M-1 Carbines or M-1 Garands, anyone? South Korea auctions guns to fund miltary

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You will see many rants on that thread about the laws of supply and demand - some of them mine - and we are always shouted down. Apparently the gun market is exempt from the law in this regard.
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That's because it is a theory, not an absolute law.
 
"The M1 was first manufactured in 1926 and was used by U.S forces in the Second World War, Korea and during the Vietnam War. The model was only replaced by the M16 in the 1980s.

I thought that was the 60's? Or am I mistaken? "

The M1 Garand was adopted for service by the U.S. Army in 1936, but production was slow. Most units of the U.S. Armed Forces were still armed with the 1903 Springfield at the start of the U.S. involvement in the war on December 7, 1941. It wasn't until production was pumped up at the Springfield Armory, and then Winchester, that the rifles started to get to the troops. My father was at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked by the Japanese, and shot at the straffing Japanese planes with his '03. When he went to Guadalcanal in October of 1942, he was still armed with the same '03, as were the rest of the Marines there. They first saw M1's when they were relieved by the Army, but the Marines retained their '03's for about another year.

The Garand was replaced by the M14 rifle in 1956. When I went into the Marine Corps in 1965, I was issued an M14, and carried it for the next 6 years. The M16 was issued to troops embarking for Vietnam around 1968 or so, but a lot of the stateside troops in the Marine Corps were still issued M14's.

The M16, and it's variants has been the issue rifle since then.

Hope this helps.

Fred
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Wow, thank you!
 
wouldnt the koreans have to turn these rifles back into the US govt? i dont know how else they would be allowed to reimport them
 
There's a thread on in in the CMP forum, here's what Orest Michael's has to say:

"For the past five years, we have been reading the same Internet reports that Korea has been approved to sell some Garands and carbines. The CMP is not involved in this in any way. We do not know if it is true and we have no standing to find out. Even if true, we will not be involved in the purchase of these rifles, since this is beyond our charter. Sorry we can’t help."

Orest Michaels
Chief Operating Officer




I think its a bunch of bologna from Australia. The US Congress has to approve the importation of US Martial arms back into the country and we've no news of that happening. The CMP would not be involved in something like this as they get their surplus rifles transferred to them by the US Army.
 
ok... so I am not impressed by this at all.

Why would I want some korean gun, when I could get one with an american history?

Its not like garands are UNavailable with a US past.

Call me crazy but... "This gun might have been used by a man named Kwan Suk Do in Ping Pong Province" doesnt thrill me.

Can someone clue me in why these guns are "cool"?
 
Because they are Genuine US Martial Arms that were transfered to Korea. Many had served in WW2. They are still M1's and M1 carbines but I hear many of the Korean carbines are M2, and Uncle says we mustn't play around with those. :(
 
Call me crazy but... "This gun might have been used by a man named Kwan Suk Do in Ping Pong Province" doesnt thrill me.

Can someone clue me in why these guns are "cool"?
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They are cool because they are Garands, and have some American history. It's not like S. Korea manufactured them - we did. They might have been carried by a man named Kwan, but they might also have been shot by a man named Audie.
 
ok... so I am not impressed by this at all.
Why would I want some korean gun, when I could get one with an american history?
Its not like garands are UNavailable with a US past.
Call me crazy but... "This gun might have been used by a man named Kwan Suk Do in Ping Pong Province" doesnt thrill me.
Can someone clue me in why these guns are "cool"?
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but owning a US garand an action hero does not make.


Doesn't matter who owned it befre; it's a fine piece of machinery, and that's why I want one
 
Doesn't matter who owned it befre; it's a fine piece of machinery, and that's why I want one
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ok. not to start any fights or anything, but I must be missing something.


But, those garands arent exactly accurate, they are heavy, low capacity, and have been thru a LOT.

If it ISNT for the historical value, are they really worth owning due to the "machinery"?

I really think that any modern autoloading 30-06 would be a better peice of "Machinery".

Thus the only reason I can see for owning a Garand is due to the history and significance of it.

As a tool, I would think it leaves a lot to be desired.
 
wow, I hope this doesn't sound harsh, but it sounds like you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

garands arent exactly accurate, they are heavy, low capacity, and have been thru a LOT.
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M1 rifles are quite accurate.

The rest of your "points" [strike]sound like a kid happy with his airsoft.[/strike] are subjective.
 
