Israel attacking Lebanon

[Camp David]

I post the following from another discussion board and from another writer; I did not write it but I wish I had... it expresses precisely the right sentinment now and I thought I would share it with THR members =>

Israel Strikes Back Hard
"They aren't playing around. There's so much to be said on this that I'm only going to mention one aspect, which will never be brought up by our beloved left wing, Bush hating MSM: How much different does this new war play out without Saddam Hussein in charge of Iraq? As intended, the US has taken one of the main threats out of the picture. As for Iran, they've not so cleverly outsmarted themselves. As the prime moving force behind Hezbollah and Hamas, they thought they could run a proxy war and keep themselves at a distance, while distracting the world from their own nuclear shenanigans. But there's a limit. Israel can kick Hezbollah around all they want, and Iran can do nothing directly. The first time a single Iranian holding a weaon makes a move towards Israel directly, Israel will take out their entire nuclear infrasructure in one big blaze of airstrikes. Russia and China will say nothing, and Europe will aplaud. Go Israel. Hit these b'turds hard."

Precisely!

 

[cbsbyte]

If Israel attacks Iran you can bet most Western nations and the UN will denounce the act. Rightfully so. You have to understand most Western countries besides the US, and Britian are siding with the Palestinians and the terrorist orginizations. And guess who started this whole war in the middle east 50 years ago by taking rightfully owned country away from one peoples and giving it the another. The only two supporting nations of Israel, Britian and the US.

Look at the situation this way. If Canada took over Texas, then let the minority population of Mexicans rule it anyway they wanted. Sounds fair?

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

They'll denounce it with a wink, wink, nudge, nudge, just like when Israel took out Iraq's nuclear facilities.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

And what "rightfully owned country" are you talking about? Ever read any history? To whom did it belong?

 

[carebear]

cbs,

Might want to look a little deeper into Britain's history with Palestine. They attempted to defeat the Partition plan in '48 and on a governmental level were far more concerned with maintaining good relations with the Arabs for oil than they were with helping a bunch of complaining Jews whose murderous thugs kept killing their soldiers.

Before Partition they actively worked to enforce the arms and immigration embargos against the Jews in Palestine and continued to enforce the UN embargo on weapons to the State of Israel after Partition while casting a blind eye toward the illegal arming of the local Arab population (who had never had a country of their own designated before or after Partition) by neighboring Arab states.

The US wasn't really pushing partition either, they more or less went along with it because the "rightness" barely outweighed loyalty to an ally and the possibility of difficulty getting oil later.

The most ardent supporters of Partition were other small nations, that the rest of the Commonwealth voted against Britain's stance was considered remarkable.

 

[cbsbyte]

It belonged to the Palestinians for about a 1000 years. I guess they don't have any claim on the land? Remember the Muslims took it from the Chrisitan Crusaders in 1099 and they are the majority of the peoples in the new country of Israel. I guess we should just give back the US to the Native Americans because they lived on it for 10,000 years before white european settlers forcefully took it from them.

 

[RS2]

And guess who started this whole war in the middle east 50 years ago by taking rightfully owned country away from one peoples and giving it the another.

cbsbyte, look up World War I, it was in most of the history books.

 

[carebear]

cbs,

You need a little more detail to your history.

Define "Palestinian"? It isn't a distinct tribe nor has it ever been a nation, just the name of a region and the peoples who happened to live there at one point.

If you want to go back in time and use religion, the Local Jews lived there from about 4000BC to the present day. Local Christians (not white europeans, Semetic Christians) lived there from 33AD to the present day. The local various Arab and Phoenician and a dozen other distinct Pagan, ZoroAstrian, Mithradist and other ethnic tribes lived there even longer. They became the original Jews and Christians of the region and some (who survived the internecine tribal warfare, the repeated invasions from the East (Persia, Parthia, Babylonia), the Jewish, the Roman (Christian Empire period), the Muslim, the brief Crusader and then the Muslims again) are still practicing their distinct beliefs today.

The Arab tribesmen who were the first followers of Mohammed and who became the political elite everywhere the Empire spread weren't locals to the region, they invaded from the South and East (Arabia) of the region of Palestine. Islam came about, by the way, in about 650AD. When Islam came to Palestine it was invading an area that had been (original flavor, Roman, then Byzantine) Christian for hundreds, and Jewish or Pagan for thousands, of years.

By the relatively late era where Britain becomes a factor is after the Muslim Ottoman Empire collapses after WWI and Britain takes the protectorate of Palestine as a shield to Egypt and the Suez. They found it far easier to deal with the various distinct and non-nationalized, relatively backward Arab tribes in the region rather than force them to form a nation/state the tribes had zero interest in. The Arabs of Palestine never saw themselves as "Palestinians".

Until the Jews moved into what was blighted, neglected country and started improving it, gradually increasing immigration until the Brit's saw the Arab concerns and started putting the kibosh to it. Didn't want to upset their cousins with the oil. Even then, the Arabs just wanted the Jews kept down, I'm not aware of a statehood push by any of the tribes. Most were too busy jockeying for local power and control of Jeruselum to get the prestige of being Muktar of the Holy City.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

History

Propaganda, or a good, one page overview?

http://www.middleeastfacts.com/Articles/myth-of-the-palestinian-people.php

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

No "Palestinian" People Exist

Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:


The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.


That's pretty clear, isn't it?


The above quote is from the following article on World Net Daily:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28222

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

Well, whatever you think of the players in this fight, it sure is gratifying to see Bush's "muscular" Middle East policy bearing fruit. I don't know why I ever doubted that bringing "democracy" to Iraq would set the dominoes in motion to bring about a peaceful region...

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

The Fix

Golda Meir had it right:

Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us.

 

[Preacherman]

Folks, this has gone WAY beyond on-topic L&P discussions.