Kimber Custom T*ctical II?

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I heard these are hitting the shelves now. I find myself drawn to them for the frontstrap checkering and external extractor even though I thought I told myself to put down the 1911 for good.

Has anyone seen them in person and how do you like it?

For how I will use the following excuses not to buy:
Series II
Forward cocking serrations
Didn't like my last Kimber
Ditching the .45
Already have a Wilson

But I find myself oddly drawn to it. A sub-$1000 quality production 1911 with an external extractor. Temptation....
 
It's that T-word rearing its ugly head & SkunkabiRRy getting bit!

If you're gonna ditch a 1911 to replace w/ another 1911...IMHO, you'd be better off w/ a steel framed single stack rather than poly frame double stack.
 
Do they make it in commander size?
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I think so. I haven't seen the 2003 catalog yet but saw a link to one in the Kimber forum on 1911forum. Not sure if it's an Ossifer or Commander frame.
 
What is wrong with the forward cocking serrations? I use them to check the chamber of my 1911 all the time. I just hold the gun in my right hand, put my left hand underneath the pistol (fingers up palm to the left), grip the serrations with my left hand, then press forward with my right hand. I do this quite a few times/day to check the condition of my 1911.
 
I hate fwd serrations so much that I am partly a convert to shorter slides because of them. My carry 1911 is loaded. It is always loaded since I loaded it and press checked it last. Since it is always loaded it never needs to be press checked unless I unload it and then reload it. Even when I do press I do not need grip assistance as if I were a fish processor who couldn't get the oils off of his hands. Ditch the FLGR, then push the recoil spring plug and the slide backwards at the same time without ever needing to grip the slide--hence the press in press check. I have actually seen idiots using the foward serrations to accomplish this "chamber inspection" whilst covering the muzzle with the remainder of their off hand.:scrutiny:

When I see someone constantly checking the status of the chamber of a 1911, I immediately think of the Divinyls' I Touch Myself, because the practice, when overdone, rises to the level of self-abuse.:rolleyes:
 
Boats- Its great that you know intuitively that your gun is loaded. I feel more confident with a visual and/or tactile check of the chamber every time I holster or handle the gun. IMHO, just knowing intuitively is just setting yourself up for a day with an unloaded gun in your holster or an ND.

As far as the traditional press check goes, that method is great...but personally I would much rather not put my finger that close to the muzzle while I have another finger inserted into the triggerguard.

How did the idjuts cover themselves with the muzzle? When I do it, no body part ever crosses the muzzle in any step of the process.
 
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Check, re-check and then press check. I like the front serrations for press checking as I do not like the Gunsite pinch or, although I am a Jedi Knight, using The Force to ascertain whether my weapon is loaded. The serrations are great because my hands are or could be sweaty or bloody.

Boats, how does one accomplish this feat? Have you seen moron go over the top instead of underneath to press check?
 
What is wrong with the forward cocking serrations?
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Ugly and unnecessary.
As far as the traditional press check goes, that method is great...but personally I would much rather not put my finger that close to the muzzle while I have another finger inserted into the triggerguard.
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Agreed. Personally, I slightly retract the slide using the rear serrations, allows a good visual check and keeps my precious fingers a long way from the muzzle and trigger guard.
 
M1911-

The numba one reason why I do it the way I do is because I can do it that way in the dark or in the light. I can do a visual inspection that way or a tactile one. All I have to do is open my right hand and stick my index finger into the chamber to check the condition of the weapon. This is possible with using the rear serrations but its just not as comfortable for me.
 
I got in the habit of doing it w/ rear serrations. Half my guns don't have front ones, and if I do it with the front ones on my Beretta, that barrel can get hot sometimes. Yeeeowwch!!! :eek:
 
I want to sell my M1A when I leave Cali....I don't enjoy shooting it that much.

Stop trying to sell that thing to me, I told you I don't want i!! :D

I like those external extractors, so the Kimber is appealing.
 
Daniel: I understand that line of reasoning. The thing is, when I load my CCW and/or home protection gun, I'm doing so in a lighted place, where I can easily perform a visual check.

Personally, I figure that my chances of 1) getting in a gunfight, that 2) requires a reload, and 3) that reload not result in the chambering of a round, is pretty slim. So I really don't worry about having to do a tactile check. I'm a lot more worried about getting my fingers near the muzzle of a loaded gun. YMMV.
 
M1911, I understand your argument. However, do you not practice one hand shooting, draws, and mal drills. Do you not practice the blind swordsman drills, you LFI grad you?

Isn't the purpose of the pistol to avoid trouble by being ready? Cannot the argument be made that press checking, while of marginal overal utility, CAN be necessary?
 
Physical/finger press-checks are VERY important. Visual is useless when you most likely need it -at night.
 
Front cocking serrations are worthless. Fortunately, you CAN have them milled off. :D

On topic, if you've already got a Wilson, a Kimber is just a step down in all departments. Especially if long-term durability is your bag. And the external extractor is just a chump modification Kimber had to make because their lowest-bidder MIM extractors kept on breaking.
 
M1911- I do a tactile check every night before I go to bed after the lights have been shut off. In doing so I know that my wife and I are going to be sleeping next to a ready weapon. YMMV of course.
 
Hey, the Divinyls, I liked them! Don't get very excited about front serrations, but I can live with the ones on my SA. Of course, when i pick up my Champion, it'll be front serration free:cool:
But, getting back to the Divinyls...
 
M1911- I do a tactile check every night before I go to bed after the lights have been shut off. In doing so I know that my wife and I are going to be sleeping next to a ready weapon. YMMV of course.
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I do mine in the AM, before I holster the gun. Then I put in the lock box before I go to bed. So I'm doing the chamber check in the light.
Isn't the purpose of the pistol to avoid trouble by being ready? Cannot the argument be made that press checking, while of marginal overal utility, CAN be necessary?
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I understand your point. The issue for me is probability. Yes, I practice one-hand shooting, drawing, and malfunction drills. I view the possibility of requiring those as greater than that of my gun not chambering a round. YMMV.
 
Back to the topic?

I have just returned from my first range session with a new TLEII which I acquired for a very good price. These are my impressions (I am not a gunwriter, nor do I play one on THR):
1. It's accurate . The first 50 rounds of Winchester white box 230 gr FMJ went into a fist-sized group at point-of-aim from varied distances (10-25 yards), handheld. Particularly gratifying was a 7-shot large ragged-hole in the center of the head "A"-zone, from a rest at 25 yards.
2. It's reliable .Not a hiccup in over 250 rounds of mixed FMJ, 230 Gr Golden Sabers, and 230 Gr Hydra-shocks.
3. It's tight.
4. It's got the sweetest trigger I've ever pulled. Don't own a scale, but if that's 41/2-5 lbs, my finger is stronger than I thought. Just crisp, not so light as to be questionably safe.
5. Esthetically, I, too, hate the forward serrations
;) .
This is the first higher-end 1911 I have ever owned, but it is well worth the $775, + tax I paid for it ( told you it was a good price!). whether it's better than a Wilson, I will leave to others. YMMV.
 
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