Kel Tec Sub2000
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I haven't tried this myself but I remember reading that the only difference between the different Sub 2000 magazine versions is the magazine catch. If that's true, the Sub 2000 can be easily changed to Glock, Beretta, or Smith and Wesson mags if you install the proper mag catch.
Has anybody else looked into or tried this?
Has anybody else looked into or tried this?
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Yes and no. Sub-2000s can be switched between magazines EXCEPT for the Glock magazines. Only those that come from the factory as Glock-magazine compatible can use Glock mags.
Glock magazine Sub-2000s also can't be converted to use any other kind of magazine.
Glock magazine Sub-2000s also can't be converted to use any other kind of magazine.
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Would one rather be punched 33 times in the face by Don Knotts or or just 31 times by Mike Tyson? LOL Seriously though, I went with the .40 cal for the extra punch and because I already have a G23 which I can interchange mags with. Also I have .40 cal dies for my Dillon reloading press.
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I was lucky enough to stumble upon a used 9mm subby setup for for the glock 17 mags at my local shop, I jumped on it after a quick once over. Have yet to shoot it, probably will at some point this week, can't wait. I also purchased some of the knock-off 31 rounders so I will report back how everything goes.
pikid89
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since your fond of taking your dremel to the sub2K lol, might i suggest a grip reduction to accept factory 14 round G23 mags?
or even cut it down to g27 mags...then it truly will be universal
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Kel-Tec sub 2000
I had one of these in stainless, mine took the Glock mags, though I never actually used Glock brand, I got half a dozen each of the KCI 33 round mags and 17 round mags, then I put +2 extensions on the 17 rounders. They all functioned flawlessly fully loaded. I put a set of Uncle Mikes finger groove slip grips on mine and a vert grip on the rail, which I quickly removed after I saw how much more difficult the case I had selected was to zip up with the gun folded, I then mounted the Sig light/laser combo, after I got the laser dialed in I decided to run hollow points through the gun, thats when the problems came into the picture.
My Kel-Tec sub 2000 WOULD NOT cycle ANY hollow point ammo, regardless of brand. With it being a folding gun, there is no feed ramp, the throat of the barrel is beveled to guide the round into the chamber, no problem when you are shooting the really pointy 9mm bullet, switch to hollow point with even the slightest bit of a flat tip to them and the round slams into the top edge of the chamber, pushing the bullet deep into the case.
My understanding is that this problem does not exist in the .40 cal versions, I didnt know any other sub 2000 owners at the time, so I dont know if the problem was with just mine or all of them chambered in 9mm. So while it was really cool and lots of fun, I sold it to a very happy young man that didnt care in the least that it would not feed hollow points, interestingly, its also the only 9mm I have ever owned that would reliably and consistantly feed round after round of the CCI aluminum cased 9mm birdshot.
I had one of these in stainless, mine took the Glock mags, though I never actually used Glock brand, I got half a dozen each of the KCI 33 round mags and 17 round mags, then I put +2 extensions on the 17 rounders. They all functioned flawlessly fully loaded. I put a set of Uncle Mikes finger groove slip grips on mine and a vert grip on the rail, which I quickly removed after I saw how much more difficult the case I had selected was to zip up with the gun folded, I then mounted the Sig light/laser combo, after I got the laser dialed in I decided to run hollow points through the gun, thats when the problems came into the picture.
My Kel-Tec sub 2000 WOULD NOT cycle ANY hollow point ammo, regardless of brand. With it being a folding gun, there is no feed ramp, the throat of the barrel is beveled to guide the round into the chamber, no problem when you are shooting the really pointy 9mm bullet, switch to hollow point with even the slightest bit of a flat tip to them and the round slams into the top edge of the chamber, pushing the bullet deep into the case.
My understanding is that this problem does not exist in the .40 cal versions, I didnt know any other sub 2000 owners at the time, so I dont know if the problem was with just mine or all of them chambered in 9mm. So while it was really cool and lots of fun, I sold it to a very happy young man that didnt care in the least that it would not feed hollow points, interestingly, its also the only 9mm I have ever owned that would reliably and consistantly feed round after round of the CCI aluminum cased 9mm birdshot.
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A friendly warning, mine does NOT like the non-Glock magazines ... don't blame the gun if those aftermarket ones aren't fully functional. (and some don't seem to mind them a bit ... maybe it is the mag latch tolerances?
Odd, mine will eat Gold Dots, HST, and EFMJ all day from the Glock-made mags, I can't remember what else I tried except Magtech Gold (it didn't seem to like those) and some random stuff from a gunshow in boxes marked "Grindell's".
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Dave, is yours 9mm or .40?
