Jury finds NRA officers violated responsibilities

[nvcdl]

When I visited the new building just after it opened, they couldn't offer me a seat because the guy I went to see didn't any furniture.

The top guys at NRA enriched themselves while ordinary staffers received mediocre salaries.

 

[usaral63]

Yep Danny, Ido....also have a military DAV qualification as well................but that crap aside...........what is your suggestion? Total abandonment of the association, total dissolution of the association.....or just throw rocks all day!

C'mon, this was supposedly hi road and and a thoughtful, progressive discussion, not wether one is on medicare or ss or whatever..............THAT is not right, and you know it!

Beyond all that the verdict is IN..........it has been decided, now what is the path forward, what?

 

[old lady new shooter]

If there's someone that thinks this was a fair trial and venue, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. You all loved WLP when he stood up to Obama after Sandy Hook. Now you all hate him for his clothing allowance. And the DA got what she ran on, destroying the NRA.....

She RAN on destroying the NRA, but the decision orders WLP to pay back the NRA several million dollars. I'm sure that wasn't what she had in mind.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Well, Buck, after well over thirty years in a municipal gov't position I can assure you that what happened with LaPierre is not at all a surprise. Elected commissions/boards/whatever, effectively surrender their perogatives and therefore their duty to that man on the white horse....be he a city or county manager or what have you...... In theory, I once bought in to the "professional manager" view, and after being exposed to it's truly dark side I realized that one would have to look long and hard to find any real example of ethics in Government. I, for one, would far rather have "Gomer" at first base than some so called expert pulled from a roster of like types. That "Gomer", the local fella, can and will be UNELECTED when he screws up or screws the wrong folks, that "manager" plays the game to garner support and is the ultimate smoke blower. T

Those that are elected by the subject group are those that OUGHT to manage........not some hireling from a management group! His loyalty will never lie with you, but rather himself!

Whatever guilt LaPierre holds applies in spades to the NRA board itself.

To have an NRA that actually represents us we need to get the by-laws changed.

 

[old lady new shooter]

It seems like if the NRA members were dissatisfied with WLP they could decide to elect someone else. Why does Letitia James need to stick her nose into the internal workings of the NRA? Probably it is because she can and she dislikes them. Maybe we should stick our noses into her business ...

The existing by-laws foreclosed such a solution, rank and file are only allowed to pay in, not to have any actual voting power or say. We get to vote on a slate pre-selected by the existing board, big deal.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Ironically, ousting WLP may end up saving the NRA. WLP seemed to do good things earlier in his career, but the last decade or so have been a mess, apparently.

One ironic observation is that because the political left left is organized largely top-down, they tend to view non-leftists the same way. Hence, they see this or that candidate on the right as a “leader” with “followers”, etc. on the gun issue, they see NRA as the source of opposition to gun-prohibitionist ideology, with “followers” that simply parrot its positions, rather than seeing NRA as an instrument of gun owners’ collective will.

Tge result of that is that the left thinks if they think if they can only knock off the NRA’s leadership, opposition to “gun control” will dissipate. Whereas in fact opposition to “gun control” comes from 80 to 100 million gun owners plus others who value their right to choose on the issue, and the NRA is merely one tool among many delegated by gun owners to fight for their civil liberties in the legislative sphere.

If the NRA were to dissolve tomorrow it would have little effect on gun politics, since other organizations would be tasked to carry the load (and honestly that has pretty much what has been happening over the past decade or so, as the NRA has seemingly gotten distracted and sidelined by WLP’s missteps, and I suspect that a post-WLP NRA with meaningful leadership reforms will see a resurgence of membership, a sharper focus on protecting people’s rights, and greater effectiveness rather than less.

Probably part of the reason that all the other organizations even came into being and attracted members was that people were fed up with what the NRA had become. So the left are stupid if they believe WLP was the head of the snake. SAF, GOA, FPC are all doing great work.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Likely Ms. James could find fertile ground exploring several other corporations from the pro bono aspect........ie: CORE/NAACP or try several of the ones Soros funds.

Not to mention BLM, which was recently found not to have contributed even one penny to political candidates despite declaring that was one of their main functions.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Wondering (if there is one) what the Directors and Officers insurance policy will do?

Usually those don't cover for criminal convictions.

 

[old lady new shooter]

He was just some leader who could not keep his hands out of the cookie jar.

Put "leader" in quotes.

 

[dannyd]

Yep Danny, Ido....also have a military DAV qualification as well................but that crap aside...........what is your suggestion? Total abandonment of the association, total dissolution of the association.....or just throw rocks all day!

C'mon, this was supposedly hi road and and a thoughtful, progressive discussion, not wether one is on medicare or ss or whatever..............THAT is not right, and you know it!

Beyond all that the verdict is IN..........it has been decided, now what is the path forward, what?

