50 Shooter
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It was Roiland in the email, don't know if he screwed up his own name.
Jim March just finished Filming "the debate show"
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Sportcat
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Go to viacom.com
Do a search for "crossballs"
when the document comes up, do a "find" for crossballs
Do a search for "crossballs"
when the document comes up, do a "find" for crossballs
feedthehogs
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Passion for a cause sometimes clouds our judgement and allows us to become victims.
Lies and deceit are just the rules of the game.
Hopefully we learn and go on, never to be fooled again.
Lies and deceit are just the rules of the game.
Hopefully we learn and go on, never to be fooled again.
Jim March
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Sportcat: you DO realize that at no time before the show was I given the name "Crossballs", right? And it was only after my airing and my vocal complaints all over the 'net that we started to see websites containing both the word "crossballs" and the phrase "the debate show" from official sources.
NOW they're telling prospective participants that they'll be appearing on "The Debate Project"
. Can't have 'em googling "the debate show", now can we? 
And starting with a June 16th press release, Viacom has *renamed* the program's full official title to "Crossballs: The Debate Show", probably as part of an effort to torpedo any future lawsuit by me:
http://www.uprightcitizensbrigade.com/news.php?id=10
NOW they're telling prospective participants that they'll be appearing on "The Debate Project"
. Can't have 'em googling "the debate show", now can we? And starting with a June 16th press release, Viacom has *renamed* the program's full official title to "Crossballs: The Debate Show", probably as part of an effort to torpedo any future lawsuit by me:
http://www.uprightcitizensbrigade.com/news.php?id=10
Jim March
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Oh, and just LOOK what we find at the home page for the "UprightCitizensBrigade":
http://www.uprightcitizensbrigade.com
Anybody here still think the hatchet job they did on me was just "par for the course"? (What I mean is, they treated me FAR more brutally than they did other "guests" that I've talked to.)
(Oh, and I have ALL these sites "snapshotted" in Acrobat Writer as PDFs, datestamped, etc. I fully expect 'em to take that Kerry bit down but it won't matter.)
http://www.uprightcitizensbrigade.com
Anybody here still think the hatchet job they did on me was just "par for the course"? (What I mean is, they treated me FAR more brutally than they did other "guests" that I've talked to.)
(Oh, and I have ALL these sites "snapshotted" in Acrobat Writer as PDFs, datestamped, etc. I fully expect 'em to take that Kerry bit down but it won't matter.)
jimpeel
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Jim
You might want to get your lawyer to demand a copy of the schedule for commercials for "Crossballs" to see if they are using your image in the commercials and teasers for the show debut.
You might want to get your lawyer to demand a copy of the schedule for commercials for "Crossballs" to see if they are using your image in the commercials and teasers for the show debut.
Gun Wielding Maniac
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http://www.uprightcitizensbrigade.com/news.php?id=10
LOS ANGELES, June 15, 2004 -- COMEDY CENTRAL introduces a new take on the traditional debate show format, where comedians pose as experts and debate real people who don’t know the show is fake. Out of the Crossfire, beyond Hardball, this is Crossballs: The Debate Show, premiering Tuesday, July 6 at 7:30 p.m. Each half-hour episode will debut on Tuesday through Thursdays for eight consecutive weeks.
"Crossballs," hosted by Chris Tallman, puts unsuspecting real people, experts in their field, against characters played by comedians in a heated debate on current issues. The show includes other bogus elements, including fake TV magazine stories, commercials, and additional “experts†who appear via phony satellite feeds. Shot in front of a live audience, “Crossballs†is a smart, comedic spoof of programs such as “Crossfire,†“Hardball with Chris Matthews,†and the entire Fox News Network.
...........
In the debut episode, the heated debate is on Reality TV. Besser plays a Reality TV star who believes that true actors are “liars†and says it takes more talent to eat bugs than act. Also, Andrew Daly plays a mentally challenged, wannabe reality star who doesn’t understand why he can’t volunteer to be pranked on a hidden camera show. They debate against real experts, a professional actor of stage and screen and a casting director for Reality TV shows, who are outraged and baffled but never realize the whole show is a joke.
In the second episode, Besser portrays a driving instructor who teaches “offensive drivingâ€, and believes women should not be allowed to drive SUV’s. Jerry Minor plays a taxi driver who claims he’s mastered the art of drunk driving. When the discussion turns to the topic of elderly driving, Mary Birdsong argues that the elderly “unlearn†how to drive as they get older, and at age 55 should be forced to paint their cars bright orange to identify themselves.
No mention of gun control yet.
