chuckusaret
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e mail sent to Kroger's at 12:58pm 3/6/09 on boycott of all Kroger stores.
Kroger Sticks to Its (Anti-Freedom) Guns!
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TR,
Would you post the email you received to add to this one so that they can't dodge the facts with claims of not knowing what the cards were intended for?
Thanks
Would you post the email you received to add to this one so that they can't dodge the facts with claims of not knowing what the cards were intended for?
Thanks
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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We got 'em on the run, boys - keep firing! :gigglesnark:
moooose102
Member
$@%#!$%$*(&*^_)(*&^%%$# anti-gun (*YY^%$^#@#!!!!!! i will be writing him shortly! i am so fed up with anti-gun people trying to SHOVE their veiws down my throat i could just PUKE!
highorder
Member
whoa, who is shoving what where?
You can shop wherever you like, and write leters to whomever you like.
Kroger can support whatever silly hollow cause they like.
I can see the Corporate HQ from the highway on my commute home. Who in the Cincinnati office should I schedule a meeting with?
TexasRifleman
Moderator Emeritus
I've got a question in to someone about it before I post an email publicly.
I'm not quite sure that's proper, regardless of the reason.
I will post the relevant portion, though not the name of the person, at this time.
This is from someone in Texas divisional management as far as I can tell.
I'm not quite sure that's proper, regardless of the reason.
I will post the relevant portion, though not the name of the person, at this time.
This is from someone in Texas divisional management as far as I can tell.
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No misunderstanding. At the very least this is guilt by association. When you mingle with people of this type you will be held accountable. When you support them, then you will monetarily punished for doing so.
The only appropriate response to anyone attempting to undermine any amendment to the Constitution is to tell them you do not want to be associated with them. Now it's time to pay the piper until you get your affairs in order.
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I apologize you feel this way. Again, as I stated to your friend, while we do hold Cease Fire programs in other states, we actually had nothing to do with the TX gun buyback. This was funded by the state of TX and they simply purchased our gift cards – we did not contribute to this program in any way.
Also, it was not our intent to get in the way of anyone’s rights. The programs that we do sponsor are simply in place for those who WANT to turn in their guns. But again, we did not contribute to the TX buyback. I hope this helps clarify the situation, and I apologize for the misunderstanding.
The only appropriate response to anyone attempting to undermine any amendment to the Constitution is to tell them you do not want to be associated with them. Now it's time to pay the piper until you get your affairs in order.
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I apologize you feel this way. Again, as I stated to your friend, while we do hold Cease Fire programs in other states, we actually had nothing to do with the TX gun buyback. This was funded by the state of TX and they simply purchased our gift cards – we did not contribute to this program in any way.
Also, it was not our intent to get in the way of anyone’s rights. The programs that we do sponsor are simply in place for those who WANT to turn in their guns. But again, we did not contribute to the TX buyback. I hope this helps clarify the situation, and I apologize for the misunderstanding.
MaterDei
Member
I have a couple of comments/suggestions.
1. This is a necessary battle and needs to be fought. Even if their ONLY involvement in anti-gun activities is Cease Fire then that is enough.
2. We should probably start sending, or at least copying, our correspondence to somebody in public relations in Cincinnati. The URL for customer comments (https://customer.kroger.com/comments/comments.aspx) on the web site will ensure that the right audience receives the information. If everybody just sends their comments to a specific person who might happen to be anti you can guess how many of these will end up where it matters.
3. Please include your Kroger card number with any comments. This is usually your phone number. If you do this then they can verify that you are indeed a customer and not just a pro-gunner responding to an online appeal. I recently put together a budget for my family and, according to my bank statements, in 2008 I averaged $1,880 per month at Kroger alone (I have 6 kids). If a couple hundred of us with similar spending habits decided on a boycott then we are talking about real money, even for Kroger.
4. Almost all of my grocery shopping is done at Kroger and they need to know this. They are close to my home, but so is HEB and switching to them will not be a big inconvenience.
Thanks guys for starting this fight!
1. This is a necessary battle and needs to be fought. Even if their ONLY involvement in anti-gun activities is Cease Fire then that is enough.
2. We should probably start sending, or at least copying, our correspondence to somebody in public relations in Cincinnati. The URL for customer comments (https://customer.kroger.com/comments/comments.aspx) on the web site will ensure that the right audience receives the information. If everybody just sends their comments to a specific person who might happen to be anti you can guess how many of these will end up where it matters.
