It would seem the the shop owner is at fault. However, what happened could easily happen with any [product in any retail venue. In many stores, clerks never so much as handle the card,especially on small value transactions, because the customer swipes it and signs electronically. In addition to my signature, I have SEE ID written on all my CC's. I am asked very rarely for my DL when I use my cards- because clerks often don't pay attention. I also have to wonder if the card used was actually imprinted with Patricia's name. Some banks program the primary cardholder's name to print onto the reciept even if the card swiped is a secondary user (with a second card with a different name printed on it). There is too many questions that are left unanswered right now.
Kansas City gun shop sued over ammo sale
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ZombieHunter
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the reason most places card everyone for alcohol is because the ID may say "alcohol restricted" due to DWI/DUI. Granted most people don't realize that's why you're supposed to check all IDs for alcohol sales. So no, gunshops shouldn't be checking all IDs, just those of questionable age.
Gunshop definitely screwed up selling to Mr. Patricia...
Gunshop definitely screwed up selling to Mr. Patricia...
doc2rn
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Easy to do:
Show ID
Swipe stolen CC select Cancel and charge if debit to avoid needing numbers. Crooks know this! Come on!
Put the blame where its due on the person behind the trigger not the tool!
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Swipe stolen CC select Cancel and charge if debit to avoid needing numbers. Crooks know this! Come on!
Put the blame where its due on the person behind the trigger not the tool!
Gunsafe
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I bought a .45 from the bullet hole not too long ago. Living here in the KC area im in there about once a month to check for a deal. The people working there are nice and all, but they will work a deal with anyone for almost anything. Im not too surprised they didn't check id on the credit card. I usually leave with the impression its anything for a buck.
However, I still think this represents yet another dimension in the new american dream of "get rich quick, sue someone". If you can burn yourself with hot coffee and rake in millions based on your own stupidity, I really don't see this as a far stretch. Especially with the anti-gun media swarming around. This has hay-day written all over it.
I hope for the sake of gun owners in the op area nothing serious happens. Here in johnson county we have a very small number of gun shops as it is. And the bullet hole is the only one even remotely close with a pistol range.
I will have to watch this closely on the local news to see how things pan out.
However, I still think this represents yet another dimension in the new american dream of "get rich quick, sue someone". If you can burn yourself with hot coffee and rake in millions based on your own stupidity, I really don't see this as a far stretch. Especially with the anti-gun media swarming around. This has hay-day written all over it.
I hope for the sake of gun owners in the op area nothing serious happens. Here in johnson county we have a very small number of gun shops as it is. And the bullet hole is the only one even remotely close with a pistol range.
I will have to watch this closely on the local news to see how things pan out.
eventer289
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I frequent that gun shop and range. It is really too bad, as it is one of the only local indoor range accessible in South KC.
paintballdude902
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is it possible he used her debit card and entered the pin? if so then the name doesnt show up on the register
by saying credit card they may just be usign a broad term
and btw some people have wierd names i know 2 guys named ashley and a guy name leslie
by saying credit card they may just be usign a broad term
and btw some people have wierd names i know 2 guys named ashley and a guy name leslie
mordechaianiliewicz
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As has been said, there may be a case for negligence. There may be a case for whatever happens in any other line of work when a person uses a stolen credit card but it isn't checked by th merchant/clerk.
The problem of course is that this isn't being done as either. This is a witch hunt where lawyers try to make a name for themselves attacking a constitutional right using a tragedy as ammunition (pardon the pun).
The problem of course is that this isn't being done as either. This is a witch hunt where lawyers try to make a name for themselves attacking a constitutional right using a tragedy as ammunition (pardon the pun).
71Commander
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You should get a job with the Brady Bunch.
There is no legal requirement. ID is checked if there is any doubt.
In most cases, it is NOT required for a business to check the id of a cardholder. Usually in the fine print somewhere you will find that by signing the back of the card that you shouldn't have to show your id when making a purchase. The business' that use cc machines will tell their customers that they have to, but it is not the policy of the cc company.
gregormeister
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I want to sue the BP gas staion that sold gas to the drunk that killed my Uncle in a car wreck last year because he used his wifes credit card for the purchase , at the pump where the owner should have been ID'd first before pumping..... That scenario would never fly in court, but this will if it involves firearms...