I bought my sub 2000 out of a pawn shop, gun with a sling only, it didnt have a mag at all, so I never tried any mags except the KCI, I suppose that the issue could have been as simple as mags with 100% proper angle/alignment, but considering I only paid $10 each for the KCI mags, versus the price of Glock mags, they seemed like a good choice, and they did work flawlessly (with FMJ anyway) 100% of the time.
I wouldnt discourage anyone from buying one the sub 2000 or the KCI mags either, its also possible that a little polishing in the right areas may have solved the problem with hollow points in my gun as well, but I just opted to sell it and move on to the next toy to catch my eye.
I bought my sub 2000 out of a pawn shop, gun with a sling only, it didnt have a mag at all, so I never tried any mags except the KCI, I suppose that the issue could have been as simple as mags with 100% proper angle/alignment, but considering I only paid $10 each for the KCI mags, versus the price of Glock mags, they seemed like a good choice, and they did work flawlessly (with FMJ anyway) 100% of the time.
I wouldnt discourage anyone from buying one the sub 2000 or the KCI mags either, its also possible that a little polishing in the right areas may have solved the problem with hollow points in my gun as well, but I just opted to sell it and move on to the next toy to catch my eye.
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mine is 9x19, it takes G19 magazines and longer.
It wouldn't surprise me if some internal work on the mags fixed the issue, they seem pretty rough. If that doesn't do it, either I find a buyer for them of they get hung up as targets ... I have no time or room for junk magazines, and unfortunately there isn't a pistol that takes those magazines and my hand, the only pistols those magazines fit into are designed for/by lizard people or something. (every Glock I try points high, I really want to like them, they just don't work and neither did the other KTsub2k pistol-match options, so I went with the cheaper and more available Glock mags, when I should have taken the S&W mags that the KT P11 is compatible with, so I'd jave an excuse to pick up a P11)
... ... and I looked it up, the mags I'm using are these:
"PW Arms Magazine Glock 17, 19, 26, 34 9mm Luger 33-Round Polymer Black" (midway link, I got them for $1 each a while back)
NOT the "KCI" you're writing about. I'll try the KCI version if I come across them.
mine is 9x19, it takes G19 magazines and longer.
It wouldn't surprise me if some internal work on the mags fixed the issue, they seem pretty rough. If that doesn't do it, either I find a buyer for them of they get hung up as targets ... I have no time or room for junk magazines, and unfortunately there isn't a pistol that takes those magazines and my hand, the only pistols those magazines fit into are designed for/by lizard people or something. (every Glock I try points high, I really want to like them, they just don't work and neither did the other KTsub2k pistol-match options, so I went with the cheaper and more available Glock mags, when I should have taken the S&W mags that the KT P11 is compatible with, so I'd jave an excuse to pick up a P11)
... ... and I looked it up, the mags I'm using are these:
"PW Arms Magazine Glock 17, 19, 26, 34 9mm Luger 33-Round Polymer Black" (midway link, I got them for $1 each a while back)
NOT the "KCI" you're writing about. I'll try the KCI version if I come across them.
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any of you guys still looking for sub2000's, you might try giving Pistol Parlour in Mesa, AZ a call. I bought one there, my dad bought one there, and I've seen them there since. Not sure about this very second, but you might as well try. 480-835-6643
Phone access can be rough sometimes because they're so busy, but you'll eventually get someone that can look for ya.
Phone access can be rough sometimes because they're so busy, but you'll eventually get someone that can look for ya.
sonick808
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to anyone with feeding problems: if you haven't , try putting on a grip glove. That might help magazine reliability since some of the fatter out of spec mags cause the grip seams to actually flex. I know I know. The one I use is a pachmayr grip glove meant for s&W sigma. Holds the grip nice and tight.
mine will eat rocks and fire them out
mine will eat rocks and fire them out
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I've considered it a few times, I'd never put one on a pistol, I just buy pistols that fit in the first place, but the sub2k might be worth it. Any ones you recommend?
sonick808
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yes sir I do in fact have a solid recommendation for you.... Going on year two with heavy use, and this grip hasn't torn, worn, or lost it's strength. It's a tight, and perfect fit:
Tactical Grip Glove for S&W Sigma - Pachmayr
Got mine at Galati, sometimes the stock availability can be hit or miss on the SW Sigma version. Stick it out and wait until a vendor comes in stock if you have to; they work perfect on the sub2000 to keep the grip together and very solid with fatter mags, and it's quite comfy
Butts up against the trigger guard ridge while not protruding below the mag well. Highly recommended.
ETA: mine is a .40S&W G22 config; so you might have to shave the grip glove just the tiniest amount, or you may not, I think the grip lengths themselves are pretty close on all sub2k's
Tactical Grip Glove for S&W Sigma - Pachmayr
Got mine at Galati, sometimes the stock availability can be hit or miss on the SW Sigma version. Stick it out and wait until a vendor comes in stock if you have to; they work perfect on the sub2000 to keep the grip together and very solid with fatter mags, and it's quite comfy
Butts up against the trigger guard ridge while not protruding below the mag well. Highly recommended.ETA: mine is a .40S&W G22 config; so you might have to shave the grip glove just the tiniest amount, or you may not, I think the grip lengths themselves are pretty close on all sub2k's
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http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=447146
That one? If so, I'll just toss it in the cart if so, for ~$10 I can't go wrong, right?
