Loadout

[WrongHanded]

Nobody carries pocket sand?

I do. But I don't buy the commercial stuff, I collect my own on an annual trip to Utah. Great sand out there. I scrape it directly from the rocks in Moab.

On a more serious note: I'm not sure what the scenario is exactly, but I'd rather be a grey man than a tactical tommy.

If I'm going to play at being a tank, my minimum armor requirement is a full cherry set of T-51b.

 

[westernrover]

100% the best thing to do first. Then build your gear up from the basic start used to complete those courses adding gear in greater variety and expense as you can afford to and as you train with it.

Funny, because the last course I went to, the instructor recommended body armor.

 

[JTHunter]

One keychain has a dinky little flashlight running on a button cell. It's only good for looking a map at night or finding the right key. The other keychain has a little MagLite AAA Solitaire (LED) that is brighter at ~50 lumens. I also carry a 3-blade pocket knife and, when I can, a single blade folder on a belt sheath. I like that one as I can open it with just one hand.
Both vehicles have "dual style" flashlights (3 on the end, 27 on the side) and at least two chemical flares under one of the seats. Both also have small fire extinguishers and small tool kits with a couple of spare fuses, etc.
I do not have a CCP nor do I plan on getting one as I already send too much money to IL-ANNOY. What I do have is some "unconventional weapons", different for the car and pick-up.

 

[theotherwaldo]

Up until recently, most of the elected officials in the city where I work wore body armor.
It was just part of living on the Texas border at that time.
They probably aren't doing that anymore - although they DO ban open carry in city hall... .

 

[drobs]

Paul Harrel has a good video on this. Do bring your cell phone w/ camera everywhere with you.


Jump to 7 minutes 18 seconds to get pas the his spiel on what a reasonable amount of ammunition is.

1. Handgun and a reasonable amount of ammo.
2. Cell phone. Call 911 immediately after a defensive shooting.
3. Camera (comes with most cell phones). Document the scene and send those photos / videos to to a friend.
4. A handheld flashlight separate from a gun mounted flashlight
5. A lawyers business cards and if possible a lawyer on retainer.

 

[Kleanbore]

Jump to 7 minutes 18 seconds to get pas the his spiel on what a reasonable amount of ammunition is.

1. Handgun and a reasonable amount of ammo.
2. Cell phone. Call 911 immediately after a defensive shooting.
3. Camera (comes with most cell phones). Document the scene and send those photos / videos to to a friend.
4. A handheld flashlight separate from a gun mounted flashlight
5. A lawyers business cards and if possible a lawyer on retainer.

I'm surprised at the omission of pepper spray. It is always a good idea to have the option of less-lethal defensive force.

 

[dweis]

I just carry my Ruger pistol with 15+1 plus an extra 15, and a folding knife with 3 inch blade. I have my light, compass, maps, comm gear, in my iPhone. I travel light, but I am ready to fight.

 

[theotherwaldo]

I might make suggestions about what folks might want to carry.
I won't say what I actually carry.
No one needs to know this but me... .

 

[herrwalther]

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[Kleanbore]

I travel light, but I am ready to fight.

You do not want to be quoted as having said that if you ever do have to fight.

 

[AlexanderA]

Loadout. That word carries connotations.

You're not a soldier equipping himself for combat. If conditions are that bad in your day-to-day existence, it may be time to re-examine your lifestyle.

Or, just hunker down, fortify your residence, and never venture out.

 

[dweis]

You do not want to be quoted as having said that if you ever do have to fight.

I appreciate your thought about my words. I don’t share that concern. I stated a fact that I would have no hesitation to repeat on a witness stand. Being ready to fight is not the same as seeking to fight. Seeking to fight is foolish and dangerous. Being ready to fight is just common sense self-defense.

 

[Kleanbore]

I appreciate your thought about my words. I don’t share that concern. I stated a fact that I would have no hesitation to repeat on a witness stand. Being ready to fight is not the same as seeking to fight. Seeking to fight is foolish and dangerous. Being ready to fight is just common sense self-defense.

All of that is very true.

The problem, should it arise, lies in how it it could be taken in combination with any other elements of the incomplete picture pieced together after the event.

It is prudent to avoid creating or putting forth anything that others could take as an indication of mens rea.

By the way, the witness stand is a very dangerous place on which to be.

 

[The Night Rider]

Had there been any indication of that in the OP, we would have closed the thread immediately. That would violate forum rules.

Can you come up with another, plausible reason why the average citizen's "Loadout" would include a helmet, NOGs, an LBE with Multiple 30 round magazines? Plus an Aid Bag (as opposed to an IFAK)?

 

[The Night Rider]

With regards to the post above this one, I absolutely believe that a private citizen should be able to own and carry whatever Armament and Equipment they deem necessary and prudent.

I might draw the line at crew served weaponry or explosives.

Having said that, I have to put the above mentioned equipment so far down on the priority scale that it might as well not even be there.

I just can't come up with a realistic scenario in which all of that equipment would be essential that I would have any reasonable chance of surviving.

There's a reason why the military doesn't send out the Infantry individually. They don't even send out snipers alone.

You can have all that stuff if you want and that should be your right but unless you're operating with a fire team you're not going to last.

And I just can't see anyway to acknowledge that reality without getting into the discussion of a citizen militia and WROL and TEOTWAKI and all those other things that are against the rules to discuss in this forum.

Again, the only justification that you should need to own any of this equipment is "Because I want to" but I just can't come up with any practical use for it unless you are into serious overkill.

 

[Kleanbore]

Folks, remember this from our forum rules:

SHTF, TETOWAWKI, and fantasy/zombie scenarios will not be entertained here, nor will we engage in discussions relating to the preparation for possible societal breakdown, foreign invasion, and so forth.​

Night Rider's points above are well taken. He refers to a post, now deleted, about of equipment that does not relate to usage within the scope of the forum

 

[The Night Rider]

Night Rider's points above are well taken. He refers to a post, now deleted, about of equipment that does not relate to usage within the scope of the forum

That Night Rider guy seems like a pretty smart cookie.

I bet he's handsome too

 

[dweis]

All of that is very true.

By the way, the witness stand is a very dangerous place on which to be.

Absolute truth. I served as an expert witness in civil copyright suits for seven years. I gave hundreds of hours of testimony on the stand, being hammered by the opposing lawyers. I also had to testify in a criminal case back in 1983 because I had apprehended a serial rapist in the act. The defense attorney worked hard at getting me to say something wrong. I did not. The rapist got a fifteen years sentence. I got a certificate from the Camden, NJ police department. They spelled my name wrong on it. You are right though. The best place to be in a courtroom is in the audience if you have to be there at all.

 

[Good Ol' Boy]

My "loadout" is the same its been for years now.

G26 with G19 mag with spare G19 reload, torch, knife, keys and wallet.

I know it would be nice to carry some kind of IFAK but I'm already wearing enough for a EDC set up.

 

[WTBguns10kOK]

Youtube hivemind has been useful in using peer pressure to force the gear guys to analyze whether they should carry everything they want to, as well as if they're missing anything critical. If people were honest with themselves, it's like hair....generally as you age, you realize you can make do with less.