Kel Tec KSG abuse and torture
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am i the only one here who doesnt get the point of the 'test'....?
i mean, isnt a torture test supposed to emulate the working conditions of the firearm to the extreme.....what the hell does that have to do with throwing it all over the place?
is throwing the gun a new tactic for tactical operators i am not aware of?
i mean, wouldnt better test be to run a few thousand rounds through it without maintenance....
i mean, isnt a torture test supposed to emulate the working conditions of the firearm to the extreme.....what the hell does that have to do with throwing it all over the place?
is throwing the gun a new tactic for tactical operators i am not aware of?
i mean, wouldnt better test be to run a few thousand rounds through it without maintenance....
Certaindeaf
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It goes without saying that one would sell a used gun as used. You said you sold a used gun as used like you were being magnaminous or something so I was being facetious.
Flyincedar
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Nope, wasn't intended to sound that way at all. Maybe wouldn't have it I had just said we sold it, and not sold it used.
I know of dealers that would clean it up and still sell it as new. Makes me sick. Totally unethical.
I know of dealers that would clean it up and still sell it as new. Makes me sick. Totally unethical.
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I hear you. I probably shouldn't a done that but.. things like that bug me too when people do that. we're good
I hear you. I probably shouldn't a done that but.. things like that bug me too when people do that. we're good
the count
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No disrespect for your work as such, I was referring to the video. A real operator is a different thing all together. That would be a seal, delta force, etc.
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I can appreciate that nothing cracked or broke while being thrown around.
It is not really a test of the internals, but at least you know the largely polymer externals can take some abuse.
I am glad there is other people willing to throw around loaded guns and then proceed to fire them, because I sure wouldn't.
Throwing the gun with the muzzle spinning around, while not behind a berm or concrete block. Running over and picking it up, putting it next to my face, and then just expecting it not to have any problems.
Yeah I will leave that to the experts.
I do feel bad for the guys told to stand there as part of their job, while the guy in front of them throws guns around. But I guess they kept the chambers empty during the throws, I think I saw that text.
Of course that means they didn't really get any drop safety tests, because there was no round in the chamber to go off. (Not that they need one, most long guns will go off if they impact hard from the right direction.)
So really the tests demonstrated the externals won't crack or break during most use. (Although my experience with many plastics is as they age they get more brittle, so that could change.)
It is not really a test of the internals, but at least you know the largely polymer externals can take some abuse.
I am glad there is other people willing to throw around loaded guns and then proceed to fire them, because I sure wouldn't.
Throwing the gun with the muzzle spinning around, while not behind a berm or concrete block. Running over and picking it up, putting it next to my face, and then just expecting it not to have any problems.
Yeah I will leave that to the experts.
I do feel bad for the guys told to stand there as part of their job, while the guy in front of them throws guns around. But I guess they kept the chambers empty during the throws, I think I saw that text.
Of course that means they didn't really get any drop safety tests, because there was no round in the chamber to go off. (Not that they need one, most long guns will go off if they impact hard from the right direction.)
So really the tests demonstrated the externals won't crack or break during most use. (Although my experience with many plastics is as they age they get more brittle, so that could change.)
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it would make a great entry gun,short,compact and 14 rounds of pure hell can be unleashed in a real hurry.it's not as fancy as the 870,but it has great potential also as a hunting weapon,because it does not fall under semi auto capacity restrictions.as far as the comments about throwing it around, in a real shtf situation,things get dropped,thrown,dropped while repelling,parachuting,falling off moving vehicles,etc. it's nice to know it can take a licking and keep on ticking.(timex)
oneounceload
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And just how many keyboard commandos are going to be doing that stuff? Really - You are traveling downward by rope or gravity and your weapon isn't secured?
Too funny
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FIVETWOSEVEN
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He said it's nice to know his tools can take a beating and still work. I don't see where he claims he does it on the weekend or he can't wait till SHTF. Calm down.
siglite
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The guy running that shotgun didn't make it look very good. My question is: How many of the failures were operator induced, and how many were a function of or problem with the gun or design?
My impression was that the guy doing the evaluation had some sort of pro bias towards the shotgun, otherwise, he would have given an objective explanation for all the times there were clicks, fiddling, and looking down at the gun to figure out what was going on.