3. Please include your Kroger card number with any comments. This is usually your phone number. If you do this then they can verify that you are indeed a customer and not just a pro-gunner responding to an online appeal. I recently put together a budget for my family and, according to my bank statements, in 2008 I averaged $1,880 per month at Kroger alone (I have 6 kids). If a couple hundred of us with similar spending habits decided on a boycott then we are talking about real money, even for Kroger.
4. Almost all of my grocery shopping is done at Kroger and they need to know this. They are close to my home, but so is HEB and switching to them will not be a big inconvenience.
Thanks guys for starting this fight!
kolob10
Member
Just fired off an email and stated that I will no longer patronize the stores.
JR47
Member
We live in Georgia. Kroger stores here aren't placarded about CCW, nor are they supporting gun buy-backs.
I would hope that anyone emailing Kroger Corporate uses better grammar, punctuation, and spelling than evidenced so far.
I would also hope that we read the thread's posts at least well enough to understand that the "he" in question is a "she".
I have had several opportunities to be published in the Atlanta Journal Constitution on matters involving Georgia legislation on CCW and guns in general. I did so by being informative, stating resources, and pointing out the fallacies of the opposing writers. I DID NOT make threats, use slang, or look like a fifth grade student in my choice of words, grammar, and punctuation.
This will require more research. We hold "Chris" accountable for her words, then add supposition on our part, and still hold her accountable for the newly achieved outlook.
Post #10 revealed that the person is female. Post #13 spoke of believing that Kroger gave a discount on it's cards. Post #14 had an unspecified "organizer" telling us who sponsored the buy-back. Post #17 also stated that "no public funds " were used.
Let's provide something besides innuendo here. If letter writing is going to be done, these "facts" need to be verified with links identifying names and positions.
If Kroger has done something that you don't like, fine, shop elsewhere, and voice your displeasure. However, before making accusations, provide the information as to where they came from. Otherwise, you may as well hope that letter-writing is cathartic enough, because they will simply press DELETE.
I would hope that anyone emailing Kroger Corporate uses better grammar, punctuation, and spelling than evidenced so far.
I would also hope that we read the thread's posts at least well enough to understand that the "he" in question is a "she".
I have had several opportunities to be published in the Atlanta Journal Constitution on matters involving Georgia legislation on CCW and guns in general. I did so by being informative, stating resources, and pointing out the fallacies of the opposing writers. I DID NOT make threats, use slang, or look like a fifth grade student in my choice of words, grammar, and punctuation.
This will require more research. We hold "Chris" accountable for her words, then add supposition on our part, and still hold her accountable for the newly achieved outlook.
Post #10 revealed that the person is female. Post #13 spoke of believing that Kroger gave a discount on it's cards. Post #14 had an unspecified "organizer" telling us who sponsored the buy-back. Post #17 also stated that "no public funds " were used.
Let's provide something besides innuendo here. If letter writing is going to be done, these "facts" need to be verified with links identifying names and positions.
If Kroger has done something that you don't like, fine, shop elsewhere, and voice your displeasure. However, before making accusations, provide the information as to where they came from. Otherwise, you may as well hope that letter-writing is cathartic enough, because they will simply press DELETE.
TexasRifleman
Moderator Emeritus
I wasn't aware that only the best educated and well spoken were allowed to voice their opinion on Constitutional matters.
I value substance over style myself.
What would you be more worried about losing, Tex, illiterate Rednecks that "are probably on welfare anyway" or professionals with a crapload of loose change to toss away on stuff other than the bare staples.
Let's face it, education often coincides with money (with rappers being the exception to the rule). My guess is that there isn't a whole lot of port wine cheese and filet mignon floating around the trailer parks as of late.
Let's face it, education often coincides with money (with rappers being the exception to the rule). My guess is that there isn't a whole lot of port wine cheese and filet mignon floating around the trailer parks as of late.
I got this reply this morning, after stating in my original message no response was warranted or expected.
from Chris (Christina).
Thank you for your feedback. Again, as I have told the others, we had no involvement in the TX buyback program. This was funded by the state of TX and they simply purchased our gift cards.
What this woman replied to was what the OP got as a reply. "Our Cease Fire Program" etc. I happily pointed this out, and haven't heard anything since.
