GoldieMI
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48 Degrees...I will fix that lol.-48 degrees!!!
Long Range Rifle/Scope/PRS question(s)
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GoldieMI
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I've pushed it faster but didn't see any better SDs than where I'm at currently.
Varminterror
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My 26” Bartlein with 105’s over 30.5 Varget is 28-teens to 20s for multiple barrels in the Lapua brass, and the 109’s over the same load are 2790’s in Alpha brass, 2780’s in Lapua. My 26” Proof is 2790’s for the 109’s in Alpha, 2800’s to teens with the 105’s - all of them over 30.5grn Varget.
My son shot our state PRS club opener last month with scrap ammo from both of our rifles from 3 different matches from last season (no prep race, we weren’t planning to shoot, just watch, until he got invited to shoot it the night before because there weren’t any other juniors entered) - I even had to push back the ammo from my Proof 20 thou to fit the Bartlein on his rifle. 2 lots from my rifle 105’s and 109’s in Alpha brass, and one lot from his rifle, 105’s in Lapua. We had to bump him down and left 0.1, but this was his “aggregate” group when we tested 3 shots each to see how much zero offset each load was going to have - it was great to see “none.” He just changed bullet profiles in StrelokPro as one lot ran out and he moved to the next one. The social media group post about our abysmal zero board target for the match had a running joke that the 10yr old kid had one of the smallest groups on the page, looked like a lot of folks were pretty rusty after taking the winter off…
I can get a bit more than another grain and a half into the case before I run into pressure with the 105’s in Lapua brass, but this load is just a sleeper - it always delivers, so even though I’m ~100-150fps slower than I could be, it just shoots, so I shoot it.
My son shot our state PRS club opener last month with scrap ammo from both of our rifles from 3 different matches from last season (no prep race, we weren’t planning to shoot, just watch, until he got invited to shoot it the night before because there weren’t any other juniors entered) - I even had to push back the ammo from my Proof 20 thou to fit the Bartlein on his rifle. 2 lots from my rifle 105’s and 109’s in Alpha brass, and one lot from his rifle, 105’s in Lapua. We had to bump him down and left 0.1, but this was his “aggregate” group when we tested 3 shots each to see how much zero offset each load was going to have - it was great to see “none.” He just changed bullet profiles in StrelokPro as one lot ran out and he moved to the next one. The social media group post about our abysmal zero board target for the match had a running joke that the 10yr old kid had one of the smallest groups on the page, looked like a lot of folks were pretty rusty after taking the winter off…
I can get a bit more than another grain and a half into the case before I run into pressure with the 105’s in Lapua brass, but this load is just a sleeper - it always delivers, so even though I’m ~100-150fps slower than I could be, it just shoots, so I shoot it.
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I'm running around 2925 with 105 Hybrids and Lapua cases with RL-15 & 2975ish with RL-15.5 in Alpha cases, a little faster in the heat.
My initial 8208 test the other day averaged 2927.5 for three shots at 30.8 Grs.
It will be interesting to see what the Varget does.
My initial 8208 test the other day averaged 2927.5 for three shots at 30.8 Grs.
It will be interesting to see what the Varget does.
Shot an NRL-22 match at Altus today. Only five people. They had it scheduled for Easter Sunday, morons, changed it at the last minute to today. Jeff took first, I took third. Fun day, but we stunk at picture taking today. 
I took one video of him on the last stage, if I can figure out how to post it later.
Beautiful day for shooting, some cool stages, some tough ones, some horizontally challenged targets in switching winds.
I took one video of him on the last stage, if I can figure out how to post it later.
Beautiful day for shooting, some cool stages, some tough ones, some horizontally challenged targets in switching winds.
MarshallDodge
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It looks like a nice day.
What was the distance of the furthest targets?
What was the distance of the furthest targets?
GoldieMI
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5 man squad, single squad- how long was the match?Shot an NRL-22 match at Altus today. Only five people. They had it scheduled for Easter Sunday, morons, changed it at the last minute to today. Jeff took first, I took third. Fun day, but we stunk at picture taking today.
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I took one video of him on the last stage, if I can figure out how to post it later.