As for all the "tier 1" stuff, I didn't know the USDOC *had* a "special operations" group. But it wouldn't surprise me. And it also wouldn't surprise me if they had a pretty nice training budget, plenty of cool toys, and guys that are probably pretty good at what they do. But I'd also assume they're pretty specialized. And maybe this shotgun's a really nice fit for their purpose. But if this is one of their instructors or team leads, I think he needs a great deal more fam time with this shotgun before making any more videos.
My impression was that the guy doing the evaluation had some sort of pro bias towards the shotgun, otherwise, he would have given an objective explanation for all the times there were clicks, fiddling, and looking down at the gun to figure out what was going on.
As for all the "tier 1" stuff, I didn't know the USDOC *had* a "special operations" group. But it wouldn't surprise me. And it also wouldn't surprise me if they had a pretty nice training budget, plenty of cool toys, and guys that are probably pretty good at what they do. But I'd also assume they're pretty specialized. And maybe this shotgun's a really nice fit for their purpose. But if this is one of their instructors or team leads, I think he needs a great deal more fam time with this shotgun before making any more videos.
Cesiumsponge
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It isn't USDOC. Their .com homepage (stuffed with media pages full of Keltec shotguns) states they're a private contractor. Specifically:
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Just by seeing that guy operate that shotgun, I would say that short stroking it was operator induced and when he looked down and clicked something, pumped the gun and went back to firing was him switching mag tubes.
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seems my response was deleted and my hand got slapped - sorry folks - but I just don't get the aspect of abusing ANY gun -perhaps some folks can enlighten this old FUDD so I get it
Thanks in advance
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If someone is going to be using a weapon for fighting, combat, war, etc, don't you think that they should test it in this regard to make sure that it isn't going to break from a simple drop? Maybe test it further to make sure it can hold up to whatever conditions that weapon might go through. I don't do it myself and just leave it up to the guys on youtube to do it but it is nice to know how much my AK can stand up to abuse. These guys don't want to pick a new issue shotgun and then realize they break from being thrown. The firearms being abused to test them are pretty much just fighting weapons, nothing like an expensive O/U that would never be subjected to those conditions.
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Best line I have read all day!
I volunteered at a couple of local Jails and got to witness quite a few Correctional officers on the job, and I don't mean to at all to try to insult you, but they were most certainly lacking in any form of discipline or training. That probably wasn't true of where your from but from what I have seen at two local county jails...
siglite
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Ahhhh. Thanks for the clarification. Also, the fact that their page is packed full of keltec stuff kind of supports my idea that there's a little bias.
It doesn't look like physical fitness is very high on his list of priorities. But I'm sure that in prisons it's much more important to be able to shoot everyone in the constant human wave attacks ; )
This Garcia guy is really full of himself, just google him and you won't find a result without "senior team leader" in front of it.
He could hardly express a thought in the video without inserting some tactical lingo.
I also love the concept of torture test in scenarios like this. Look at the outfit, they aren't carrying these guns day in and day out for weeks on end, nor could they possibly carry on their persons the 1,000 or so rounds required to make it a "real" torture test. Why do they need a weapon that withstands these factors? Why dump it in ice water? Why not evaluate it based on its features and ergonomics?
But what do I know about combat environments? I'm only a Recon Marine and we don't even get a tier number : ( Maybe we should get a class from him about what combat environments are like!
This Garcia guy is really full of himself, just google him and you won't find a result without "senior team leader" in front of it.
He could hardly express a thought in the video without inserting some tactical lingo.
I also love the concept of torture test in scenarios like this. Look at the outfit, they aren't carrying these guns day in and day out for weeks on end, nor could they possibly carry on their persons the 1,000 or so rounds required to make it a "real" torture test. Why do they need a weapon that withstands these factors? Why dump it in ice water? Why not evaluate it based on its features and ergonomics?
But what do I know about combat environments? I'm only a Recon Marine and we don't even get a tier number : ( Maybe we should get a class from him about what combat environments are like!
DNS
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Way to gimmicky and it'll take lots more training to make it run.
I can simply keep loading my 870 as i fire so i don't see the need for 14 rounds in dual finicky tubes.
I'm not a huge fan of Saigas but they've got it beat hands down.
I can simply keep loading my 870 as i fire so i don't see the need for 14 rounds in dual finicky tubes.
I'm not a huge fan of Saigas but they've got it beat hands down.
Certaindeaf
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To be honest, I didn't watch it. If in fifteen, thirty years if it's been proven/pervasive, maybe I'll consider it but probably not.
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