Lightweight Rifle Bolt-Action

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Malamute said:
It varies with velocity and bullet shape. Higher velocity and/or pointier bullets shoot "flatter" compared to slower and/or less aerodynamic bullets/loads. The term for man aeordynamic bullet is ballistic coeficient. The higher the number, the more streamlined it is. Neither the 110 gr carbine bullet nor the 220 gr round nose are very streamlined compared to many other options.

The thing about "nosedive" is, the more aerodynamic a bullet is, the farther it travels before it begins to trend downward. The pointier it is, the less air drag and less drop for a given range. The time factor isn't as relative to the topic as how far the bullet goes in that time.

If a 30-06 kicks your butt, a 308 wont be much different with similar bullet weights. There just isnt a lot of difference in power levels until you get above 180 gr bullets. A lighter rifle will also have more felt recoil, all else being equal. The 308 can do 200 gr loads alright, the '06 does 220's, though there isnt a lot of need for the heaviest for most uses. Premium grade medium/heavies penetrate about as well as standard grade heavier bullets. Also, be realistic in what you are going to do with it. If you arent shooting moose and grizzlies in thick brush, the abilty to use the heaviest loads isnt that much of an issue.
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I'm not worried about the .308 kicking my butt. I can shoot my cousins 30-06 (rem 700) just fine. But the tikka t3 lite is special. I wasn't worried about bulled weights either,was just trying to make my tikka have softer felt recoil.
 
so earlier you mentioned that the .30-06 kicks your butt any day of the week. now your saying that you shoot your cousin's 700 just fine. it appears that you already have a tikka, so is it that you are looking for something slightly heavier to help with recoil, or a way to make your tikka have less felt recoil? your posts are all over the place.
 
My humble opinion?? Install a nice recoil pad. I have found that I can take just about any recoil with a halfway decent pad on the gun. I am not a huge guy, or thickly muscled.

Keep in mind, a "scout" purpose rifle is NOT meant to be fired a lot. Think "shoot and run"....."shoot and run"....so recoil shouldn't be that much of a factor, as long as you can man up and take it.
 
"Which one has a better arc, is that's better way to ask the question?"


Uhh..... Not really.

You really should ask about ballistic coefficients and sectional density...

Actually, you should Google the terms and put some effort into understanding them, so you can intelligently discuss the subject of external ballistics, which is the subject that you are asking about.

Let me save you some time:

Read:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_ballistics


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_coefficient

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectional_density


Then play with this for a while:

http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator


Then come and ask questions.


Willie

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back40 said:
so earlier you mentioned that the .30-06 kicks your butt any day of the week. now your saying that you shoot your cousin's 700 just fine. it appears that you already have a tikka, so is it that you are looking for something slightly heavier to help with recoil, or a way to make your tikka have less felt recoil? your posts are all over the place.
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The Tikka is irrelevant. I sorta got off topic to see if I could have my tikka produce less felt recoil. Anyways, I was looking at the GSR to see what people thought, and if anyone else had any other suggestions.
 
Boxhead said:
I was not aware that the GSR was a lightweight rifle? Also, why do you want light given the "patrol" application. I like and use a number of light weight rifles but it is because I climb mountains chasing critters.
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I would like a lighter rifle because it might be used on a very long walk of roughly 30 miles. The less weight the better.
 
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Great thread! I may just stop buying ammo for my current guns, get an M1 and invest in reloading supplies for all the wonderful .30-06 variations just discussed...


Meanwhile, however, these completely off-the-wall suggestions are relatively light weight:

CZ Model 527 Carbine, chambered in 7.62 X 39 (I have one!)

Lever carbine in .30-30... (I want one!)


*runs away*
 
A lever? Come to think of it, if you can find an old Winchester 88, especially a carbine, that might be a great candidate. My 88 is a great, really really handy rifle that can only be improved with a slightly shorter barrel.

88's getting expensive though....I happened into mine almost by accident.
 
I held a New browning BLR that I think was called the hog hunter. It had 18" barrel, was a take down, and was 308 magazine fed and you can put a scout scope on it. With what I already own it doesn't make sense. It is a nice rile though.
 
Sheepdog1968 said:
I held a New browning BLR that I think was called the hog hunter. It had 18" barrel, was a take down, and was 308 magazine fed and you can put a scout scope on it. With what I already own it doesn't make sense. It is a nice rile though.
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Yes, I spent a considerable time drooling over that exact model before I happened across a deal on a Win 88 I couldn't pass up.

The price on that model BLR is hefty though.
 
so is it 30 mi in a day? or 30 mi over 2 or 3 days. cross country, or on roads, trails, etc.? what do you envision needing to shoot during these outings?

it's still unclear exactly what you want this rifle for. additional info would likely get you better and more specific recommendations from others with experience in similar situations.
 
It will be over small hills and plains (I live in country). What I'll be shooting at? Good question. It mostly won't be for hunting, I'm pretty confident on that. How long will it take? Two days tops. Will my life be in danger? Maybe.
 
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