Beautiful day for shooting, some cool stages, some tough ones, some horizontally challenged targets in switching winds.
JFrank
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Low nodes seem to shoot well, it’s odd to me that guys would use a full blown race cartridge to run a low node, why not just shoot a straight six ?
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Lower pressure for the same performance - or maybe just preferring Dasher over BR, especially since choosing Dasher or BRA no longer involves a choice to fire/hydroform. I’m not sure I’d call the Dasher a full blown race cartridge though - it’s still a sub-length case. 300fps and 10grns of powder behind even a 6 Creed, which is still giving up a lot of ground in downrange performance to stuff like the 6.5 PRC, 6 SAUM, or 300wsm.
But Dasher was again the most popular single cartridge at the PRS Finale last year, and was the most popular among top ranking competitors - 5 of the top 10 and 10 of the top 25 finishers were shooting Dashers.
Yes, single squad, went quickly
JFrank
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They stole it from us !! ( I’m assuming it cycles better the the BR)
I always thought there is a cool factor to say ‘Dasher’ most guys I know run them at near 3000fps for LRBR, I’m not sure how fast King Richard Shultz runs his but yeah in my mind when you blow a shoulder forward .100 and change to a 40* shoulder increase the speed by 150 fps it’s a full blown race cartridge. Now days off the shelf brass makes it’s easy for everyone to get a piece of cool.
The BRA is slowly taking home the long range agg records and setting new world records for small groups.
Either variant is cool with me, 6 mm rule the roost.
JFrank
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As a side note, I could run higher pressure in my bra with the Bat B action , even up to 3000 fps but it shoots small around 2900 so I just follow the target and don’t get hung up on speed.
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To be honest, I don't think so - the round length and the feed lip support in final feeding are exactly the same for BR and Dasher. Personally, I think a lot of guys short stroke their bolt too often and like blaming their rounds or their mags - George Gardner and Tom Jacobs invented the 6mm GT to "solve the feeding problem with Dashers," and a lot of us were scratching our heads as to why - I can run my Dashers in mags without blocks and feed just fine. But then a couple of years later, George worked with MDT to revamp their magazines because GT's weren't feeding... And again, a lot of my folks are scratching their heads as to what was going wrong that folks thought GT's weren't feeding... I have a bunch of 6BR cases from one of my old barrels that I've ran as dummies in my match rifles - I just can't get them to choke. Hell, even feeding into my 6 Creed barrel in my Seekins action, I can't get them to choke... But apparently a lot of folks have issues, so we made new cartridges, new followers, mag blocks, and new mags to solve a problem that I'm not sure ever really existed...
I'm more prone to think that more rifles are getting slapped together by folks who don't know what they're doing, because drop in stocks/chassis' and headspaced drop-in barrels are more prevalent, but nobody is actually checking to determine if these rifles will actually feed worth a piss once they're assembled. But it's an unpopular opinion...
I'm not sure the point in talking about anyone "stealing" anything - and I might point out, for all it did for the Dasher, BR never had the momentum to promote factory brass be made. I started shooting Dasher over 20yrs ago, before the PRS came around and LONG before it was even adopted for "Police/Tactical matches," because it was a great specialty pistol cartridge, and it wasn't until a few years ago that I could buy factory brass with a Dasher headstamp and shoulder ready to fire. It's hard for me to justify a full swap from Lapua BR brass, but options exist today, and it wasn't because of Benchrest shooters... Were it not for Magnetospeed and the T1000, PRS shooters never would have adopted the 6 Dashers/BRA's anyway.
PRS just isn't a pressure game, and we don't benefit as much from velocity as do the group shooters - our targets are pass fail. Yes, my 6 creed can make my targets 0.2 mils wider than my Dasher, but it also pushes me off of target a lot more. PRS a high volume reliability game where recoil is a significant penalty. When I started 8 seasons ago, some folks WERE still pushing pressure, and I carried a solid steel cleaning rod with a blunt jag on the leg of my tripod because at EVERY match, someone on squad around me would need to knock out a stuck case that failed to extract, either because it was raining or it was hotter than when they did their load dev, or they'd never shot the rifle through 250 rounds of a 2 day and their fouling condition was causing increased pressure... or we'd all be cringing in the latter half of a match day while we watch a shooter bruising their hand because they had to slap their sticky bolt open on every stage... I never needed the rod myself, because I was pushing a 6 Creed at Dasher speeds. Now, I push a Dasher at BR speeds. Cases last FOREVER and I never get extraction issues or sticky bolt.
