M-700 here we go again.

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Geo, I would lean towards option no. 3 (assuming the trigger mech. isn't replaced), but poor maintenance & cleaning regimen will only increase the chances of an occurrence.

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Questions:

1. That this is an issue that can / does develope over time & use of the safety and natural parts wear ?

I did not get the impression from the CNBC telecast that the non-trigger pull firing issue is one that increases in frequency when the gun ages or increases as the gun is used more than when it is new out-of-the-box. Remington's own test show a small percentage of guns will fire without a trigger pull.

2. Regarding my rifle's history & care to date, I'll likely never have it happen if kept clean if it hasn't done it yet?

I owned an old 700 (pre 1970) for 10 years and never had any issues. Since the safety needs to come off before you can unload, I always assumed that there was an added danger here and unloading by me was done with extreme care, outside a house or car, with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

3. It's a totally random crap shoot from now to eterinty with this particular rifle ?

No, it is not a crap shoot. The CNBC reporting seems to imply that the problem can be a result of many factors including, improper trigger adjustment, dirt, oil build-up, mis-alignment of parts, bad manufacturing tolerances, improper modifications, bad cleaning, etc.

I would not adjust the trigger for a "light" pull if I owned one today, but I am not a gun smith who would know more about the possible causes..... Obviously, if reports have been made that the gun can go bang when the safty is clicked to "off" you should always make sure the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction when this is done.
 
Tirod,
I will definitely give ypu credit for the importance of inspecting, cleaning, and over-all attention to a newly bought fire arm BEFORE using it, but please do not display stubborn rejection of facts for the sake of pride for a brand. The evidence is overwhelming and experience from capable and careful individuals points to Remingtons error. I do not own a Remington, but I have friends and family who do.
 
A good retort;

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs...remington-model-700-trigger?cmpid=enews102210

He hit on something I really wondered about - the police rifle that went off when touched. I've seen one just like that - it was one someone did a home trigger job on and botched. I wonder if the police armorer had done work on it and botched it up. I've seen some bad work done in armories. . . . Of course the question was never asked if it was factory stock.
 
How about the 40-X externally adjustable trigge? Is it safer?
Recent rifles like XCR compact tactical should have been improved, one would think.
TIA
 
Oh heavens no, you know a police armorer would 'never' adjust a trigger.....

I'll bet you a stray cat that that was exactly what was going on there!
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My thoughts exactly..In fact I wonder if the rifle wasn't set up that way for the program. It wouldn't surprise me.

I can tune an original style M-70 trigger to go off with the slightest bump as well, simply back the spring off until it doesn't have sufficient pressure. But I've never seen an unaltered M-70 do that, I have seen a factory new M-700 fire on safety release.
 
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If you won't own a Remington what do you own out of curiousity?
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Joed,

If you are asking me this question it would help to include my handle in your post because that OP was like 8 pages ago I barely recognized it.:)

Lets get something straight right here and right now I never said I won't own a Remington I specifically said a M-700. I do own one Remington it's an 870 and I love it I've had it for over 20 years. It's never failed me.

As far as CF rifles go, well the list is long because I am gun whore.;)

I own several Winchester M-70's and a M-94 (Built in 1902) I don't currently have any collectible pre-64's but do from time to time pick them up and usually trade them off at some point as somebody always wants them more than I can afford to keep them.

I've got a Ruger M-77 in a .358 that shoots lights out and functions nicely after some tweaking. Actually lots of tweaking but it's a stainless gun that I put ghost rings on and use it when guiding hog hunters and don't care about beating it up.

And some other odd brands to include at the moment;

Styer
Bushmaster
Marlin
Dakota
Kimber
Searcy
Webley & Scott

I am always wheeling and dealing on something or another.

Other brands I've seen AD both on bolt closure were a M-77 and a Mark-V Weatherby. I am hearing some very bad rumblings about the Blaser R-93 firing when decocked but I don't have any first hand experience with the Blaser doing this.
 
This issue reminds me of the "unintended acceleration" that plagued Audi in the '80s and Toyota recently. With that issue it was always operator mistakes 100 % of the time. These threads are jokes. All mechanical creations can fail but 99.9 % of these reported problems have at their root, ignorant human actions which will always undo the best efforts of a manufacturer to make a safe product. There are those that are jealous of the inherit accuracy and strength of the 700 style action so I guess the nitpicking is earned.
 
"These threads are jokes."

On one of the news sites right now - I think msnbc...is a recall on baby cribs.