My reply to Chris's assertion that "Kroger had no involvement":
You will find that your mere participation in matters of this nature, directly or indirectly, is a horrible business decision. Gun ownership is at an all-time high in this country, and millions of people are now buying firearms for the first time.
Your use of Brady Campaign "misinformation" along with statements about "our cease fire act" only seem to solidify your anti-gun and thus anti-self defense position.
Specifically (emphasis mine):
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• You want to do something to reduce the number of gun accidents, suicides, and homicides.
• You understand that a gun in the home is much more likely to kill or injure a family member or friend than it is to protect you.
These are the reasons we have put the Cease Fire act in place. Please visit http://www.ceasefireoregon.org/coef/turnin.html (which is our published Cease Fire movement for Oregon from 2008) for more information. I will notate your concerns and forward them to our management."
from Chris (Christina).
Thank you for your feedback. Again, as I have told the others, we had no involvement in the TX buyback program. This was funded by the state of TX and they simply purchased our gift cards.
What this woman replied to was what the OP got as a reply. "Our Cease Fire Program" etc. I happily pointed this out, and haven't heard anything since.
My reply to Chris's assertion that "Kroger had no involvement":
You will find that your mere participation in matters of this nature, directly or indirectly, is a horrible business decision. Gun ownership is at an all-time high in this country, and millions of people are now buying firearms for the first time.
Your use of Brady Campaign "misinformation" along with statements about "our cease fire act" only seem to solidify your anti-gun and thus anti-self defense position.
Specifically (emphasis mine):
"
• You want to do something to reduce the number of gun accidents, suicides, and homicides.
• You understand that a gun in the home is much more likely to kill or injure a family member or friend than it is to protect you.
These are the reasons we have put the Cease Fire act in place. Please visit http://www.ceasefireoregon.org/coef/turnin.html (which is our published Cease Fire movement for Oregon from 2008) for more information. I will notate your concerns and forward them to our management."
Things seem to be getting complicated on the Kroger support of the Dallas buy-back question. I contacted Kroger Corporate headquarters and asked about their support of the Dallas buy-back. I received a telephone call from a representative of their's this afternoon and exchanged emails with a Ms. Diggs.
Here's the exchange.
BTW, I had a productive conversation with Ms. Diggs this afternoon. Turns out her father is an enthusiastic firearms collector. She expressed shock that information from an anti organization would have been used in an official communication sent by a representative of Kroger.
Here's the exchange.
BTW, I had a productive conversation with Ms. Diggs this afternoon. Turns out her father is an enthusiastic firearms collector. She expressed shock that information from an anti organization would have been used in an official communication sent by a representative of Kroger.
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TexasRifleman
Moderator Emeritus
So they are saying they unknowingly sold the gift cards to Better Dallas Safer Dallas with no idea what the purpose was?
Even though others in their company say the buyback was supported by Kroger?
My email, from Christie Metropulos in Consumer Affairs, states that Kroger participated in the buyback.
Yesterday someone in the same department says they sponsored the buyback, now today they didn't.
I don't believe we are at a true answer yet......
Even though others in their company say the buyback was supported by Kroger?
My email, from Christie Metropulos in Consumer Affairs, states that Kroger participated in the buyback.
Yesterday someone in the same department says they sponsored the buyback, now today they didn't.
I don't believe we are at a true answer yet......
Deltaboy1984
Member
no more shopping at Krogers!
Carne Frio
Member
I think it's strange that Kroger is doing that,when the Fred Meyers chain, which is a division of
Kroger, sells guns in the stores here in Alaska.
Schitzophrenic is the word that comes to mind.
chuckusaret
member
Kroger is a very large company. I recommend each of you should go to: www.thekrogerco.com/
We have many many different stores that can be boycotted
We have many many different stores that can be boycotted
chuckusaret
member
Kroger's
The reply from Kroger to my e-mail:
The City of Dallas has a program this Sat. for a hand gun turn-in for a $50 Kroger Gift Card.
Kroger is not sponsoring the program, the city is simply using Kroger Gift Cards as the reward for turning in the gun. Here are the rules as we know them:
* The hand gun must be in working order
* 1st come 1st served until all 450 cards are given out
* The Dallas police are accepting the guns and giving out the cards
* The event is at the Reunion Area
The above info was from: [email protected]
The reply from Kroger to my e-mail:
The City of Dallas has a program this Sat. for a hand gun turn-in for a $50 Kroger Gift Card.
