Made Common Citizens Think

[Jdude]

This was the most widely watched and read case in decades.
I have no doubts that many groups would immediately move to violence, insurrection and secession, up as high as the state level.

My personal plans in the event of loss were to visit the local state house and vocally express my opinion. I planned to have left immediately after the decision was released.

I am much happier with the results we did get.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

This tends to stun the listener.

Perhaps they weren't prepared to be hit with blatant and stupid hyperbole. Nothing sells the RKBA quite like the threat that we're going to start shooting the second something doesn't go our way.

 

[Tyris]

No way.

This is internet-commando bravery taken to its most extreme.

When CA passed all of its anti-gun laws, nothing happened.
When the AWB was passed, nothing happened.
When CA, NJ, MA, NY, etc rolls out another anti-gun bill we roll our eyes.
When President Barak Obama tries to push anti-gun legislation, nothing will happen.

People quiver in fear of having too many "foreign parts" in their rifles, even though I cant find a single case of someone being busted for a 922(r) violation. (how do they check anways? I've never seen BATFE doing parts count inspections at the local ranges..)

People are too busy paying their mortgage, and worrying about the 30% interest on their 5-digit credit card debt. They're too busy watching "america's favorite past time" on tee-vee, never mind actually playing it. They steadily ignore the 50% decline of the US dollar in recent years and the 9 trillion dollar debt along with the 200B per year we funnel into Iraq. As long as the bread and circuses continue, the status quo shall be maintained.

-T

 

[MJRW]

JohnBlaze is correct.

 

[JohnBlaze]

he already did, read the thread.

 

[Nitrogen]

So you're above common citizens? What are you, a Duke? A Knight? Some other type of nobleman?

No, you're just a common citizen, too.

 

[TexasSkyhawk]

This is internet-commando bravery taken to its most extreme.

When CA passed all of its anti-gun laws, nothing happened.
When the AWB was passed, nothing happened.
When CA, NJ, MA, NY, etc rolls out another anti-gun bill we roll our eyes.

That's why a lot of us have already written off those areas and populations. Gun control isn't the only problem they have.

Down here in Texas, we have the Minuteman Project. When it became clear that the gov't wasn't going to do a damn thing about the illegals INVADING our country, we took matters into our own hands.

We have more and more suburbs and townships passing ordinances and laws that are anti-illegal alien. ACLU and other pro-criminal organizations file injunctions with pro-criminal judges, and the cities comply.

But the landlords aren't. Nor are the employers. Both are demanding tougher proof of legal residency before they rent or hire.

I've fired two landscape maintenance crews at my house in just the last year. I make it clear that I expect legal residents to work on my property--not illegal. I even added a clause to my "contract" to state both this and that if I catch illegals working on my property, the contract is null.

This has caught on and our entire little housing development area has followed suit. Not one illegal is working in our neighborhood as a domestic.

Maybe not much, but it's a start.

My stance on guns is even more hard-line. So please, do not lump me and others in with the likes of CA or MA or NY.

Jeff

 

[jaak]

lol at 922r. i dont lose an ounce of sleep over 922r. all i will say is this. as a free man, i have a CHOICE. thats all i have to say.

 

[Samuel Adams]

No way.

This is internet-commando bravery taken to its most extreme.

When CA passed all of its anti-gun laws, nothing happened.
When the AWB was passed, nothing happened.
When CA, NJ, MA, NY, etc rolls out another anti-gun bill we roll our eyes.
When President Barak Obama tries to push anti-gun legislation, nothing will happen.

People quiver in fear of having too many "foreign parts" in their rifles, even though I cant find a single case of someone being busted for a 922(r) violation. (how do they check anways? I've never seen BATFE doing parts count inspections at the local ranges..)

People are too busy paying their mortgage, and worrying about the 30% interest on their 5-digit credit card debt. They're too busy watching "america's favorite past time" on tee-vee, never mind actually playing it. They steadily ignore the 50% decline of the US dollar in recent years and the 9 trillion dollar debt along with the 200B per year we funnel into Iraq. As long as the bread and circuses continue, the status quo shall be maintained.

-T

+1

 

[loneviking]

I think that the long fuse has been lit and quite a few Americans are more awake than some give credit for. The Minutemen movement and the militia movement are but two examples that refute the idea of American complacency. Heller itself refutes the idea of American complacency in the face of actions by 'big brother'.

CNN this weekend had a piece by former President Clinton on 'Are we becoming more polarized?'--the answer to which is 'absolutely yes!'. The red states vs. the blue states, and those who believe strongly in what the constitution says and those who want to 're-interpret' it. The biggest piece of evidence to me of a lit fuse are the conflicts between Mr. Nutter and his police chief vs. the NRA/State of Penn.; or the head of the Atlanta airport that wants to create a 'gun free zone' and the legislator challenging the zone as unlawful--to name just two examples.

