Jim March just finished Filming "the debate show"

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Jim, a call from their lawyer is a really good sign that they're taking you seriously! I'm really glad to see that. His response is pretty much what you'd expect at this point--"Hey Hollingsworth, why don't you call this guy and see if you can get him to calm down? Maybe we can finesse him and he'll go away." Once they realize that you're not going away, then they'll go to Plan B.

Unfortunately, my guess at Plan B is a preemptive lawsuit suing you for breech of contract before you sue them. But, then again, they might just roll over.

Good luck, and you have my deepest gratitude for all that you do.
 
"[you] will rue the day"

I can't believe Mr. Mancus used that phrase in the letter. That's awesome. I think he's my new hero.
 
Excellent work Jim. Keep us posted, and we will keep our eyes open for these vermin trolling other spots for more victims. Have you made contact with the other people that were on the show? Those who were not actors were undoubtedly lied to as well, and may want to join your lawsuit.


If you have any other ideas of what sort of names, keywords etc that these peope might be using in their hunt for future victims that haven't been posted yet, be sure and post those too, so that we can keep our eye out for that.

Here is one that I found on a google search

TV Debate Show seeks LA area guests to argue about reality TV. ...
... Reged: 10/07/03. Posts: 4. Loc: hollywood, ca, USA. TV Debate Show seeks LA area
guests to argue about reality TV. 10/07/03 11:29 AM, Edit, Reply to this post Reply. ...
bbs.hollywoodreporter.com/ showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB6&Number=7788&page=0&view=collapsed&... - 14k


but following the link to the hollywood reporter gets


"We cannot proceed.

There was a problem looking up the post in our database.

Please use your back button to return to the previous page.


Contact Us | Privacy statement The Hollywood Reporter "

But anybody who checks out the Hollywood reporter should keep an eye out for them.
 
TheOtherOne:

GREAT idea, just did exactly that. Thanks!

Also, the "Hollywood Reporter" broadcast is relatively early, and is one of the few instances where they used the blurb about "This show features real people instead of the usual experts and pundits". They also told at least one other prospective guest this on another show this (for the "obscenity in Hollywood" episode), but NOT me.

Both myself and Andres Soto are professional activists, which they knew going in. Another they were considering was Sam Parades of Gun Owners Calif, another pro.

So they took a different approach on the gun issue than they did with others. So far I'm not aware of any other pros recruited for or aired on the show *except* for the gun episode.

Very odd, that.

Another thing: the particular anti-gunner they "pitted me against" (camo hat boy) wasn't entirely acting. They've told me several times now that he does in fact hold strongly anti-gun positions. Which I well believe; he put a LOT of hardcore bitterness into his approach. Susan Marie Weber in contrast describes a more "playful, silly" tone on her episode, and the actor "pitted against her" didn't "go for the throat".

My guy on the other hand...:eek:

The sumbich literally had me in fear for my life once that dang rock came out.
 
As to Peter Mancus:

http://www.equalccw.com/peter/

http://www.billstclair.com/liberty.html

Besides being just plain friends, Peter and I have this "deal" going - I help him with his computers on a fairly regular basis, and I get to ask him legal questions whenever I want :).

This is the most extensive legal work he's done for me to date, and he did it free so far. A full-tilt lawsuit for damages would be a contingency deal, but I'd still have to cough up some expense money. Let's hope things don't go that far but if they do, I'll cover it if I have to live on ramen a while :D.

(No, that's NOT a solicitation for funds: first, I think they'll cave if they're smart, second, it's quite possible I've got some good cash coming from another source that'll more than cope.)
 
Jim.

If it becomes necessary to obtain funds please don't hesitate to ask. I will be among the first to fire off a check to you. I am sure a great many more here will do the same. We are with you and wish you every success. Give 'em HELL!!!

PATH
 
I get to find out whether or not I'll be worth at least a couple million in just under a month. No, it's got nothing to do with this. Don't ask, I can't talk about it. And it's driving me even more bonkers than this stupid show :mad:.
 
"The sumbich literally had me in fear for my life once that dang rock came out."

Don't know if this matters, but was that rock real? When I was a kid I bought a fake rock, a tad bigger than a softball, but made of very soft, easily 'squish-able' foam. It looked like it came straight out of a granite quarry. Could not have weighed more than an ounce or two.

