Made in America question Gun Safes/RSC's

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I was curious to find out about different companies that advertise that they are made in made in America, I wanted to know where they got their steel. Below is exactly the replies I got and from whom:

Visalia Safe Company "We are proud to tell you that our safes are manufactured in Exeter,Ca., and our steel is purchased from a company, also in Ca., who tells us that their steel is purchased in this country. "

Liberty Safe Company "We only buy steel from USA Companies."

Summit Safe Company "Thank you for your question. Most of the steel we use is made in the USA. Once in awhile we use steel made in Canada. Technically this is American made steel. (Canada and Mexico are part of the American continent). Usually when people ask this question they want to know if it is made in the United States. You only ask about the steel however, in the interest of being honest some of the parts we use are imported. For example the S & G locks we use are imported. I don't know of anyone that is making their locks in the USA anymore. Some of our plated parts are also imported. Our Summit Denali is made in a plant in Utah. Our Summit Rainier and Teton models are made in a Mexico plant. Again these are made in America but not the United States. The steel we use in the Mexico plant is made in the USA or a little of it comes from Canada."

Homeland Safe Company "Anyone who is telling you they use "American steel" is lying to you. There is no such thing as American steel. The US has not produced steel for over 30 years. The company you are talking about most likely gets their safes from China. Our steel is from Canada and Germany. They make the best steel."

Brown Safe Company "All of our safes are manufactured here at our facility in San Diego, our steel is sourced from U.S. suppliers with origins domestically and internationally. "

AMSEC "Since steel is a commodity, it is purchased on the open market like most other commodities. All of our steel suppliers are US based distributors,
so almost all of their steel comes from domestic suppliers. However,
since we purchase millions of pounds of steel per year, there is still a
possibility that one of our steel suppliers might use a load of steel from
a foreign source on a rare occasion. "

Sportsman Steel Safe Company "In regards to your question that I received via email. Yes the safes we make here in Long Beach CA. are made with US Steel."

Graffunder - "We purchase steel from American companies & distributors. They tell us it's
made in the USA. Hopefully they're truthful. If you have questions regarding our security products - please contact us, "

My intention was to draw attention to the fact that some companies although they say they are made in america, they may not be entirely and that just by saying made in america can mean anywhere on the continent as one company so deftly pointed out. I hope this stirs some educated discussion.
 
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"Summit Safe Company "Thank you for your question. Most of the steel we use is made in the USA. Once in awhile we use steel made in Canada. Technically this is American made steel. (Canada and Mexico are part of the American continent). Usually when people ask this question they want to know if it is made in the United States. You only ask about the steel however, in the interest of being honest some of the parts we use are imported. For example the S & G locks we use are imported. I don't know of anyone that is making their locks in the USA anymore. Some of our plated parts are also imported. Our Summit Denali is made in a plant in Utah. Our Summit Rainier and Teton models are made in a Mexico plant. Again these are made in America but not the United States. The steel we use in the Mexico plant is made in the USA or a little of it comes from Canada.""



It's amazing that this person believes that Made in America is the same as made in "North America" and not the United States. A very sad day for our economy and the future of our country in my opinion.
 
"We buy our steel from a US based company" is NOT the same as US made steel. It most likely just means that the importer is based in the US.
 
Update: The guy from Summit has after much back and forth messages, has stated that he has contacted his web designer and will change their website to reflect the current situation of where their safes/RSC's are made. Also he will get on board with the buy from things made in the United States.
 
I know that Sturdy Gun Safes are made in the USA and I would guess their steel comes from the US, but I do not know this for sure. Something to look into, as that is the gun safe that I want to get. Well unless I'm wrong about where they buy their steel from that is... Thank you for the list though!
 
If the steel meets the required specs, what difference does it matter? Most of the steel companies in the US are NOT US owned, but owned by Indian steel giants......
 
I am in Steel based manufacturing.... and I can tell you supply and demand of steel in the world dictates that the US Steel company you get US steel plate from this week could come from India, China, Brazil....next week!