LOS ANGELES, June 15, 2004 -- COMEDY CENTRAL introduces a new take on the traditional debate show format, where comedians pose as experts and debate real people who don’t know the show is fake. Out of the Crossfire, beyond Hardball, this is Crossballs: The Debate Show, premiering Tuesday, July 6 at 7:30 p.m. Each half-hour episode will debut on Tuesday through Thursdays for eight consecutive weeks.
"Crossballs," hosted by Chris Tallman, puts unsuspecting real people, experts in their field, against characters played by comedians in a heated debate on current issues. The show includes other bogus elements, including fake TV magazine stories, commercials, and additional “experts†who appear via phony satellite feeds. Shot in front of a live audience, “Crossballs†is a smart, comedic spoof of programs such as “Crossfire,†“Hardball with Chris Matthews,†and the entire Fox News Network.
...........
In the debut episode, the heated debate is on Reality TV. Besser plays a Reality TV star who believes that true actors are “liars†and says it takes more talent to eat bugs than act. Also, Andrew Daly plays a mentally challenged, wannabe reality star who doesn’t understand why he can’t volunteer to be pranked on a hidden camera show. They debate against real experts, a professional actor of stage and screen and a casting director for Reality TV shows, who are outraged and baffled but never realize the whole show is a joke.
In the second episode, Besser portrays a driving instructor who teaches “offensive drivingâ€, and believes women should not be allowed to drive SUV’s. Jerry Minor plays a taxi driver who claims he’s mastered the art of drunk driving. When the discussion turns to the topic of elderly driving, Mary Birdsong argues that the elderly “unlearn†how to drive as they get older, and at age 55 should be forced to paint their cars bright orange to identify themselves.
No mention of gun control yet.
Sgt Stevo
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puke slurping anti gun roadkill larvae inbreds
Let me know if you need a few bucks to shaft these mutant nutsacks. this ALMOST makes me angry. I might tell em how I really feel.
Let me know if you need a few bucks to shaft these mutant nutsacks. this ALMOST makes me angry. I might tell em how I really feel.
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Put me down as a volunteer as well, Jim, Anything you think we can do.
David
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You may have already covered this with your lawyer, but it strikes me that your biggest leverage in this whole mess is the guy with the rock.
If he was an "employee" of the show (or otherwise "in on" the deception), it seems to me you have a really strong course of action against them due to the fact that an "employee" of theirs put you in fear of bodily harm.
If the "rock guy" is NOT an "employee" of Viacom etc., it would seem you still have a good point to stick in them legally due to their negligence in creating an unsafe work environment and / or their participation in the conspiracy to create the tauma they caused you to suffer by their actions.
Have you considered filing a police report against the "rock guy"?
I seem to have heard that in many states it's a crime for one person to threaten the life of another person, and since you were feeling threatened enough to be prepared to defend yourself with a knife, what happened would certainly seem to qualify (and you have video tape as evidence!).
The farther the police take this, the more likely ViaCom is to either hand you big gobs of cash, or at least never air your episode and maybe cancel the series.
Good luck!
If he was an "employee" of the show (or otherwise "in on" the deception), it seems to me you have a really strong course of action against them due to the fact that an "employee" of theirs put you in fear of bodily harm.
If the "rock guy" is NOT an "employee" of Viacom etc., it would seem you still have a good point to stick in them legally due to their negligence in creating an unsafe work environment and / or their participation in the conspiracy to create the tauma they caused you to suffer by their actions.
Have you considered filing a police report against the "rock guy"?
I seem to have heard that in many states it's a crime for one person to threaten the life of another person, and since you were feeling threatened enough to be prepared to defend yourself with a knife, what happened would certainly seem to qualify (and you have video tape as evidence!).
The farther the police take this, the more likely ViaCom is to either hand you big gobs of cash, or at least never air your episode and maybe cancel the series.
Good luck!
feedthehogs
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I guess most of you guys grew up in the burbs where mom and dad only let you play with rubber balls.
We threw rocks at each other for fun.
To be in mortal fear for your life because some low rent comedian picked up what appeared to be a rock and motioned it in your direction is really stretching it.
While I was not there, I find it pretty hard to get a life threatening experience out of what I read.
Jim got punked. Forget it and move on.
What else could possibly ever been imagined to come from MTV networks?
Serious entertainment?
All this lawyer talk is the reason tort reform is needed.
We threw rocks at each other for fun.
To be in mortal fear for your life because some low rent comedian picked up what appeared to be a rock and motioned it in your direction is really stretching it.
While I was not there, I find it pretty hard to get a life threatening experience out of what I read.
Jim got punked. Forget it and move on.
What else could possibly ever been imagined to come from MTV networks?
Serious entertainment?
All this lawyer talk is the reason tort reform is needed.
Jim March
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I wasn't worried about him throwing the rock, I was worried about him straight-up smashing me over the noggin with it. He was only 5ft or so away.