The reason I ask is this; if it was real, you maybe could use that against the 'producers' for actually putting your life in danger. If it was fake, then the whole show was OBVIOUSLY misleading, and they then would not have a leg to stand on. Either way, you could use it to your (great) advantage.

Just a thought, and good luck.
 
http://thedivorceforum.com/

Watch Susan Allan as a panel member and expert on marriage and divorce for The Debate Show produced by Viacom and airing on the MTV Network in July, 2004.


http://www.hollywoodlitsales.com/guestbooks/6/board6.shtml
4/19/04
Writer: Axxx Bxxxx
Paid Writing Experience: "Crank Yankers," "The Debate Show," "Defending Your Date" (all Comedy Central)
Produced credits:
Other Writing Experience: Won writing contests including Scriptapalooza, American Accolades and Acclaim
Type of assignment wanted: Television, film, sketch, re-writes, etc.
Worked on assignment before?
Will you work for backend money only?
Specialty: The eggs.
Representation: United Talent Agency
Email: [email protected]
Contact Info:
 
rkt88edmo

I saw that one when I did a Copernic search but the one I like best is the guy whose ad is right below his. It was good for a laugh.
4/18/04
Writer: Robert T. Jones
Paid Writing Experience: I have various awards . On my writing stlye and technique, I have recieved complements and praise. I am the writer of the future. Taking risks is a honor.
Produced credits: none
Other Writing Experience: none
Type of assignment wanted: all types , verstile
Worked on assignment before? no
Will you work for backend money only? no
Specialty: I write dark and light witted. I like climatic action. Comicly I make situation humorous material.
Representation: Robert T. Jones
Email: [email protected]
Contact Info:
I guess the "writer of the future" whose "writing stlye" is so praiseworthy will be composing tomes replete with misspellings, punctuation errors, poor sentence structure, and grammatical gaffs; and who likes to write about weather action. I wonder if he was one of the writers on "Day After Tomorrow". There was plenty of "climatic action" in that one.
 
The rock in question looked real.

He was also "white knuckling it" while making throwing/hammering motions (plus literally "growling/snarling"). I'm 100% sure it was real. Remember, he'd brought other "props" to this mess, including the penis pump :barf:.
 
The fraud that was commited against Jim March by the production company, ethics issues outright pornography and racist issues would make any reasonable person angry. The production company may in fact have broken the law as it relates to FCC broadcast license restrictions on what a radio or TV station or network may or may not do and still retain their license.

IIRC, there is a public complaint procedure, where the public (us) can make written complaints to the FCC regarding license issues and programming at any radio TV station or network.

People who know more than I on those things may wish to look into the FCC license rules and regs...

Giant

Keep up the good work Jim March. The work you do is like a life saving beacon on a very dark night.
 
IIRC, there is a public complaint procedure, where the public (us) can make written complaints to the FCC regarding license issues and programming at any radio TV station or network.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think those regs apply here because this wasn't being done by, or on behalf of, a broadcast station. Because the public airwaves aren't being used, I don't think an FCC license is required.

That said, there sure seems to be some fraudulent behavior on the part of the production company, which I would think would be actionable.

-twency


_________
"The parent who complained, Karen Young, doesn't want fish-shaped toy guns in her house because she accidentally shot an ex-boyfriend one time when the gun she was beating him with went off."

edited for punctuation -twency
 
freaking liberal magott infested vd sucking whores

Same as above. Jim is a great voice for us caught in this travesty of a state. I would be highly pissed! If they degrade him in any way.

But I will personally by him many beers. For having the nuts to speak out for us. I had back surgey three days ago. So I am house bound for a couple of weeks. I have been harrassing the local polititions about stupid things I see. Lots of letters. My rep is Honda. Dem from hell. Point is. If they are going to make him look bad. Lets call and write the gooch lickers untill they back off and cut him out of the show. But I doubt he would allow himself to be trapped...
 
The saga continues here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=1072874

Oh and Sarge, many thanks but...I don't drink :).

The latest is that we got a letter from a senior Viacom lawyer basically asking "what show are you talking about?"