The only thing I pointed out was "The NRA is not a Civil Right's Organization".

It was started by Yankee Generals to teach people how to shoot because their army struggled during the War Between States with marksmanship.

The rest evolved later especially in the late 1960's.

I just wanted the money I donated to use probably and it was not, so it would have been better to use the money for my family or other organizations. None of those patches were Free, not even the Ranger Patch think it cost 5 dollars in 1967.

Glad you were the military like all the rest of us.

I was also pointing out You are not the only Old Guy on here, their are a lot of old guy's on here including me.

 

[kwguy]

She RAN on destroying the NRA, but the decision orders WLP to pay back the NRA several million dollars. I'm sure that wasn't what she had in mind.

That IS interesting…

 

[dannyd]

Here's the NRA's take on the verdicts.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/co...new-york-trial-verdict/?utm_source=newsletter

 

[WisBorn]

I am hopeful that the NRA can get back to operating solely in the interest of members and gun owners generally

It would be wonderful to see the NRA come back as it was intended. For gun rights. Not for its leadership, or buying off politicians.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

It seems like if the NRA members were dissatisfied with WLP they could decide to elect someone else. ....

CEO chief executive officer is NOT "an elected by the membership" position.

 

[Miami_JBT]

The NRA is Americas longest serving civil rights organization. I can't help it that corrupt individuals used the organization to enrich themselves. I still stand by all the good work that the NRA has done for nearly a century and a half. I will not toss it to the curb because of human greed and malfeasance. Hell, if that were any standard at all then Obama and Biden would never have been installed into the White House. I wonder how many of our members supported those train wrecks.

Prior to 1977, the NRA was not a "civil rights organization." In fact, prior to 1977, the NRA wanted to pull out of DC and move to Colorado and focus on shooting sports.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

... I was surprised LaPierre took the stand and admitted using NRA funds for his personal piggy bank. ...

My take is:
Taking the Fifth knowing there was evidence against him would have made him look more guilty in the long run.
Lying on the stand would have made him open to perjury charges.
He may be venal but he's not stupid.

 

[Miami_JBT]

It seems like if the NRA members were dissatisfied with WLP they could decide to elect someone else. Why does Letitia James need to stick her nose into the internal workings of the NRA? Probably it is because she can and she dislikes them. Maybe we should stick our noses into her business ...

The membership does not elect the Executive Vice President (CEO) of the NRA. They elect the Board of Directors and the BoD elects the CEO. Through political chicanery, the BoD was crafted to be a rubber stamp for WLP over the years.

 

[dannyd]

Where I get confused with the Life Membership is some of them try to defend Mr. Lapierre actions.

Wrong is Wrong no matter who does it and should not be defended.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Because she is the type of "political figure" that thrives on controversy. Look at how she campaigned on getting DJT as well as the NRA.

She also went after Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Yes, the NY AG had a political agenda, but, thankfully, the judge was able to see through that.

When she actually started trying the case on the proper issues, internal corruption, she did a decent investigation job of proving Wayne had his hands where they shouldn’t have been. She even got him to admit to fraud, to the point where he was voluntarily making refunds because he knew they had him, and stepped down from office because he knew they would throw him out.

By the way, any funds recovered from him and his cronies will revert back to the NRA, not to NYS, so this is a real win for the organization. Although the legal fees he has had the NRA paying will probably exceed the recovery. Is the remaining exec. board still corrupt, sure sounds like it, but at least this is a good start.

This had to be done in a liberal state because a more conservative one would have had politicians on the NRA lobbying payroll.

$4.4 million has to be paid back to the NRA. And the BoD just approved a $17 million golden parachute for WLP.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Where I get confused with the Life Membership is some of them try to defend Mr. Lapierre actions.

Wrong is Wrong no matter who does it and should not be defended.

No different than Republican voters defending anti-gun Republicans.

 

[nvcdl]

$4.4 million has to be paid back to the NRA. And the BoD just approved a $17 million golden parachute for WLP.

Which is ridiculous. The court should throw the golden parachute out.

 

[dannyd]

No different than Republican voters defending anti-gun Republicans.

It is different because most of the NRA membership that I know are honest hard working individuals.

Politicians are like "Skittles", because they are different colors but basically all the same.

 

[jdc1244]

It would also be good if it got out of politics – at which point I might consider rejoining.

 

[usaral63]

You are correct, JBT. 1977 was the upset that the liberal anti gun press termed a "night of the long knives"...............essentially when Carter/Knox and like minded folks revolted and re formed the association.........didn't hold tho and it gradually evolved into the current circumstance. We NEED another bloodletting, and soon!

Hopefully Knox Jr. will post as I've read his reply on that very subject elsewhere and it is quite enlightening.


As an addendum: that move stoppage is precisely how we got the Whittington center in NM........................