As to "tort reform" - waitasec here. They lied to me and trashed my professional reputation for profit and the advancement of THEIR political opinions.
If they actually broadcast that crap, I'm going to nail them for every penny possible.
What they did was called a "contract law violation". They presented me with a contract which both contained fraud and was based on other fraud (both verbal and their "questionaires"). Even under the most radically Libertarian/Anarco-Capitalist political theories, contract law has to remain an enforcable principle or it's not possible to have business dealings.
To allow these clowns to get away with this would be a horrible thing to do to our society.
As to "tort reform" - waitasec here. They lied to me and trashed my professional reputation for profit and the advancement of THEIR political opinions.
If they actually broadcast that crap, I'm going to nail them for every penny possible.
What they did was called a "contract law violation". They presented me with a contract which both contained fraud and was based on other fraud (both verbal and their "questionaires"). Even under the most radically Libertarian/Anarco-Capitalist political theories, contract law has to remain an enforcable principle or it's not possible to have business dealings.
To allow these clowns to get away with this would be a horrible thing to do to our society.
Jim March
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For those who've asked what they can do to help:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88314
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88314
BluesBear
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Are they still filiming episodes?
Perhaps someof our members who live in the area could attend a taping.
Just as the taping starts they could produce banners than say something to the affect of "This is a hoax!" It's a setup" You are debating professional Comedians"
It would slightly disrupt the taping and wopuld alert the honest experts that they were being duped.
Another option would be to lawfully assemble outside the studio and peacefully picket the proceedings. Once you got on the news and in the newspapers it would be difficult for MTV to find more victims.
Perhaps someof our members who live in the area could attend a taping.
Just as the taping starts they could produce banners than say something to the affect of "This is a hoax!" It's a setup" You are debating professional Comedians"
It would slightly disrupt the taping and wopuld alert the honest experts that they were being duped.
Another option would be to lawfully assemble outside the studio and peacefully picket the proceedings. Once you got on the news and in the newspapers it would be difficult for MTV to find more victims.
Jim March
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Taping ended June 3rd - which is why the "uprightcitizensbrigade" page spilled the whole beans June 16th:
http://www.uprightcitizensbrigade.com/news.php?id=10
http://www.uprightcitizensbrigade.com/news.php?id=10
Felonious Monk
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Re: "the rock guy"...could they have been hoping you would draw a weapon as a part of their mockery of the "Neanderthal, redneck RKBA types"?
Unleash hell, Jim.
Re: "the rock guy"...could they have been hoping you would draw a weapon as a part of their mockery of the "Neanderthal, redneck RKBA types"?
Unleash hell, Jim.
Amish_Bill
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Has anyone been able to find other 'fraudulent guests' who might be interested in finding recourse?
Jim March
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Funny you should mention that.
I've talked extensively to two other people who were on the show, and read reports by a couple of others. While this isn't the COMPLETE list, so far it appears that *nobody* else was treated anywhere near as bad as I was, and I'm the only one (that I know of) who wants to back completely out of the show via threats of legal action.
Now, some have suggested that's because I don't have a sense of humor.
I don't see it that way...I think that in most cases, they were mostly civilized but when they got to "the gun guy" the rules went totally out the window and they went flat-out crazy.
I could be wrong, but...it matches what I know so far.
I've talked extensively to two other people who were on the show, and read reports by a couple of others. While this isn't the COMPLETE list, so far it appears that *nobody* else was treated anywhere near as bad as I was, and I'm the only one (that I know of) who wants to back completely out of the show via threats of legal action.
Now, some have suggested that's because I don't have a sense of humor.
I don't see it that way...I think that in most cases, they were mostly civilized but when they got to "the gun guy" the rules went totally out the window and they went flat-out crazy.
I could be wrong, but...it matches what I know so far.
JackShandy
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I checked out the link to the UprightCitizensBrigade, and couldn't help but notice that there's no mention of the gun episode. (You'd think it would be popular enough to list.) Don't know if that means anything, but is there a chance they won't air that show?
Hawkeye755
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I just saw a commercial for Crossballs last night. They are pretty up front about it now saying that they con experts into debating with commedians posing as "experts".
They didn't have anything on what the episodes would be about.
They didn't have anything on what the episodes would be about.
I saw a commercial for it today, and I'm 99% sure they've used a clip from the gun control episode in it. They have a guy wearing a camo hat saying something like "a big penis is always respectable" (paraphrasing here), which given Mr. March's descriptions of the fiasco sounds exactly like "camo boy". If an opportunity springs up, I'll try and record the ad if it comes up again and put it on the internet.
UberPhLuBB
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When does it air? What day and time? I saw one commercial last week but I don't recall the air date, and havn't seen any more commercials since.
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