That one? If so, I'll just toss it in the cart if so, for ~$10 I can't go wrong, right?
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"PW Arms Magazine Glock 17, 19, 26, 34 9mm Luger 33-Round Polymer Black" (midway link, I got them for $1 each a while back)"
$1 each? Damn!!! that is cheap! I just bought two of the PW arms for the 17 at midway for alot more than that.
$1 each? Damn!!! that is cheap! I just bought two of the PW arms for the 17 at midway for alot more than that.
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I went ahead and added the butt stock ($11.65 plus shipping from Kel Tec) to my Sub2k. When it arrived I was a little disappointed that it was a hard plastic extension, and not a pad at all. But once I added it, I will not take it off. The main benefit is that it accepts and protects the front site assembly when you break it in two and negates the need to carefully line up the notch/groove to properly close it. Too bad this wasn't a design feature or if you have to add it, at least have it rubberized. But all in all, I would recommend adding it!
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bigfatdave: that's the exact one! I think you will be quite satisfied
Drop back in when you get it and let me know. Take your time installing, it will be tight and trying to force too much might cause a tear, compromising it. Just a little at a time and you'll have it on in 5-10 minutes tops. I didn't use oil or anything because i didn't want it sliding. Patience was the best install technique. 2 years later it's still holding strong as day 1, no erosion of the rubber or anything (including heavy use in the AZ heat against acidic skin/sweat)Tainta_Claus
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Dave, I am just keeping my fingers crossed that they work. If they don't.. hey it was worth a shot, and I can always use them for my Glock at the range. Wont know until Friday but I got the mags and they have a bit of a rougher finish externally than the factory stuff. It was strange I ordered the PW arms magazines and a Kahn 17 round mag. They all came in the exact same type of packaging. This leads me to believe that either the factory is one in the same, or they get packaged later. Thoughts anyone?
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Well I have a 9mm that I will build out in the next two weeks, hope to get another .40 cal to build and sell unfired.
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9mm Version
I think a 9mm version would be great. Especially with the cost of ammo going up across the board because of component price increases this month. (better stock up quick) (From SGAmmo: "I consider it my duty to inform our customer base that significant price increases on various brands of ammunition will go into effect in the next few weeks, We will hold back on raising prices on certain items that are currently in good supply, however it appears inevitable that a broad line of commercial ammunition products will rise in price, so please consider that when evaluating your ammo needs. We will continue to search for special purchase items of better than average value and offer the best prices we can on our entire product line.") Fffing inflation. How's that Hope & Change working for you? Anyway, you gain more velocity from the 9mm version over the 40. Close to 300 fps faster with most loads from the carbine. I think the OP has a sweet setup there.
I think a 9mm version would be great. Especially with the cost of ammo going up across the board because of component price increases this month. (better stock up quick) (From SGAmmo: "I consider it my duty to inform our customer base that significant price increases on various brands of ammunition will go into effect in the next few weeks, We will hold back on raising prices on certain items that are currently in good supply, however it appears inevitable that a broad line of commercial ammunition products will rise in price, so please consider that when evaluating your ammo needs. We will continue to search for special purchase items of better than average value and offer the best prices we can on our entire product line.") Fffing inflation. How's that Hope & Change working for you? Anyway, you gain more velocity from the 9mm version over the 40. Close to 300 fps faster with most loads from the carbine. I think the OP has a sweet setup there.
Yes, any of them that are NOT glock can be converted for a couple of dollars and 1 minute to change mag catch. IE, I bought the Berreta version and converted it to SIG so I can use my CZ mags since I have 4 CZ hand guns and a bunch of mags. Fun gun for sure.
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I did pick up a 9mm in Glock, mgkdrgn but it is the only one he had. It was from the same place that I got the .40 cal. I am on the list for two more, but I'll have to wait to see what he gets in.
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What's in a name?
Not to bag on the naysayers, but we put a ton of ammo thru the Victory mags yesterday and did not have a single failure. We shot FJMs and several different HP rounds and they fed them all. If you are going to buy mags for your Glock then it's impossible to "buy American". So you can go Austrian or Korean but the only difference I can find is the price.
One man's opinion....
Not to bag on the naysayers, but we put a ton of ammo thru the Victory mags yesterday and did not have a single failure. We shot FJMs and several different HP rounds and they fed them all. If you are going to buy mags for your Glock then it's impossible to "buy American". So you can go Austrian or Korean but the only difference I can find is the price.
One man's opinion....
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