Kel-Tec KSG: Your Thoughts?

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Kentuckiana rifleman, they're unlikely to release maintenance video while in the prototyping phase. If nothing else the fasteners might change, and tweaks may have to be made to get from the prototyping CNC machinery (run manually to crank out one at a time) up to the full-production CNC machines (run mostly in auto to crank out lots at a time)

That's my understanding, at least.

Also, knowing KelTec, the "LE" trigger setup if not available through normal channels will be home-brewed on KTOG within a few months of wide release.
 
Two separate 7 round magazines do not make one 14 round magazine. there is NOTHING in CA law that would make the KSG illegal.
 
I love it, It will be my next hd gun great round capacity, ability to switch back and forth from slug to 00 is very nice. compact in size, reliability of a pump fully ambidextrious. I already have mine on order for its release can't wait.
 
This is still going?

KT just put out that the KSG would handle 3" shells (-1 capacity in each tube) at release for anyone still annoyed about that. They did not, however, say anything about it being comfortable to shoot with the shoulder-buster shells ... I'm no shotgun expert but I think the videos showing 2.75" shells looked rough enough.
 
Shooting nitro mags and deer slugs from my mossberg 500 bullpups isn't too bad at all, I hope the same is true with the ksg
 
Pass.

I'm sure it will be light weight and compact, but I'm certain the price to value ratio will kill it for me if their other bullpup is any indication. It does a lot of stuff right, but not enough to justify its purchase over a $300 pistol grip mossy... At least not until I have silly amounts of disposable income to buy niche firearms.

I readily admit i'm probably not the market they're aiming for.
 
I think Kel-Tec did their part in changing a more obvious alternative feed to a selective feed without an automatic switch over when one is depeleted

Crazy laws.
The Neostead allows the magazine feeding to alternate. It would be nice if that were an option on the KSG for those who live in states where 14-rd magazines are legal.
Still, I won't be buying one at anywhere near $800. Looks like a quality gun otherwise.
 
$700 for a Kel Tec? Haha thanks but no thanks. They've already apparently had trigger issues and there's no telling what else will come out of the woodwork. If I ever were to buy one I'd wait till they worked the bugs out and came up with a reasonable price.
 
It piques my curiosity but Kel-Tec would have to come off the MSRP by a substantial amount for me to buy one. I think for around the money I'd rather have a Mossberg SPX or pay a little more for an FN SLP.
 
I'll pick one up when the actual retail price and the MSRP meet, which (if I use the RFB release as an indicator) may not until a year or more after it's release. I don't mind paying a bit of premium for something that has twice the magazine capacity of my current shotgun while being considerably shorter, provided there is no loss in reliability.
 
KT just put out that the KSG would handle 3" shells (-1 capacity in each tube) at release for anyone still annoyed about that.
Awesome news, that was one of the minor faults that I found in the design (because it wouldn't allow the use of 3in. No. 1B and Brenneke Black Magic slugs).

I guess I am the odd man out. I'm okay with the asking price so long as it doesn't increase (as is typical).

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^WOW! $675 huh, sounds great. Any word as to whether you can get the LEO trigger mech. (that allows you to fire by holding the trigger like the Win. M-12)?

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1stmarine, while I like my converted S-12, I don't necessarily agree. The KSG is largely and unknown at this point, but affords several theoretical advantages such as a much shorter OAL (the Saiga receiver is very long), the ability to select from two different loads from separate magazines, and firing magnum and light loads without having to adjust the gas plug. The Saiga is probably more practical for some tasks, and is likely the more fun scattergun, but for HD and such I would choose the KSG if it works as advertised.

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Hi I think that the tube selector and size is a plus but the saiga can
be converted to bullup too. I hear you though, if the gun can be made reliable nothing can beat a pump in terms of reliability and simplicity.
the concept is not new.

http://www.kushnapup.com/order
 
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I am a big proponent of bullpup systems, but I have seen several types of aftermarket bullpup conversion kits, and not a one gave decent user controls and ergonomics, particularly those designed for the AK. I haven't had the opportunity to try one of those linked above, but I highly doubt that it will be far departed from the others. I believe it is best to design a bullpup from the ground up.

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AK bullpups suck for a number of reasons. Further, the product you linked to is vaporware, and, even if it wasn't, it has some questionable design elements. If I wanted a more compact S12 I'd be eying a SBS from Tromix or Redjacket.
 
^ You're late. :p

...and you're absolutely right the "Kushnapup" has been "coming soon" for the better part of half a decade...prognosis not so good.
 
The concept not being new I was referring to is the neostad 12.

That kushnapup thing I put there for curiosity and to see that there are always possibilities whether they are more advanced concepts like the keltec prototype or not. I never said anything about this is doable or not or whether it is reasonable technically or business wise. (vaporware only applies to software. Maybe a proper ready word should be "vaporhardware" or something like that).

I think that the bullup in any AK, AR, M1A or others has some fundamental limitations as any attempt in any system that is not designed like that from the ground up.
Anyway, last year I had the opportunity to use a nice saiga 12 bullup with a connector plate with a pretty nice trigger and magazine release control.

I don't have any pictures from that day but that conversion looked pretty similar to this one.... http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/08/29/bullpup-saiga-shotgun/

Even with the obvious issues the system is as reliable as the saiga itself so that part doesn't need to be further proven.

In regards to Keltec I have lots of faith in them. I own several of their products (the same as the saigas, ARs and others) and had nothing but good experiences but some products are better than others, just like any manufacturing company.

Only time will tell if the shotgun concept will catch unlike the neostad that was plagued with bugs and never were fully resolved. Also the OAL in relation with specific state laws needs to be factored as this might not be commercially viable in some <delete> states, at least for the average firearms owner without a special license. Even if it is not the OAL <delete> politicians will come up with some bogus arbitrary clause or scheme with a limitation or something in order to skip the 2nd amendment.

Cheers.
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OAL isn't an issue (at least not here) as it is just over 26in. (bbl is 18.5in. so that isn't a concern either).

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Maverick223,
It looks that all patriots will have to end up in North Carolina or some other patriotic and law abiding states.
I think that CA, NJ, NY, others might be in the dark and anything that looks or even smells tactical "EVIL FIREARMS" they will try to restrict.
I know BBL 18.5 is ok. but BULLUP??? it will need some study. I know the Kushnapup concept is smart and by having the end of the grip connected with the stock then makes it legal as it is considered a grip guard and integral with the stock. I never fully understood this arbitrary concept and if this would apply to the shotgun but this is why a bullup Steyr AUG is legal in NY and the Keltec RFB is not. Politicians...Go figure!
 
1stmarine, I believe it is legal in all 50 states, because, despite the pistol-grip, it isn't SA nor does it have a DBM, muzzle device, grenade launcher, bayonet lug, or any other features determined to be "evil" by the once-great state of California (et al). Bullpups, by definition, are not banned anywhere in the US...though some features make them so.

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