Lawn Salesman came banging on my door.

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What I find strange is that he told you he just got out of prison. Who says that when they're trying to find some day labor work?

Anyway, I've enjoyed everyone's comments, I learned a lot.
 
13 Things a Burglar Won't Tell You....

I received this in an email today.. and I immediately thought of this thread.. It has some good advise...

13 THINGS YOUR BURGLAR WON'T TELL YOU

I am particularly interested in the part about the wasp spray...

1. Of course I look familiar. I was here just last week cleaning your carpets, painting your shutters, or delivering your new refrigerator.

2. Hey, thanks for letting me use the bathroom when I was working in your yard last week. While I was in there, I unlatched the back window to make my return a little easier.

3. Love those flowers. That tells me you have taste... and taste means there are nice things inside. Those yard toys your kids leave out always make me wonder what type of gaming system they have.

4. Yes, I really do look for newspapers piled up on the driveway. And I might leave a pizza flyer in your front door to see how long it takes you to remove it..

5. If it snows while you're out of town, get a neighbor to create car and foot tracks into the house.. Virgin drifts in the driveway are a dead giveaway.

6. If decorative glass is part of your front entrance, don't let your alarm company install the control pad where I can see if it's set. That makes it too easy.

7. A good security company alarms the window over the sink. And the windows on the second floor, which often access the master bedroom - and your jewelry. It's not a bad idea to put motion detectors up there too.

8. It's raining, you're fumbling with your umbrella, and you forget to lock your door - understandable. But understand this: I don't take a day off because of bad weather.

9. I always knock first. If you answer, I'll ask for directions somewhere or offer to clean your gutters. (Don't take me up on it.)

10. Do you really think I won't look in your sock drawer? I always check dresser drawers, the bedside table, and the medicine cabinet.

11. Here's a helpful hint: I almost never go into kids' rooms.

12. You're right: I won't have enough time to break into that safe where you keep your valuables. But if it's not bolted down, I'll take it with me.

13. A loud TV or radio can be a better deterrent than the best alarm system. If you're reluctant to leave your TV on while you're out of town, you can buy a $35 device that works on a timer and simulates the flickering glow of a real television. (Find it athttp://www.faketv/.com/)

8 MORE THINGS A BURGLAR WON'T TELL YOU:

1. Sometimes, I carry a clipboard. Sometimes, I dress like a lawn guy and carry a rake. I do my best to never, ever look like a crook.

2. The two things I hate most: loud dogs and nosy neighbors.

3. I'll break a window to get in, even if it makes a little noise. If your neighbor hears one loud sound, he'll stop what he's doing and wait to hear it again. If he doesn't hear it again, he'll just go back to what he was doing. It's human nature.

4. I'm not complaining, but why would you pay all that money for a fancy alarm system and leave your house without setting it?

5. I love looking in your windows. I'm looking for signs that you're home, and for flat screen TVs or gaming systems I'd like. I'll drive or walk through your neighborhood at night, before you close the blinds, just to pick my targets.

6. Avoid announcing your vacation on your Facebook page. It's easier than you think to look up your address.

7. To you, leaving that window open just a crack during the day is a way to let in a little fresh air. To me, it's an invitation.

8. If you don't answer when I knock, I try the door. Occasionally, I hit the jackpot and walk right in.

Sources: Convicted burglars in North Carolina , Oregon , California , and Kentucky ; security consultant Chris McGoey, who runs http://www.crimedoctor.com/ and Richard T. Wright, a criminology professor at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, who interviewed 105 burglars for his book Burglars on the Job.


Protection for you and your home:
If you don't have a gun, here's a more humane way to wreck someone's evil plans for you.


WASP SPRAY

A friend who is a receptionist in a church in a high risk area was concerned about someone coming into the office on Monday to rob them when they were counting the collection. She asked the local police department about using pepper spray and they recommended to her that she get a can of wasp spray instead.

The wasp spray, they told her, can shoot up to twenty feet away and is a lot more accurate, while with the pepper spray, they have to get too close to you and could overpower you. The wasp spray temporarily blinds an attacker until they get to the hospital for an antidote. She keeps a can on her desk in the office and it doesn't attract attention from people like a can of pepper spray would. She also keeps one nearby at home for home protection.. Thought this was interesting and might be of use.

FROM ANOTHER SOURCE:
On the heels of a break-in and beating that left an elderly woman in Toledo dead, self-defense experts have a tip that could save your life.

Val Glinka teaches self-defense to students at Sylvania Southview High School . For decades, he's suggested putting a can of wasp and hornet spray near your door or bed.
Glinka says, "This is better than anything I can teach them."
Glinka considers it inexpensive, easy to find, and more effective than mace or pepper spray. The cans typically shoot 20 to 30 feet; so if someone tries to break into your home, Glinka says, "spray the culprit in the eyes". It's a tip he's given to students for decades. It's also one he wants everyone to hear. If you're looking for protection, Glinka says look to the spray.