Kroger is not sponsoring the program, the city is simply using Kroger Gift Cards as the reward for turning in the gun. Here are the rules as we know them:
* The hand gun must be in working order
* 1st come 1st served until all 450 cards are given out
* The Dallas police are accepting the guns and giving out the cards
* The event is at the Reunion Area
The above info was from: [email protected]
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We may have a local vs regional vs corporate set of responses.
Making gift cards available at a discount to a 501c3 not-for-profit doesn't require corporate approval on the store level with WalMart or Home Depot. They have a certain dollar value allocated per month they have the discretion to hand out. We may have the same situation.
The whole email that DTW posted and the string I posted is easier than a snipet to follow and interpret.
I asked that Kroger check in on this thread so they can get to the bottom of what took place. Let's help make that possible.
If our pressure has made Kroger corporate aware of something done on a regional, state or local, or even an individual store, level that doesn't comply with their corporate desires then we have an opportunity to help them better define what is and is not acceptable charitable giving.
Making gift cards available at a discount to a 501c3 not-for-profit doesn't require corporate approval on the store level with WalMart or Home Depot. They have a certain dollar value allocated per month they have the discretion to hand out. We may have the same situation.
The whole email that DTW posted and the string I posted is easier than a snipet to follow and interpret.
I asked that Kroger check in on this thread so they can get to the bottom of what took place. Let's help make that possible.
If our pressure has made Kroger corporate aware of something done on a regional, state or local, or even an individual store, level that doesn't comply with their corporate desires then we have an opportunity to help them better define what is and is not acceptable charitable giving.
Sounds bogus to me. Fast talking pr person musta come up w/that.
Why go to the trouble of buying the kroger gift cards instead of giving the ignorant fools the $50? Kroger IS involved, plain and simple, or else the sheeple who participate would not be DIRECTED TO KROGER. Free country you spend the money wherever you please, wouldn't be DIRECTED TO KROGER.
I sent them an email. Just 2 of us and our couple of pets and so the economic impact from us is in the neighborhood of $600+/month. Money is money. Pennies add up.
Why go to the trouble of buying the kroger gift cards instead of giving the ignorant fools the $50? Kroger IS involved, plain and simple, or else the sheeple who participate would not be DIRECTED TO KROGER. Free country you spend the money wherever you please, wouldn't be DIRECTED TO KROGER.
I sent them an email. Just 2 of us and our couple of pets and so the economic impact from us is in the neighborhood of $600+/month. Money is money. Pennies add up.
chuckusaret
member
We had a gun buy back here last year and I could see by the type people that were participating why they don't give money. The money would have been used to buy crack or booze.
Very few buy backs give cash. Most of them give gift cards. The cards have restrictions on what can be bought. This reduces the chance of adverse press coming from the buy-backs "paying" for alcohol or drugs.
I have gotten local Home Depot managers to contribute out of their monthly allocation for charitable donations to provide materials and/or gift cards for a youth blacksmithing event. My wife has gotten WalMart to do the same for her Girl Scout troop.
Both have told us that they have higher level programs that have to be preapproved that will contribute. Talking with them has lead us to understand that there are many corporations that deal directly with the public that have several levels of charitable giving, individual stores, district, regional and national levels exist with a full range of discretion from the individual store manager on up.
Drop into any Home Depot or WalMart and ask to talk to whoever is responsible for charitable donation programs (a manager or charitable giving coordinator) and get educated about how extensive it is.
Even if this is a single store, a district or regional decision we can make a difference letting the Kroger headquarters know they need to set policy prohibiting ANY level of participation in anti tactics like gun buy-backs.
I have gotten local Home Depot managers to contribute out of their monthly allocation for charitable donations to provide materials and/or gift cards for a youth blacksmithing event. My wife has gotten WalMart to do the same for her Girl Scout troop.
Both have told us that they have higher level programs that have to be preapproved that will contribute. Talking with them has lead us to understand that there are many corporations that deal directly with the public that have several levels of charitable giving, individual stores, district, regional and national levels exist with a full range of discretion from the individual store manager on up.
Drop into any Home Depot or WalMart and ask to talk to whoever is responsible for charitable donation programs (a manager or charitable giving coordinator) and get educated about how extensive it is.
Even if this is a single store, a district or regional decision we can make a difference letting the Kroger headquarters know they need to set policy prohibiting ANY level of participation in anti tactics like gun buy-backs.
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