Steel is in High Demand all over the world. Made in USA could be true, but the steel could be from anywhere, and I am usually ok with that. We have got steel from one supplier and sent it back.

It was round stock (well supposed to be) and it looked like a stop sign kinda with more sides...but we could not use it at all! It had Chinese writing painted on end. It was purchased from US Steel supplier!

I like Liberty Safes....
I like Winchester Safes....(but with mechanical lock)(Tractor Supply) but The price tells me they are not made in US? While not real cheap, they are a good deal.. Could not find answer on US Made or not?
The Canon from TS...looks good but cheaper made than the Winchester?
 
I like Winchester Safes....(but with mechanical lock)(Tractor Supply) but The price tells me they are not made in US? While not real cheap, they are a good deal.. Could not find answer on US Made or not?
The Canon from TS...looks good but cheaper made than the Winchester?

On the inside, typically on the edge of the door, should be a label with any UL data and country of origin
 
I did not include Sturdy Safe Company in my emails because they advertise right on the front page of their web site "Made in America by American Men, With American Supplies. Also on the front page it stated "100% made in the USA Support companies who fully assemble their safes in the USA, and import nothing"
 
I did not include Sturdy Safe Company in my emails because they advertise right on the front page of their web site "Made in America by American Men, With American Supplies. Also on the front page it stated "100% made in the USA Support companies who fully assemble their safes in the USA, and import nothing"

But that is not a 100% accurate statement. Patriot claims their Chinese imports are made in the US too. Just because a claim is made, doesn't mean that it's true. Some of the replies to your original inquiry touch on why this is the case.

I don't think you'll find a safe that is 100% US sourced, and that includes Sturdy.
 
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The label inside my Fort Knox says "Made in America." Of course, it does hold guns made int eh Czech Republic, Turkey and the US, as well.
 
The regulations for "Made in America" or "Made in the USA" are complex and confusing, it takes 40 pages to define these two. I agree there is no gun safe or rsc that is 100% made in America. Some parts are imported, the same as American cars, many parts come from all over the world, The purpose if my inquiry was to make consumers aware that even though it may say made in America it could be just assembled here or in some cases that I and others have heard about that some are just painted here and the locks installed and they call it made in America. Again I hope this stirs some educated discussion.
 
"Patriot claims their Chinese imports are made in the US too. Just because a claim is made, doesn't mean that it's true. Some of the replies to your original inquiry touch on why this is the case."


I sent a request to Patriot Safe Company but did not receive a reply.
 
I sent a request to Patriot Safe Company but did not receive a reply.

If they do reply, they will tell you that they are US made in a top secret US facility. It is so secret, they can't tell you its location.

I can tell you that Patriot is owned by Merlo which is a large Asian safe importer. I can also show you side by side photos of known Chinese safes and theirs that show identical components.

However, people buy them because they are "Made in America", and don't want to buy any of that "Chinese Junk". At the end of the day, I don't think where a safe is made is important. A safe should be judged on its construction, which would then be matched to the needs of the consumers. If you're shopping based on US made only, you may find that you've been screwed in one way or another.
 
If the steel meets the required specs, what difference does it matter?

It's not about quaility in this instance. It's about supporting our nation's floundering manufacturing sector and our economy.
 
a1abdj I for one would be interested to see the photos of the side by side comparison of the safe made in China and the one that is supposed to be made in America
 
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If the steel meets the required specs, what difference does it matter?
It's not about quaility in this instance. It's about supporting our nation's floundering manufacturing sector and our economy.

It's called competition - if that industry is floundering, then it needs to evaluate why that is happening and address those issues. just as in another thread, just because something has an old-time US name on it doesn't mean it is now made here - all one has to do is look at products from LL Bean, Woolrich, Danner, Rocky, etc. - all old time US makers of fine goods who now import most, of not all, of their stuff from China and Asia..If you are buying based on name alone, you might not be getting what you think you are paying for
 
On the other hand Oneounce how in God's name can an American factory worker or other westrn nation compete against a sea of cooley labor in China that has few if any workers rights,unions,OSHA,etc.
No chance at all because the field is hardly level.
 
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