I got Peter's opinion today that it won't be a problem posting our reply:

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Peter J. Mancus
Attorney at Law
Victorian Square
876 Gravenstein Ave. So., Suite 3
Sebastopol, CA 95472
Tel: (707) 829-9050
Fax: (707) 824-1885
[email protected]

June 18, 2004

Joseph R. Molko, Esq.
Senor Counsel
Business and Legal Affairs
MTV Networks–A VIACOM Company
1515 Broadway
New York, New York 10036

RE: JIM MARCH’S OBJECTIONS

Dear Mr. Molko:

Thank you for your June 10, 2004 letter in which you asked me to supply you with the name of the television show which Jim March, my client, has complained about. As my May 28, 2004 letter to VIACOM’s CEO, Sumner Redstone, stated, Mr. March objects to how VIACOM’s agents committed a fraud against him regarding the true nature and content of the show they taped with him in it. Mr. March himself, and, via me, has now made timely, formal, repeated demands that he be 100% edited out, visually and audibly, from any broadcast or dissemination in any form of the taped show involving him, by anyone for any reason at any time.

Unfortunately, the exact name of the show is one of the matters in dispute. At a minimum, there appears to be compelling grounds that VIACOM’s producers and agents fraudulently misrepresented to Mr. March the name and nature of the show that included his participation, all as part of a deliberate pattern of deception.

Since I already gave you the date of the taping of the show, the location of that taping, and the names of VIACOM’s agents who mislead Mr. March, I am surprise that that information is, per you, inadequate for you “to investigate the issues raised†in my first letter to you. Nevertheless, taking you at face value that you do have a legitimate need for more information to investigate the issues I raised in my first letter to you, I now share with you below additional information, per your request, in the spirit of amicable cooperation.

Facts:

1) At all times, VIACOM’s agents told Mr. March that he was to appear on a television show called “The Debate Showâ€. He was told at various times that this was to air on “MTV†or “The MTV Networkâ€. These representations were made verbally at multiple times by the show’s producers, on “questionnaires†Emailed to Mr. March in MS-Word document format and just before the show on a “release†which he signed. The names of these VIACOM agents are: Erika Euler-Quinn (she sometimes identified herself as “Erika Quinnâ€), someone named “Justin†(her supervisor/boss?) and a “Jeffâ€. The latter two never gave their last names.

2) Mr. March was not given a copy of the “release†at the show; he signed it and gave it back to Erika Quinn in the dressing room. I have been faxed a copy of this alleged “release†by another VIACOM attorney. Mr. March confirms his signature on page two of this release; however, he is unable to confirm the authenticity of page one of the alleged release. Mr. March believes that page one of the release was not the page one that was part of what he reviewed and signed. Reformulated, he believes that after he signed the releases, and after he communicated his objections to the VIACOM agents who misrepresented everything to him, and after he demanded that he be given a copy of the release, that someone working on VIACOM’s behalf switched page one of the release and, after making that switch, has made an inaccurate, false attribution to Mr. March, namely, that page one of this alleged release that was given to me is a copy of the same page one of the same release that Mr. March signed.

That issue aside, assuming for the moment that the release as faxed to me is otherwise authentic [e.g., there has been no switch of page one,] the first page contains information that the show is “tentatively†titled “The Debate Showâ€, and is dated 5/18/04 (the date of my client’s appearance for taping of the show).

Mr. March felt “rushed†when the “release†was in front of him, and every time he glanced down at it Erika Quinn “verbally explained it to him†in a way that is contrary to what is stated on page one. Quinn was present in the room the entire time Mr. March saw the “releaseâ€.

3) Mr. March did reasonable “due diligence†before traveling down to Burbank, California for the taping. Mr. March was a professional computer technician before becoming a lobbyist. Before going to Burbank for the show’s taping, he used “google searches†to confirm that a show called “The Debate Show†existed. He found such evidence on a website called “standingroomonlyâ€. The exact URL (Universal Resource Locator, an “address†on the Internet) was:

http://standingroomonly.tv/debateshow/

This website appeared to Mr. March to be a distribution site for audience tickets for various authentic television shows, most of which are well known. See also: http://www.standingroomonly.tv

The part of this website devoted to “The Debate Show†referred to the program by that name, along with the text “On MTVâ€. This led Mr. March to assume authenticity for this show’s name and network, and the title of the show involving the taping of him would, indeed, be “The Debate Show.†The very name, “The Debate Show,†strongly implies a serious, calm, focused, rational debate of a rather high level cerebral content. That title and the implication of that title appealed to Mr. March as a lobbyist. That title, and those implications, motivated Mr. March to agree to participate in such a show of that nature. But the show he participated in was the opposite as to tone, nature, and content.

