Kibler Kit

dickydalton said:
17 years ago Monday my gift from Judy was a hawkin 50 cal kit by Traditions. I hadn't looked at that rifle since moving here 5 years ago when I oiled it up after the move. Reading this thread made me dig it out and I'm going to shoot it again because it was only fired twice when I completed it and put away.
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I don't buy much expensive stuff. One I generally can't afford it. I had to save what I could for several months and this month has been tight sho nuff. I really should have waited until next month. Two whenever I do buy something I couldn't afford when Kathy was alive all it does is remind me of what I lost in order to have it. I bought a new reloading press thinking it would make me want to get back into reloading and give me something to do to help take my mind off. I never took it out of the box. I was afraid this was going to be the same way but Kathy loved guns as much as I do. She didn't get much experience with bp but she liked it. I can just see her shooting it with a huge smile on her face. And yeah there's times I go back there to work on it and I just can't but I know she would have wanted me to have it and if she knew I wanted it when she was alive she'd have cut every corner she could in order for me to get it. Sorry for rambling.
 
hawg said:
I don't buy much expensive stuff. One I generally can't afford it. I had to save what I could for several months and this month has been tight sho nuff. I really should have waited until next month. Two whenever I do buy something I couldn't afford when Kathy was alive all it does is remind me of what I lost in order to have it. I bought a new reloading press thinking it would make me want to get back into reloading and give me something to do to help take my mind off. I never took it out of the box. I was afraid this was going to be the same way but Kathy loved guns as much as I do. She didn't get much experience with bp but she liked it. I can just see her shooting it with a huge smile on her face. And yeah there's times I go back there to work on it and I just can't but I know she would have wanted me to have it and if she knew I wanted it when she was alive she'd have cut every corner she could in order for me to get it. Sorry for rambling.
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No apologies needed for "rambling". It is understandable you miss her, but she is always with you in spirit. You will be reunited again.

Just a random thought about your idea to remove metal from the bottom of the tang. Won't that make it necessary to deepen the entire barrel channel? I hope not. Thanks for the pictures. I have a sneaking suspicion your build will turn out much better than you had led us to believe. 😁 Best of luck with your efforts! 👍👍
 
Acorn Mush said:
No apologies needed for "rambling". It is understandable you miss her, but she is always with you in spirit. You will be reunited again.

Just a random thought about your idea to remove metal from the bottom of the tang. Won't that make it necessary to deepen the entire barrel channel? I hope not. Thanks for the pictures. I have a sneaking suspicion your build will turn out much better than you had led us to believe. 😁 Best of luck with your efforts! 👍👍
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I don't think so. The screw will pull the tang into the mortise. It already does some without any strain on the screw so I'm thinking it should be able to go a smidge more which is really all it needs. I will have to file from the top forward of the screw hole. The tang starts getting thicker about 1/4 inch in front of it. It's really not that much the pic makes it look worse than it is. I can try it and if it doesn't work I can always build up the bottom of the mortise.
 
No apologies needed for rambles...
My world revolves around Mrs F.
My heart breaks for you and your loss.
Get that Kibler together and get yourself out to a BP club.
Theyre the best people in the world.
Shooting will be cheap and fun.
 
Armored farmer said:
No apologies needed for rambles...
My world revolves around Mrs F.
My heart breaks for you and your loss.
Get that Kibler together and get yourself out to a BP club.
Theyre the best people in the world.
Shooting will be cheap and fun.
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A bp club in Mississippi? Not anywhere near here. I don't think there's even a gun range within 50 miles of here not that I've ever been to a range.
 
hawg said:
I don't think so. The screw will pull the tang into the mortise. It already does some without any strain on the screw so I'm thinking it should be able to go a smidge more which is really all it needs. I will have to file from the top forward of the screw hole. The tang starts getting thicker about 1/4 inch in front of it. It's really not that much the pic makes it look worse than it is. I can try it and if it doesn't work I can always build up the bottom of the mortise.
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Here's my 2 cents on this tang situation, it acts as a recoil lug like a modern rifle especially the area right behind the breech plug. It really needs to make solid contact in that area. Try to make sure that the barrel sets down in the channel and the rear of the breech plug makes good contact at the rear of the channel. Judging by the quality of the kit this should already be done. It may be best to get in touch with Kibler and ask some questions.
 
Jackrabbit1957 said:
Here's my 2 cents on this tang situation, it acts as a recoil lug like a modern rifle especially the area right behind the breech plug. It really needs to make solid contact in that area. Try to make sure that the barrel sets down in the channel and the rear of the breech plug makes good contact at the rear of the channel. Judging by the quality of the kit this should already be done. It may be best to get in touch with Kibler and ask some questions.
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The barrel seats fully in the the stock and the breech is a solid fit against the wood.
 