The manufacturers have recalled over 40,000 cribs for 6 injuries. In all over 9 million have been recalled the last 5 years. It's in the middle of the page at this link...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39802998

The scenario is similar to the remington scenario. A piece of the crib can malfunction if dirty or do to design flaw.

Recently Colt recalled their 1911 ww1 models to replace some safety feature. I did it on one of my pistols - no muss no fuss - one week turnaround - the pistol looked the same to me with a couple of stamp marks on it and an update in their computer data base indicating repairs were done.

These are the actions of a responsible company.

To me, and it's only my opinion, remington has chosen the unethical way of dealing with their issues. The seem to either a) let the end consumer tinker with their product and try to make them function or b) let injury result and deal with it with wordsmithing and denial and susequent legal action.

Remington would probably have more credibility if they would put something out that said something like, some people are worried about our trigger systems - enclosed is a voucher for a trigger swap that can be used by authorized dealers to 1) make the trigger much harder to pull but safer for free, or 2) for a 50 dollar or whatever fee we could replace the trigger and or safety with a ____ trigger and 3 position safety.

Option 2 could be enough to generate a small profit for the company on each recall and they could possibly even turn a profit on replacing their design flaw.
 
Remington would probably have more credibility if they would put something out that said something like, some people are worried about our trigger systems - enclosed is a voucher for a trigger swap that can be used by authorized dealers to 1) make the trigger much harder to pull but safer for free, or 2) for a 50 dollar or whatever fee we could replace the trigger and or safety with a ____ trigger and 3 position safety.

Option 2 could be enough to generate a small profit for the company on each recall and they could possibly even turn a profit on replacing their design flaw.
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That is an excellent idea, and I hope someone from Remington is reading this.
 
That is an excellent idea, and I hope someone from Remington is reading this.
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+1, and not just one of the "digital" or "web-work" folks; however I believe it will require permanently affixing (by epoxy, screws, or replacement) the connector to the trigger for a guaranteed fix (not just changing the pull weight).

:)
 
There are those that are jealous of the inherit accuracy and strength of the 700 style action so I guess the nitpicking is earned.
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I don't care who you are, that right there is funny!
 
Seems to me that the media is head hunting. I think a different news media company should investigate MSNBC and show the statistics on these shows in a non skewed manner. Any statistic can be skewed to prove a persons point.

The fact that they say so many people have been killed by this malfunction and the fact that they bring to the front of the story a 9 year old to get the attention is pathetic.

Well MSNBC will be over it once they get their ratings on to the next company to try to ruin. Don't think for a second that the show gives 2 cents about anything other than ratings.
 
It doesn't, however, fix the bolt hold-down problem. I prefer a 3-position safety, and there's no reason why Remington can't design one for the M700. In fact, there are after-market 3-position safties for the M700.
 
that's a standard remington 700 safety.
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From the photo of the parts included it certainly appears to be (though I haven't installed one so I can't be sure). It could very well be a kit to add a safety to one of their aftermarket trigger offerings that hasn't provisions for a safety. You need to affix or remove the connector (adding a new trigger) to fix the safety problem, in other words the safety itself isn't the root of the problem.

:)
 
From the photo of the parts included it certainly appears to be (though I haven't installed one so I can't be sure). It could very well be a kit to add a safety to one of their aftermarket trigger offerings that hasn't provisions for a safety. You need to affix or remove the connector (adding a new trigger) to fix the safety problem, in other words the safety itself isn't the root of the problem.
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I think you're right. The safety lever from the X-Mark pro trigger will not fit the Rifle Basix replacement Model 700 trigger. This kit provides the lever for people with the newer trigger design.
 
Glad I found this thread. I was in one of my local funshops today and overheard a customer and store owner talking about the bad tv press on 700's. They were botth laughing about it as the guy was buying a 308 700. I wondered what it was about now I know.
 
In the early 70's--while returning to camp--I pushed off the safety on my 700.
The gun fired---scared the hell out of me.
I never contacted Rem.
I sold the gun to a gunsmith--he knew it had a problem.
I loved that gun until I found how dangerous it was.
Too old to deer hunt so I don't need another Rem.///////////////////
 
My two questions are these:

After CNBC's exhaustive 8 month investigation, after visiting "store after store" and handling 700s, after buying a 700 why couldn't they reproduce any of the alleged malfunctions? You've got to believe they tried, what other reason could there be for the purchase?

Second, if their concern level for consumers were really so high, why not a specific set of instructions on fixing the problem or a link to replacement triggers that are safe? I know they have internet access, those 8 months of ground pounding netted them two YouTube videos after all.

Anyway, thought all would like to know Remington posted a response on their web page giving a count by count explaination of the CNBC report.
 
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