M-1 Carbines or M-1 Garands, anyone? South Korea auctions guns to fund miltary

[PT1911]

These ARE US ARMED FORCES Garands. They are from an old lend lease program and the Koreans are now trying to sell them back rather than give them back as was the agreement. They are property of the US government and thus cannot be auctioned off and brought into the country legally. The only way to get them legally into the country is through the CMP. As I said, there was talk of them paying 50 dollars a gun (shipping fees so to speak) but that was shot down by the higherups at the CMP.
Currently, these guns cannot be imported legally.

 

[Hacker15E]

These ARE US ARMED FORCES Garands. They are from an old lend lease program and the Koreans are now trying to sell them back rather than give them back as was the agreement. They are property of the US government and thus cannot be auctioned off and brought into the country legally.

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Do you have some evidence that this was the actual terms of the Military Assistance Program under which ROK obtained these particular Garands?

There are many, many different types of MAPs, and just as many different terms under those agreements. NOT ALL of them require the materiel to be returned to the US when the country is no longer using them.

My understanding was that this particular batch of rifles was from a Military Sales Program, and not any kind of lend/lease agreement. In other words, the ROK paid for 'em, and can do whatever they please with them.

 

[Mr.Davis]

These ARE US ARMED FORCES Garands. They are from an old lend lease program and the Koreans are now trying to sell them back rather than give them back as was the agreement. They are property of the US government and thus cannot be auctioned off and brought into the country legally. The only way to get them legally into the country is through the CMP. As I said, there was talk of them paying 50 dollars a gun (shipping fees so to speak) but that was shot down by the higherups at the CMP.
Currently, these guns cannot be imported legally.

With sincere respect, that sounds well and good, but do you have any evidence that this is the case? You sound quite sure, so I'd like to know the source of your information.

On another note...

In respect to earlier speculation about the CMP's involvement: Here's some information from the Chief Operating Officer of the CMP indicating that the CMP is in no way involved with the rumored importation of the Korean guns: http://www.thecmp.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3319

 

[PT1911]

Just saying what has filtered down to me from the CMP... the guns were lend lease and they were in talks to "sell" them back to the US government. Those talks fell through as the gov was not willing to pay for something they already owned... IF they have somehow come to a deal allowing the guns to be sold by the Koreans, then that is a different situation altogether and I think we should all be pissed about it as it is not the Koreans that should be compensated for these guns it is THIS COUNTRY.

 

[PT1911]

correction... 10 dollars a gun plus shipping and that was refused by the CMP board members as the guns are US PROPERTY and thus the CMP is the only entity that actually has claim to them.

 

[Palehorseman]

Are these to be M-1, or M-2 carbines? The M-2 is a fully automatic carbine, (and it is fast) but maybe they can be retro fitted back to M-1 version.

I remember being on the range one cold wet snowy day back in Germany back in the 1950s. We were freezing our tails off and the range officer said that anyone who went full auto would have to be disqualified and head back to the billets. All you could hear up and down the line was the click of selectors. When they said commence firing, almost all were on full auto go. I could not believe how fast that thing spit out 15 rounds from that clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xz_qffdVXk

 

[Palehorseman]

["Sounds good. Now, how can we get the Russian s to do the same with every bolt gun and semi-auto they've stashed? Theve've got to have a bunch somewere. "]

The Russians bought tens of thousands of Model-95 Winchesters in 7.62x54 during WW-1. I would suspect they have more than a few stashed in warehouses somewhere. I would sure like to have one of those in good shape.

 

[Trebor]

The Russians bought tens of thousands of Model-95 Winchesters in 7.62x54 during WW-1. I would suspect they have more than a few stashed in warehouses somewhere. I would sure like to have one of those in good shape

A large batch of those Model 95 Winchesters were allegedly offered by the Russians for sale a few years ago. From what I heard though, the Russians wanted pretty much what would be considered the full "retail" price of of each gun. The importer passed as that would have made the final price too high to leave any room to mark up the guns for a profit.

 

[Skid_McCoy]

I hope these weapons come back to the US to fall into the hands of civilians who will treasure and honor them, and not to the black market to support insurgents worldwide.

 

[Nick5182]

I'd love to get my mitts on one of those Garands...or two...or eight.

 

[wishin]

.........There are many, many different types of MAPs, and just as many different terms under those agreements. NOT ALL of them require the materiel to be returned to the US when the country is no longer using them.

True. Having worked 18 years for a defense contractor, I never heard of a single case where automotive vehicles provided under MAP auspices needed to be returned to the US. As a matter of fact, I witnessed many cannibalized American military trucks in bone-yards in several third world countries, that were originally MAP equipment. In many cases, these vehicles, costing 100's of times more than small arms, were reparable. The term often used to give away the US gear was "forgiven loans".

 

[evan price]

Are these to be M-1, or M-2 carbines? The M-2 is a fully automatic carbine, (and it is fast) but maybe they can be retro fitted back to M-1 version.

If they were M2 models, the BATFE would not allow them to be re-imported, because of their "Once a machinegun, always a machinegun" philosophy. They would have to be destroyed.