4) On returning home from the taping of the show to which Mr. March strenuously objects, Mr. March did further research and found references to a show entitled “Crossballsâ€, in development and scheduled to be aired on Comedy Central. According to various TV-industry news sources, this show was planned as a “spoof†of the typical talk-show format. Further support for this was a press release posted to the Comedy Central website, dated February 18th 2004, repeating the show name of “Crossballs†and that it was planned as a comedy/parody.

5) Sometime after 5/21/04 [which is when Mr. March documented what had happened to him,] the portion of the “standingroomonly†website devoted to “The Debate Show†was taken down. Mr. March, however, had already made extensive “electronic snapshots†of this site. He can reconstruct its visual appearance at any time. The fact that this sub-page on “The Debate Show†was removed from the Standingroomonly site after Mr. March objected to the fraud committed against him raises further suspicions. The removal of this sub-page with its arguably lie to the public is consistent with a belated cover up attempt.

Based on the above, I assume that the real name of the show as reported to VIACOM and/or Comedy Central or other managers for your client is “Crossballsâ€, and that that name, with its unique content and tone, was always the true format for the taping of Mr. March’s participation and that VIACOM’s agents who dealt with Mr. March knew this at all times and failed to make this full disclosure to Mr. March.

Mr. March’s position is simple: The “release†he signed was designed as part of a larger fraud designed to dupe Mr. March and to prevent him from timely knowing that he was to appear on a parody/spoof that he never would have been involved in if VIACOM’s agents had made a full disclosure to him. As part of this deception, the “release†(if I’m seeing an authentic copy, which I cannot conclusively concede) appears to have used a fraudulent show name. To exacerbate matters, this release is worded in such a way to state that VIACOM went out of its way to get Mr. March to sign an agreement wherein Mr. March agreed that VIACOM may deceive him to his severe prejudice, to get him to participate in a taped show contrary to what was represented to him originally and right up to the taping itself. If VIACOM’s agents had functioned ethically and fairly with Mr. March, namely, if they had made a full and complete disclosure to him about the true name and nature of the taped show involving him, VIACOM would not have any need for a “release†that states, essentially, VIACOM may make material, disingenuous misrepresentations and outright lies to you and may also withhold material information from you, to deceive you, and, even though we functioned fraudulently, there is not a damn thing you [Jim March] can do about it simply because you [Jim March] signed this type of a release.

If VIACOM’s agents had not engaged in a pattern of material misrepresentation against Mr. March, VIACOM would have no need for the type of release that one of its attorneys faxed to me, representing same as a copy of the one Mr. March allegedly read, signed, and approved.

Bottom line: Mr. March’s position is this: 1) The release faxed to me and represented to be the one Mr. March signed is not the one he read and approved, as to page one; 2) Mr. March is a victim of VIACOM’s agents’ pattern of fraud and deception, to his severe prejudice; 3) This release is legally worthless–the fraudulent inducement vitiates the legal validity of the release. In that sense, the release is built on a foundation of quicksand, namely, VIACOM’s agents’ fraud; 4) In this sense, the release is contrary to public policy and unenforceable; and 5) The release is itself a material exhibit in the evidence of fraud committed against Mr. March.
I urge you to compare the press release on the show’s name of 2/18/04 with the “release’s†apparent rendition of the show’s name on 5/18/04.
Mr. March reiterates that your client does not have a valid release, nor does your have his permission to use his likeness, video image, audio track or similar in any way, shape or form at any time.

Please conduct a prompt, thorough investigation.

Please communicate timely the result of that investigation.

With kindest regards, and with appreciation for your anticipated professionalism, integrity, and prompt cost-time effective resolution of this dispute to Mr. March’s satisfaction, I remain,

Sincerely,

Peter J. Mancus

cc: Jim March
 
Jim,
Justin's last name is Roiland and he is the associate producer. Ericka is listed as the segment producer. That's the info that I have from an email I received when this whole thing started.
 
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