"That's going to give you a chance to call the police; maybe get out." Maybe even save a life.

Put your car keys beside your bed at night.
Tell your spouse, your children, your neighbors, your parents, your Dr.'s office, the check-out girl at the market, everyone you run across. Put your car keys beside your bed at night.

If you hear a noise outside your home or someone trying to get in your house, just press the panic button for your car. The alarm will be set off, and the horn will continue to sound until either you turn it off or the car battery dies. This tip came from a neighborhood watch coordinator. Next time you come home for the night and you start to put your keys away, think of this: It's a security alarm system that you probably already have and requires no installation. Test it. It will go off from most everywhere inside your house and will keep honking until your battery runs down or until you reset it with the button on the key fob chain. It works if you park in your driveway or garage. If your car alarm goes off when someone is trying to break into your house, odds are the burglar/rapist won't stick around. After a few seconds all the neighbors will be looking out their windows to see who is out there and sure enough the criminal won't want that. And remember to carry your keys while walking to your car in a parking lot. The alarm can work the same way there. This is something that should really be shared with everyone. Maybe it could save a life or a sexual abuse crime.
 
Wasp Spray

The use of wasp an hornet spray has been widely advised by instructors,and others in classes, on the Internet, and in periodicals. I'm afraid that most of that advice has omitted two very important things.

First, the eye damage caused by wasp spray will likely be permanent unless it is treated immediately, and that means that its use against humans can constitute the use of deadly force.

Second, that may be the least of one's problems if one uses it for defense.

There is a Federal law that covers the use of wasp spray for uses other that killing wasps and hornets. USC Section 18, Part 1, Chapter 11B, Chemical Weapons makes it unlawful for anyone to knowingly receive, stockpile, retain, own, possess, or use, or threaten to use, any chemical which, through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals, except for "any peaceful purpose related to an industrial, agricultural, research, medical, or pharmaceutical activity or other activity."

Criminal penalties includes fines, imprisonment (up to life) and even the death penalty, if death results. There is also a provision for hefty civil penalties, which of course do not require the Government to prove the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

It is important to realize that this is entirely separate from state use of force laws; there is no defense of justification, and the case would be prosecuted by an Assistant US Attorney in a Federal court presided over by a Federal District Judge. It is very possible that facts concerning the reason for the unlawful use would not be admitted into evidence.

Pepper spray and chemical mace are specifically exempted from the law.

One could hope that the Assistant United States Attorney would use his or her discretion to not prosecute someonf tor using wasp spray for self defense unter extreme circumstances, but when one considers the number of people who have ended up with federal criminal convictions under what anyone in his right mind would judge to be entirely innocent circumstances, that would not be a prudent gamble at all.

In cases involving a whole raft of Federal laws, "innocent" means that one did not do it.

One would be better off using pepper spray if deadly force is not justified. If deadly force is justified, one would be better off using a firearm.
 
Do not open the door to strangers.

It's really that simple. There is NO safe way to open a door to a knock.


I've never understood how these "sketchy-stranger-at-the-door" threads continue past this inevitable and definitive advice.

I've also never understood how a panicking potential victim is supposed to successfully and accurately deploy wasp spray - or any other spray - directly into the eyes of an attacker.
 
I would have lost it when he put his foot in the door and kept me from closing it. Then again, I don't think I would have opened the door. However, in this situation was it better for the guy to be run off and have a bad taste in his mouth than to assume no one was home and try and break in? Tough call.
 
Cop Bob,
Thanks for your posting those items, I'll make copies shortly.
I'm retired, my wife works outside the home, just myself and the 3 kids { dogs}. We have a "No Soliciting" sign on the front door, alarm sign by the front step, and yet you can't believe the people that still ring the door bell wanting to sell anything. Lawn service fliers are stuck in the door everyday, I don't mind that, just don't ring the bell 25 times. Sales people know our city has a requirement of a license to sell, have to provide it to knock on doors. I've called the PD many times when they start to get mouthy, the picture taking thought in a prior message is a good one! I've started carrying my SP 101 in a pancake holster around the house, shirt over it when I go outside, neighbor's know I carry too. Just trying to keep the honest people honest when they come to my front door.
 
It's a lo-o-o-o-o-o-o-ng stretch ....

.... to envision this as "strategy OR tactics."
 
At least your dog just gave this guy 100 reasons not to try coming back to your house when you're gone! I've got a German Shepherd/Akita mix and Great Pyrenees (something mix) here at the house, and I think they make an excellent deterrent against people who have bad intentions. A gun may prove to be the last line of defense, but a motivated dog may very well prevent you from ever having to use that tool.

My dogs like to be in my front yard, and I usually put them out on a line out there so they can watch the world go by. Usually they are content to lay around and be dogs, but they'll definitely make their personalities known when they don't like the look of someone walking down the street (more often than not they are simply embarrassing me in front of my neighbors by barking, but every now and again I go outside and see that they are scaring an unsavory looking person... which kind of makes me smile).
 