On the one hand, you have elected officials who refuse to honor the oath of office that they took and instead take actions that are against the laws of their state. On the other hand, you have increasingly vocal, active and well financed individuals in the gun organizations who are exposing these traitors (and that's what they are). These 2nd Amendment issues are the rallying point for both sides, and the outcome directly affects how the Bill of Rights is read and used.

In our first civil war of 1861, states rights and slavery was the polarizing issue with the 'northern' states and the 'southern' states. Today, it is 2nd Amendment rights and individual freedoms, with 'Red' states and 'Blue' states. Then, as now, the issues are being initially fought over in the legislatures and courthouses. That didn't solve the problem in 1861, and I have my doubts that it will do so today with the blatant, unlawful actions of folks like Mayor Nutter and others.

 

[jrfoxx]

People quiver in fear of having too many "foreign parts" in their rifles, even though I cant find a single case of someone being busted for a 922(r) violation. (how do they check anways? I've never seen BATFE doing parts count inspections at the local ranges..)

People are too busy paying their mortgage, and worrying about the 30% interest on their 5-digit credit card debt. They're too busy watching "america's favorite past time" on tee-vee, never mind actually playing it. They steadily ignore the 50% decline of the US dollar in recent years and the 9 trillion dollar debt along with the 200B per year we funnel into Iraq. As long as the bread and circuses continue, the status quo shall be maintained.

You may be right in that this is true about 95% of the population, but, as Texasskyhawk mentions, there ARE a fair number of people, many of whom are armed, organized, and motivated, to whom it DOESNT apply, and whose to say if all those groups the feds were worried about with a "bad" Heller ruling started shooting, it wouldnt spread fairly quickly to others? I'm inclined to thing that if 1 or 2 "millitias" and 20+ states decided to start shooting, it would snowball pretty quickly, and things would get pretty serious, fairly quick, with people having to choose a side. Now, I'll agree that most of that original 95% would stay on the governments side (or be neutral), many people WOULD join the millitias and would now be inclined to act as part of the group, when they wouldnt have as an individual.

So, now theres a lot of millita people shooting it out with the government, so likely NG and regular troops get called in to help. How many would be inclined to fire on American's, on american soil? Some would, some wouldnt. Some of those who wouldnt would just do nothing, others may not take kindly to seeing fellow soldiers firing on Americans, and may fire on THOSE soldiers to stop it. Not the shooting has spread to cause a split in the military, even if a relatively small one. So now its not just a bunch of "wanna-be's" vs cops and soldiers, now there are some well trained, heavily armed soldier involved in the fighting aginst the government, and it just sreads, and spreads, and spreads......

Certainly a possibility. It doesnt have to start with a mass uprising of gun owners. It could start with just a few hundred or so "extremeist" millitia goups, and spiral out from their.

 

[Ltlabner]

Every "special interest" group seems to want to lay claim to the start of the next American Civil War. I'd be willing to bet money that right now on a forum about abortion, or religion or extreme environmental views there are people posting about how the fuse has been lit for revolution because XYZ didn't go the way they wanted.

Tyris is dead on. Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of laws have been passed across the country abridging a right that is clearly spelled out in the 2ndA. What's happened? Nothing.

Heck, National Guard troops opened fire on US citizens at Kent State....nothing happened. Nothing spiarled out of control. And that was at a time when the US population had been a bubbling caldron of civil unrest.

Most people don't care much about guns. Most people's knowledge of firearms extends to the shotgun their Grandpappy let them hold back in 1954. We are passionate because they are our interest.

As Tyris pointed out, most people are worried about their interests, their pet projects and their problems.

All this talk of "armed rebellion" is just that. Internet bravado.

I'd rather put my energy into helping people understand the Constitution rather than make them think I'm a raving lunatic frothing at the mouth to pick up arms and re-enact Red Dawn.

 

[CYANIDEGENOCIDE]

don't let the common people see this!! ELECTRIC movable type, we landed gentry type could be in a lot of trouble!!

 

[Phil DeGraves]

I very well think that it might have caused an armed rebellion. It could eventually lead to the confiscation of all firearms.

Well, certainly the armed rebellion would result in the confiscation of all firearms...

This was the most widely watched and read case in decades.

And yet, most everybody I know had no idea what it was and cared less.

i would not rule out the possibility that an armed rebellion COULD have happened.

But it wouldn't be organized and anyone rebelling would be characterized as a right wing wacko...See the above...