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Just for S.... and giggles, what does a new semi automatic in 30-06 go for these days. Patton must have been an idiot for calling Garands the best. Garands can shoot perfect scores with iron sights at 600 yards. They weigh about the same as AR's do these days. If 8 rounds aren't enough, 1. you are in the wrong place at the wrong time 2. you load 8 more rounds. 3. you load 8 more rounds. You can take big game at 300 yards without exotic bullets. They don't crap where they eat. They were the bulwark of free society's around the world. Just because you souless prig.
 
These are rifles were sold to Korea as U.S. surplus, so they almost definitely were used by American soldiers, in addition to South Korean Soldiers.

The BBC also reported on this story, so there's more than one source.

The US Congress has to approve the importation of US Martial arms back into the country and we've no news of that happening.
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I thought that was only for guns from the lend-lease act?
 
This is from an old THR thread on the subject in 2006:

Some months back Orest Michaels admitted that the CMP had inspected the M1's still in Korea and had passed on any deal to bring them back to the Army, hence to CMP.

He stated that condition of the M1's remaining in Korea was well below what could be considered "Rack" grade. Barely even "Parts Grade" quality. In addition, the Koreans were demanding prices way in excess of current value.
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Just for S.... and giggles, what does a new semi automatic in 30-06 go for these days. Patton must have been an idiot for calling Garands the best. Garands can shoot perfect scores with iron sights at 600 yards. They weigh about the same as AR's do these days. If 8 rounds aren't enough, 1. you are in the wrong place at the wrong time 2. you load 8 more rounds. 3. you load 8 more rounds. You can take big game at 300 yards without exotic bullets. They don't crap where they eat. They were the bulwark of free society's around the world. Just because you souless prig.
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yeah ok.. whatever. sheesh.


But seriously stepping back into reality from "Garand-worshipping-heavenville" arent they normally 4 - 8 MOA rifles as they come from the CMP? I have never shot one that was especially accurate. Even by AK standards. Seriously, and all jabs aside, am I missing something here?


I DO understand the cool factor, but I was referring to the actually value of the gun as a tool. so dont jump all over me. I would love one, for its HISTORIC and cool factor.


And, seriously dude, if you think a M1 at like 10 lbs weighs the same same as a M4 at like 6 lbs... ok.

And I dont even really know what airsoft is.
 
I have 2 Garands, one from the CMP and a Korean expat gun. The CMP gun originally grouped into about 3 in. After a complete accuracy job, with the original barrel, it groups into 1.25-1.5 in. with ball, and better with ammo it really likes.
The expat gun grouped into about 12-15 in. with the original barrel. It now has a new barrel, new wood, and accuracy job. Groups into something like 1.5 in.
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I found this from an earlier garand thread, and it talks about the korean guns. So apparently with gunsmith work they can be made reasonably accurate. huh.
 
But seriously stepping back into reality from "Garand-worshipping-heavenville" arent they normally 4 - 8 MOA rifles as they come from the CMP? I have never shot one that was especially accurate. Even by AK standards. Seriously, and all jabs aside, am I missing something here?
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Depends on who is shooting the rifle. Could be much better or much worse.
 
This is from an old THR thread on the subject in 2006:




Some months back Orest Michaels admitted that the CMP had inspected the M1's still in Korea and had passed on any deal to bring them back to the Army, hence to CMP.
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He stated that condition of the M1's remaining in Korea was well below what could be considered "Rack" grade. Barely even "Parts Grade" quality. In addition, the Koreans were demanding prices way in excess of current value.
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I'm thinking this deal is not going to amount to much. Best bet is stick with the CMP if at all possible. In 95 percent of the cases, it should be possible.

But OMG, you will have to get a paper notarized! :what:
 
Dom1104

You're getting too worked up here.

Here are the facts I think:

  1. Lot's of people love Garands and want one (we're not talking about you here).
  2. Lot's of people love M-1 Carbines and want one (we're not talking about you here).
  3. This news report has those folks anticipating (rightly or wrongly) an influx of USGI rifles into the market.
  4. Those folks are anticipating (rightly or wrongly) that such an influx may mean good prices.
  1. Need anybody really need more to be excited (again, we're not talking about you)?
  2. Just don't buy one and buy what you'd like...your local gun shop will thank you and everybody wins.
 
I think they'll probably sell for not too much more than CMP. The real difference, however, will be if they come close to CMP's idea of 'minimum quality', and whether or not they are worth the money for whatever they end up being.

I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra to not wait for it to ship months after the order, but at the same time, I would like to have a nice, functional, and somewhat clean/cleanable M1.

Guess I'll wait and see what the verdict is.
 
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