JFrank
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Just teasing you a bit.
rdnktrkr
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What weight trigger is best for a Bergara B14R? looking around I've found, Rifle Basix, Timney, Trigger Tech, Jewel, Bix’n Andy, Keeping the price around $150, I'm leaning towards Trigger Tech and Rifle Basix, both offer adjustable pull weights from ounces to pounds, Is 1.5lbs light enough or should I be looking at the 8 ounce versions?
MarshallDodge
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At the $150 price point, I would probably choose the Rifle Basix.
Choosing a trigger can be a bit of personal preference. I like the Timney Calvin Elite triggers, but unless you find them on the used market, they are ~ $250.
The Triggertech Diamond model is the only one that I would own. I was not impressed when trying other models from them.
Choosing a trigger can be a bit of personal preference. I like the Timney Calvin Elite triggers, but unless you find them on the used market, they are ~ $250.
The Triggertech Diamond model is the only one that I would own. I was not impressed when trying other models from them.
I haven't tried a Rifle Basix trigger, so can't comment on them. The TT Primary is pretty good, my brother has one on his Bergara 14R.
That said, in time you'll likely want lower than 1.5 pounds as you get used to handling the gun and especially if you try a TT Diamond
or BixNAndy Tac Sport Pro X etc adjusted to around 6/7/8 Oz.
The TT Primary is an upgrade from the stock Begara 14R trigger, although for factory, it ain't bad.
That said, in time you'll likely want lower than 1.5 pounds as you get used to handling the gun and especially if you try a TT Diamond
or BixNAndy Tac Sport Pro X etc adjusted to around 6/7/8 Oz.
The TT Primary is an upgrade from the stock Begara 14R trigger, although for factory, it ain't bad.
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Bix n’ Andy TacSport Pro or TT Diamond. Under 1 lb.
The B14R is a light rifle, it doesn’t take as much to push it around with trigger weight.
I have Diamonds in my PRS rifles set at 6-8 oz, a Jewel in one rifle set at 4oz, and my son runs his Diamond at 10oz.
GoldieMI
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I’m running the TT diamonds in my PRS guns
Rimfire and Centerfire
Rimfire and Centerfire
Shot at Altus today. Around 50% of the targets were over 800 yards, around 25% were over 1K, fun.
I had a brain fart on one stage that cost me a zero and really hurt. Tough match, but fun. I hit a bunch
of 1K plus targets, which was awesome. The 8208 did well, but I'm going to have to back off to a lower
node, as I had four or five cases that were hard to extract and the hardest one has some pressure signs.
I shot one round after it was over and the Garmin said 2963 FPS at 88 degrees, exactly ten FPS over the
five round 2953 FPS average the other day at 70 degrees. I though that was pretty good. So, backing off
to 30.4/30.6, will shoot those again.
I was 17th out of 44 and Jeff was 7th overall.
Jeff and I forgot to exchange pics/vids........so none of me.
I had a brain fart on one stage that cost me a zero and really hurt. Tough match, but fun. I hit a bunch
of 1K plus targets, which was awesome. The 8208 did well, but I'm going to have to back off to a lower
node, as I had four or five cases that were hard to extract and the hardest one has some pressure signs.
I shot one round after it was over and the Garmin said 2963 FPS at 88 degrees, exactly ten FPS over the
five round 2953 FPS average the other day at 70 degrees. I though that was pretty good. So, backing off
to 30.4/30.6, will shoot those again.
I was 17th out of 44 and Jeff was 7th overall.
Jeff and I forgot to exchange pics/vids........so none of me.
LiveLife
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Time flies when you are having fun.It's been 4 years and 4 months since i asked about rifles and scopes for PRS, crazy how time flies.
Wife and I can't believe 29 years have passed and our 25 year old daughter goes, "I am proof" to remind us.
