M&P SPORT anygood
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That depends. This is a subjective question that will vary between people and intended uses/expectations.
For some people and some expectations it will be considered the best values.
For others, not so much.
It's up to you the consumer to educate yourself and make an informed decision.
C-grunt
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Depends on your use for the rifle.
I'm really considering one for a coyote gun. However I wouldn't buy one for a duty gun. Not that it's a bad rifle at all but I dont like cut corners one something I use for serious social situations.
subdude
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Looking for a deal? Got an email from Grab a gun today for the M&P sport for $579.
I bought one before the panic really hit, just to have one. Then I shot it. Liked it enough to scope it, and shot it some more. REALLY like it now. Shooting nothing but whatever factory ammo I've been able to find, I have yet to have any issues. It just shoots great, and it very accurate - under 1.5" with everything I've tried, under 3/4" with some. Light, quick, cheap, and reliable. If it got stolen, I'd buy another.
henschman
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They got rid of the two features that made the old Sports such a good bargain -- the melonite treating and the 1/8 twist. I wouldn't get one when you could put together a PSA for barely more.
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The barrels are still melonite treated, just don't have the 5R rifling or 1/8 twist anymore. Still a good value.
wally
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S&W sets the standard for customer support in my actual experience. IMHO if what they offer has the features you want, you can't go wrong.
Good lord, I'm referring to the local "builder" who was scolding the Wal-Mart sporting goods counter, for screwing up his high $$ crap-AR build market, with excellent prices on the S&Ws/Wyndhams/DPMSs.
(Hence, all the other folks who need to take a dump on the M&P 15s.)
Buy the M&P, shoot the barrel out of it, then get a new barrel...that's one beauty of the AR platforms...
I love my M&P Sport. Zero malfunctions with Wolf Gold, Federal XM193, and some Israeli ammo. It will shoot 1.5 MOA prone with a loop sling, and it is very lightweight and simple. I think it is easily the best buy on the AR market and blows similarly priced ARs out of the water.
chris in va
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What corners were cut? All S&W did was make it more efficient. Instead of a replaceable trigger guard, they made it glove friendly. The forward assist isn't needed, debatable the port cover. Likewise the barrel cuts...who is going to put on a grenade launcher?
The melonite treatment is basically the same as Tennifer on Glocks. Mine has 1/8" gain twist rifling. Trigger is creep-free and crisp.
Sure you could add a hand guard or pistol grip of your flavor.
How do you know this?
I got a DPMS 308 and it is the most accurate AR I ever fired including the AR 15's. I got flagged for being critical of an arsenal rifle I guess DPMS is fair game.
chris in va
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Well what do you know...1/9" now. Hmm.
Is the bolt shot peened HPT MPI C158? The barrel is a cost cutting non 5R 1:9 seemingly non melonite now. The RE is most surely not 7075. The buffer weight is not H. There is no dust cover. There is no forward assist. And there's probably more.
What do all of those things have in common? They save money.
It is up to each individual consumer to do their due diligence/research, figure out what those specifications really mean/are/do, and determine whether or not they want them.
But either way, S&W, I guarantee, made those changes to cut costs, which may be thought of as cutting corners when the final product is no longer of the same quality
At that price, they are a very good value and will suit you well for anything but rigorous torture testing. Heck, they might even do well there. 1 in 9 will generally stabilize up to 69 Gr bullets. That covers every bullet weight many will shoot.
Is it top tier? No. Is that the question? No. Is it a good gun and a good value? Yes.
At that price, they are a very good value and will suit you well for anything but rigorous torture testing. Heck, they might even do well there. 1 in 9 will generally stabilize up to 69 Gr bullets. That covers every bullet weight many will shoot.
Is it top tier? No. Is that the question? No. Is it a good gun and a good value? Yes.
Agreed. It will probably shoot just as well as a 6920...
justice06rr
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Warp said:
For a casual shooter or beginner, the change is not significant and will not see any noticeable accuracy difference between the older 1:8 5R and newer 1:9 non-5R barrels.
I don't think I've ever read any bad reviews on the Sport. They are awesome AR's for the price. The older 5R barrels are nice, but not a must to have. Many other higher-end AR's don't have 5R barrels and can be just as accurate or more.
The higher-end AR's that don't have 5R barrels don't have 1:9 twist rates.
The "will not see any noticeable accuracy difference" depends on the rounds/projectiles they shoot.
1:9 twist rates are not what you want for anything over ~69gr (typical construction)
And 90% (probably higher) of AR owners won't shoot anything heavier than 69 grains.
Bottom line for me on the Sport is:
Accurate
Reliable
Cost effective
Do I like my Colt, YHM, DD or RRA better? Sure. But they are much more expensive and the only one more accurate than my Sport is the RRA.
What I'm saying is that if you use the most commonly available premium/more accurate ammunition, the Sport will be less accurate because the barrel isn't fast enough to optimally stabilize the round. This is an important point that should be taken into consideration by any potential buyer.
What? Every Sport I have seen shoots premium 55-69 grain ammo just fine. The ratio has nothing to do with 'premium" ammo. Weight to twist ratio, yes. 1:9 is 1:9...
Two barrels of the same quality of build with one being a 1:9 and the other being 1:7... just because one has a higher twist rate doesn't mean it is going to be more accurate or that it is better. Especially across all common bullet weights. The twist doesn't make it a better barrel...just generally better across different bullet weights.
...so TSX bullets? 75gr? 77gr?
The rounds generally considered the "best" by the most people are all too long to be recommended for 1:9 barrels. Hornady TAP (75gr), mk262 (77gr) or anything else quality with 77gr SMK (77gr), and Barnes TSX (all copper, bullets are longer even though they aren't as heavy)
"All common bullet weights" = 55gr-77gr. Unfortunately 1:9 doesn't cover that. 1:8 and 1:7 do
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