm just wound a little tight due to all the reading I've done on numerous gun forums and how readily someone is to use their firearm if someone even looked at them funny.
 
part of being a responsible CC is to practice self-control and being able to diagnose a situation in an intelligent manner.
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Don't I know it!? I let an incident slide yesterday that had me fuming, all because if I had said something...I would have been going out of my way and I would have been the aggressor. Not really the intelligent thing to do when you are carrying IMO. Really chapped my hide...I'm still a little furious.
 
I hear ya. People can be <> sometimes but rest easy knowing that if some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage, you're the one that's going to be saving their *** and they will be kissing your feet for it. (not implying this is why you carry or should be the reason for a person to carry)
 
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A demonstration of why on-body carry is superior in every way to "car carry".

Get your permit, take any classes you can find, and get some good carry gear. There is no reason a free citizen shouldn't be armed if they damn well please, permitting is an evil we're forced to endure for now.
 
Doesn't sound to me like he wanted to shoot a guy for looking at him angry. Sounds to me like he wanted the means to protect himself from the angry looking guy, should the angry looking guy decide he wanted to get violent
 
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Understood. I never said it was bad practice to have a defensive mindset. I guess I'm just wound a little tight due to all the reading I've done on numerous gun forums and how readily someone is to use their firearm if someone even looked at them funny.
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No harm done. (sorry Im on here via mobile web and posted twice by mistake)
 
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Am I the only one that thinks this might be more of an SA issue that an "I need a gun" issue?
 
This is (IMHO) pretty typical. Some times it takes getting the bejebbers scared out of you to make and take corrective action. :eek:

I know it did for me and several others. :D

Luigi, stuff happens. Especially in parking lots due to dwell time needed to park and get out of or into your ride.
 
I see nothing wrong with wanting a weapon in that situation.

First of all the post said nothing about pulling his weapon in that situation. What he did say is that he was being followed and potentially cornered by a man who when confronted acted in a aggressive manner.

I do agree that this is not a situation which requires immediate use of a gun, but it would sure make me want to get my concealed carry weapon
 
While nothing in that story would have warranted even drawing a gun, it did make me think of this story I just read http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=12963421. In sum, it was panhandler stabbing a guy.

I wasn't there and cannot say how I would have felt in that situation. As a general comment I think it is possible to realize from an experience that didn't take a turn for the worse that it could have.
 
Luigi, stuff happens. Especially in parking lots due to dwell time needed to park and get out of or into your ride.
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That's fine, I agree but I still think SA would have served him better than a gun in this instance
 
To play devils advocate, not all CCW classes teach you the ins and outs of concealed carry and the associated laws. My class simply had a guy give me a website where all the FL gun laws were present, said I was responsible for knowing all of them, then had me fire 15 rounds into a target at 15 feet and signed the form I needed to show the Dept of agriculture. Fortunately in my case, I took it upon myself to research all laws, and do all necessary research and "Temperance Training" I cannot say the same for all the others there.
 
Ahh the fine art of reading what the OP actually wrote....funny how often that happens.

BUT yes I too have been disturbed by some postings about how and when people would use their gun. I think a lot of people really do think they have the RIGHT to shoot someone if they just FEEL threatened in some way. Then they always say that "better judged by 12 the carried by 6" line, like that makes it OK. (It would be OK if I never heard/ read that line again)

Yeah it scares me this attitude in some people out there.
 
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