Kleanbore, thanks for posting that.. I am unaware of any "civilians" being filed on in Federal court for anything like this, but that does not mean that it will not, or cannot happen.. And you are absolutely right, the rules of evidence in the Federal Courts are not pretty. As stated that was received in a email, and well to be honest, the only part of Title 18 of the US Code that I ever worried about was Sec. 241-242... but those days are behind me.. Most Federal Agencies that I worked with would much prefer that charges be filed in the State District courts, for what ever reasons, usually drugs.. However, weapons cases on illegal NFA's no problem.. It would only stand to reason that a chem weapon charge would be entirely plausible.. Thank you...

It stands to reason, I do remember in the late 70's early 80's one company came down to pitch laser sights to our SWAT Team, they met at the range, along with members of the Command Staff, and of course City Legal... Back then, lasers were much more powerful than they are today. Everyone LOVED them, however there was the caution against shining them in a suspects eyes, that due to the power of the 1st Generation Lasers, that Blindness and or permanent eye damage would result.. The Legal Department put an immediate and long lasting quash on the purchase, and their logic stuck with me for years.. "It's OK to Kill em,, you just can't Blind them. We don't want to get sued."

So for that very reason, and as Kleanbore Pointed out... I DO NOT RECOMMEND THE USE OF WASP SPRAY FOR SELF DEFENSE.. except in the event your are attacked by Yellow Jackets, or Red Wasps.. BE safe, be aggressive in your defense, but above all BE RIGHT WITHIN THE LAW...!!!
 
4. Yes, I really do look for newspapers piled up on the driveway. And I might leave a pizza flyer in your front door to see how long it takes you to remove it..


#4 really irks me ...

I was out of town for labor day weekend, and like always I make sure there aren't any overt signs that I'm away - had Saturday's mail held, trash cans were brought up, yard was nice and well manicured, exterior lights on timers (as always) etc. Came home Monday night and found a pizza flyer stuck to my door.

Problem is I don't see what the solution to this is, save for asking the neighbors to keep an eye out and remove any flyers.
 
comet605,

Have you talked to the police? They should really know about this guy. If he is just out of prison he will most likely be on parole and is known to them. They may recognize him from your video.

That he banged on your door then tried the knob and walked around to other parts of your house is all very very suspicious. (Note post #52 from Cop Bob.
8. If you don't answer when I knock, I try the door. Occasionally, I hit the jackpot and walk right in.
10 to 1 this guy went to prison for burglary.

Show the cops the video, if they recognize him they can go check him out and see if his story is true. If his story is total BS then he has violated his parole and they can put him back into prison.

Glad you are OK.
 
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This guy did not want to burglarize your house with you in it. That's why he knocked so loudly, to see if anyone was at home.
 
Peephole. Great investment.

Back before my parents split, we would just make my father answer it. 6' 7" in his work shoes, he opens the door and drawls out a "Yes?"

Ever see the Adam's Family?

More than a couple people 'had the wrong address'.
 
Thoughts on home security

1)
near the garage is another entrance door that cant be seen from the street (bushes blocks the view)

This detail leaped out at me. Cut back those darn bushes!

2) When I was a door-to-door salesman, I made it a point to hit doors that had "No Soliciting" signs. I figured the sign deterred all the other salesmen, and that the folks put up the signs because they knew they couldn't say "No".

3) Dogs will deter amateur burglars and even most pros. But if the pros think you really have something worth stealing (especially guns), a determined pro can make short work of a dog.

When I was in the security biz, and folks said, "I don't need a security system; I have a dog", I would point this out. A dog is only truly effective if he's expendable; if he's a member of the family, then you need a security system to protect the dog.

Have you poison-proofed your dog? It's not hard to do. Go to http://leerburg.com/poison.htm to learn how; you can proof them against drinking anti-freeze also.

4) Alert and concerned (or even "nosy") neighbors are still one of the best parts of your security program. Cultivate some kind of relationship with your neighbors. I wouldn't tell them about my guns, though.

When I was in charge of security for a large auto dealership surrounded by private homes, I made sure that we gave turkeys to all the neighbors at Thanksgiving and at Christmas. It paid off in watchful eyes all year long. When I first moved into my current home, I did the same thing.

5) This has been said already, but don't open the door!
I'm always amazed, when watching TV, at how many people respond to a knock on the door by immediately opening it. Even on supposedly realistic cop shows, even those set in NYC, even cops in their own homes will open the door without a clue who or what is on the other side!
 
The guy was probably going to break in to your house if you weren't home.

That's what burglars have been doing around my area lately. Bang on the door, nobody answers, they figure it's "safe" to break in.

I've always told my wife DO NOT answer the door for strangers. With this latest tid bit of info, I've now asked her to just yell through the door if somebody knocks.
 
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