Korean M1 Garands

[Glockula]

How about the M48 and bolt sniper rifles? Are they rebarreled when shot out? Surely they are DRMO'd at some point. These would make a cool limited CMP run. Barret .50 caliber has never been full auto. There are a few modern weapons that could get to the cmp. Beat up govy M16 parts kits seem like a bad idea. I have seen what those rifles go through. They would need to be inexpensive.

 

[AlexanderA]

The CMP is NOT an agency of the US government.......

Technically, the CMP is a wholly-owned corporation created by the U.S. government, in other words an "instrumentality" thereof, just like the Postal Service. For purposes of 922(o), that's good enough to qualify as an "agency" of the government. Of course this assertion would have to be tested in court, just like the converse assertion would.

 

[P5 Guy]

IIRC, there were many more 'War Babies' M1 Carbines made for WWII than M1 Garand Rifles. How come the M1 Carbines have been sold out for a decade (almost)? Where did all those 6 million 'War Babies' disappear to?

 

[4v50 Gary]

War Babies come home!

 

[AlexanderA]

IIRC, there were many more 'War Babies' M1 Carbines made for WWII than M1 Garand Rifles. How come the M1 Carbines have been sold out for a decade (almost)? Where did all those 6 million 'War Babies' disappear to?

They were surplussed out long before the Garands. I remember back in the early 1960's when M1 carbines (and M1911 pistols) were available to NRA members through the DCM (predecessor of the CMP) at really low prices, at the same time that Garands were unavailable, except for a few that were released to state shooting teams, and some others that were made up commercially from rewelded scrapped receivers. Sears, Montgomery Ward, and Western Auto were selling these reclaimed Garands for $80 to $100 while the DCM was selling carbines for less than $20.

 

[hdwhit]

Atla wrote:
You hand me any two weapons, one with wood on it and one with polymer. I'll tell you the wood has it the feeling of 'soul' every time.

Sounds like something a Druid would say.

 

[hdwhit]

someguy2800 wrote:
This is how I see gun control politics. Both political party's are just pandering on gun control. The Democrats talk about it because they think it wins votes ... but they rarely try to do anything about it at the federal level for fear of NRA dollars ... Republicans talk about defending it because there base demands they do, but they won't do anything about reducing existing regulations because that just gives the other side something to point fingers at them ... neither party gives a hoot about gun control, they just tell their base what they want to hear and we happily listen.

I concur.

 

[Merle1]

The CMP is NOT an agency of the US government.......

Title XVI of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1996 (Public Law 104-106, 10 February 1996) created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety (CPRPFS) to take over administration and promotion of the CMP.[2] The CPRPFS is a tax-exempt non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation chartered by the U.S. Congress, but is not an agency of the U.S. government (Title 36, United States Code, Section 40701 et seq.).

then how can they ship firearms direct to the consumer?

 

[PaFrank]

then how can they ship firearms direct to the consumer?

As I understand it, its part of their Congressional charter.

 

[CapnMac]

then how can they ship firearms direct to the consumer?

They could have an FFL.

 

[CoalTrain49]

The CMP carbines are all gone. They aren't likely to get anymore. IIRC they had a few hundred about a year ago but they were gone in a few hours after the doors opened. People had timed their CMP paperwork to arrive on or shortly before the first day of the sale. They are the ones who got the rifles with people standing in line at the store when they opened the doors.

I have mine and it isn't going anywhere for a long time.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The "consumer" who receives a gun through the CMP goes through a lot of vetting. So, yeah, they can receive a gun direct from the CMP.

I have a "Blue Sky" commercial import M1 carbine in bought in 1990, an IBM 1943; I shot it in the Vintage and Modern Military matches at the local club then got a Yugo M70AB2 to shoot in the modern (cheap Wolf and Tula ammo v .30 carbine) and still shoot my M1 in the vintage (when I don't shoot a 91/30). My carbine seemed to be in used but very good condition. The legitimate worries seem to be that a lot of M1 carbines in Korean possession (a) may not be in as good shape as the first wave of Korean imports in late 1980s and (b) some may have partial or complete T17 or T18 field conversion to M2 select fire mode. The less legitimate worries, in my book, seemed to be that (a) commercial M1 carbine makers do not want the competition and (b) antigunners see m1 carbine as a semi-automatic assault weapon. Which is a shame. I am tempted to get a decent new M1 clone as a shooter and retire my IBM 1943 as an example of a Korea /Viet Nam War rebuild issue. I suspect other M1 carbine users might feel the same. If my suspicion is true, sales of Korean M1 carbines might stimulate interest in commercial M1 carbines. M1 carbine is a piece of history (WWII, Korean, VietNam) and is suitable for any game that the Winchester .32-20 is suitable for. As well as being as good a self-defense weapon with softnose hollowpoints as the .357.

 

[cfullgraf]

then how can they ship firearms direct to the consumer?

There are one or two states that require the CMP guns to be sent through an FFL, I think NJ is one, I forget the others.

I am tempted to get a decent new M1 clone as a shooter and retire my IBM 1943 as an example of a Korea /Viet Nam War rebuild issue. I suspect other M1 carbine users might feel the same.

Yes, I got a recent manufacture Auto Ordinance Paratrooper carbine. It takes some wear and tear off my WWII vintage carbines and I figured that I could never afford an actual vintage paratrooper carbine.

 

[cfullgraf]

The CMP carbines are all gone. They aren't likely to get anymore. IIRC they had a few hundred about a year ago but they were gone in a few hours after the doors opened. People had timed their CMP paperwork to arrive on or shortly before the first day of the sale. They are the ones who got the rifles with people standing in line at the store when they opened the doors.

At least before the current Chief Operating Officer of CMP took over in 2014, CMP would not accept orders for special sales before the announcement of the sale. The announcement of the sale was the opening of the sale.

Folks would hover over their e-mail accounts and the CMP web site waiting for the announcement of the sale. Folks would have their paperwork ready to send and many would instantly send it overnight delivery to insure the order got there in time before the stock was exhausted.

Definitely a "you snooze, you lose" scenario.

I have not participated in any of these sales for several years so things may have changed with the new COO.

 

[CoalTrain49]

All I know is the USGI carbine prices have started a full power climb. Who knows where they will be in 5 years.

Good ones are around a thousand dollars now. I suspect in 5 years they will be around 1500.

 

[someguy2800]

I passed one up 10 years ago for 300 and am still kicking myself

 

[CoalTrain49]

I passed one up 10 years ago for 300 and am still kicking myself

I've owned two. Still have one that I'll keep for a few more years. The one I sold was an import with a used up barrel. Just didn't want to spend the money to re-barrel it with an after market barrel. It was what you would call a shooter $700 and it went fast.

People who just want a good example to play around with are already priced out of the market. Collectors are trolling for parts, any parts they can find. It's unfortunate.