My advice, for what little it's worth, is to file the tang down to match the wood. Removing material from the bottom of the tang may make the problem worse. If there's full contact under the tang and its settled into the stock why change that? It may seem like a lot of work but it really won't be that bad. Biggest thing for me when I was building stuff for others was to not get in a hurry. This is a bucket list project for you, take your time and enjoy the building experience.
 
Jackrabbit1957 said:
My advice, for what little it's worth, is to file the tang down to match the wood. Removing material from the bottom of the tang may make the problem worse. If there's full contact under the tang and its settled into the stock why change that? It may seem like a lot of work but it really won't be that bad. Biggest thing for me when I was building stuff for others was to not get in a hurry. This is a bucket list project for you, take your time and enjoy the building experience.
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I'm taking my time but I'm really not enjoying it. It's work I'm not qualified for to me.
 
I figured I would have more trouble with the wood but the wood is done except for going over with 320 grit. The patch box lid is fitted and the ramrod is done. This draw filing is the pits. If I ever get it finished I'll never do another one.
 
Do your draw filing slowly making sure you keep the file flat on the surface so you don't end up with a lot of curved surfaces. When I started Tool and Die school they had us file a piece of 1" square bar stock just rough cut in a band saw square and parallel and then file a different radius on the opposite corners, they said so we would know how to file. It was actually an exercise to see who had the patience to actually be a die maker. We had about 5 guys drop out in that first month. Stick with it and you will be rewarded with a finished product that will make you proud.
 
It has to be about 45 years ago, I built a T/CHawken from a kit, they used to sell them that way or already complete. Most of the metal work was draw filing the barrel. I bought a couple of brand new Nicholson draw files and they did a good job. My best advice when it comes to draw filing is to take your time. It will pay off in the fin8shed rifle. Have fun building and shooting your new rifle. It looks like it will be q real looker when you finish!
 
Just4FunOldGuns said:
hawg,
pm my your address and I can send you some quality sandpaper for you great looking project. Some of it is left over from a car fender I had to paint and install on a car for a friend.
I have the P320, 600, 1000, 2000 and 3000 grits left over.
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Thanks, I appreciate it but I've got more than enough for this project.
 
I gave up on draw filing. The file marks were worse than the tool marks so I tried some 150 grit sandpaper and it works better. Definitely not faster but better and easier on my back. This is what I started with.

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This is after 150 grit. I'll probably go on up to 320.

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The stock is done at 320. Joke on me is I couldn't figure out why the patchbox cover didn't fit flush anymore. Then it hit me the butt plate wasn't on it. D'OH :rofl:

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Are you gonna use a stain or leave the wood natural? It looks great, putting stain on will definitely reveal any scratches left from the course grits used before your 320.
 
Hey Hawg, my rifle/Jeager was "scratch built" by a very talented rifle maker, but he left some of the final finishing to me, to save me a couple bucks. I never filed the barrel, just sanded it a bit, and let it turn a natural grey. It looks just fine. It is a Colerain barrel, I have no idea how the two compare before final finishing, or as they come "out of the box". Anyhow, yeah don't worry, it will be fine. We don't need no stinking draw-filing.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
Hey Hawg, my rifle/Jeager was "scratch built" by a very talented rifle maker, but he left some of the final finishing to me, to save me a couple bucks. I never filed the barrel, just sanded it a bit, and let it turn a natural grey. It looks just fine. It is a Colerain barrel, I have no idea how the two compare before final finishing, or as they come "out of the box". Anyhow, yeah don't worry, it will be fine. We don't need no stinking draw-filing.
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According to a master builder on another forum (not that one) Colerain barrels look like dog poop on the outside. My barrel is a Green Mountain. I don't know what they look like out of the box but Jim does the swamping so any major roughness is taken out during the process. I probably could have browned it without doing anything. I do not know what his barrels that aren't swamped look like. His SMR barrels are Rice barrels. I don't know what they look like either.
 
hawg said:
According to a master builder on another forum (not that one) Colerain barrels look like dog poop on the outside. My barrel is a Green Mountain. I don't know what they look like out of the box but Jim does the swamping so any major roughness is taken out during the process. I probably could have browned it without doing anything. I do not know what his barrels that aren't swamped look like. His SMR barrels are Rice barrels. I don't know what they look like either.
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All are green mountain barrels now, early guns had rice and went away from them because of cost and not meeting his standards. Belive all kibler barrels are swamped, think the 36 and 32 he rifles himself on his lathe which is a cool video to check out.
 
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