When will the insanity stop....The U.S. is slowly killing itself every day, and eventually it will suceed....
When will the insanity stop....The U.S. is slowly killing itself every day, and eventually it will suceed....
jollypanda
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Walmart
I can't recall any time being IDed at Walmart when buying ammo with my CC. I'll buy a box or two at the sports department checkout, swipe my card and sign the electronic checkout machine.
I don't even think about not being IDed - it happens so frequently now-a-days at all stores.
I can't recall any time being IDed at Walmart when buying ammo with my CC. I'll buy a box or two at the sports department checkout, swipe my card and sign the electronic checkout machine.
I don't even think about not being IDed - it happens so frequently now-a-days at all stores.
moi_self26
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At our Wal-mart they check ID for ammo purchases no matter what you use to pay..... I thought that was a universal Wal-mart policy, because it's not state law to do that here.
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71Commander
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They have never checked mine.
BTW. Why point out the post count? Is it relevant?
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moi_self26
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Bah, I didn't even realize I did. Sorry, it was an accident.
wellthought
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TECHNICALLY, they have a case. The guy shouldn't have been sold the ammo while using that stolen credit card. Is the gun store responsible for the guy's actions with the ammo. Absolutely NO. However, a dirty trial lawyer will make it seem so. I hope the gun store can get top shelf legal representation to stop the trial lawyer from spinning the whole thing.
moi_self26
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Ahhhhh, yah, that makes sense. I feel stupid now lol
Jefferson Herb
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Ammo / Lawsuit
Calif, in all it's wisdom , used to write down all handgun ammo sales;which did'nt reduce or prevent crime.When they did away with it some stores would continue policy [ maybe did'nt know ] and several of us would walk out of the store and leave it on the counter.
Mail order is easy,and if Ca bans mail order,there are several western states who love the look of dead presidents.
murder is a crime ,ammo purchase is'nt!
Calif, in all it's wisdom , used to write down all handgun ammo sales;which did'nt reduce or prevent crime.When they did away with it some stores would continue policy [ maybe did'nt know ] and several of us would walk out of the store and leave it on the counter.
Mail order is easy,and if Ca bans mail order,there are several western states who love the look of dead presidents.
murder is a crime ,ammo purchase is'nt!
jaholder1971
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No, they don't have a case.
If this were a transaction using a stolen CC, then the executor of the estate and/or the CC company should have placed a dispute on the transaction, meaning the Bullet Hole would have eaten the ammo cost. On that alone, the case should be dismissed until the estate has exhausted all other avenues.
The plaintiff is asking for funeral expenses, loss of wages (what would the victim make over their expexted life span) and punitive damages.
It's gold digging, profiteering from the loss of a family member. It's about as shameful as digging up the body from the cemetary and selling it to KU Medical Center for the cadaver lab as far as i'm concerned.
mstirton
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Is there some reason why the mothers of victims always seem to be so stupid and sue happy? Does the mother's tendency to be a bleeding heart, "everyone should get along" socialist have anything to do with the offspring's chances of walking around in condition white and being victimized? Obviously this is not always the case and I am not blaming victims for their troubles, but it seems if one is taught to fend for himself, he may have a better chance. The mother's reactions of blame in many of these cases would lead me to believe they never gave their children an example from which to learn personal responsibility.
71Commander
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No need to.
Why not sue the cops for NOT having arrested him for the theft long before he made it to the gun store with the card ?
Better yet why not Sue the women who's card was stolen for not securing her card from a thief , after all it could be used to purchase any number of things that can be dangerous especially to children and we all know we have to go to any length to protect "The Children" .
They blame us for not constructing our own Fort Knox around the guns we own after all .
Better yet why not Sue the women who's card was stolen for not securing her card from a thief , after all it could be used to purchase any number of things that can be dangerous especially to children and we all know we have to go to any length to protect "The Children" .
They blame us for not constructing our own Fort Knox around the guns we own after all .
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