Magazine Capacity Laws

[Onward Allusion]

How to eat an elephant

If you think that a proponent of a 10-round magazine limit really believes that to be the solution to gun crimes, you are kidding yourself. The hope of the proponents of these schemes is that they can ultimately be successful incrementally limiting what others are permitted to own or carry until the right to keep and bear arms is reduced to total insignificance.

One bite at a time...

This is the strategy of Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and their brethren. They may not currently want your 15 or even 10 round magazine, but they will come for your guns and their accessories one day if you give in now and accept their bent logic. Maybe it won't happen to you specifically but perhaps it may happen to your children or grand children.

This isn't paranoia. History has proven time and time again. Case in point, UK, Australia, and Canada (though their peeps are coming to their senses) just to name a few English speaking countries.

 

[Justin]

Either way we don't know. Plenty of guns, including Glocks, require at least a couple of hundred rounds of breakin before they run smoothly.

 

[armoredman]

armoredman,
I agree its the CRIMINAL that operates the gun, knife, car, hammer, pogo-stik, ect and does horrible things.

However, I seriously question the notion that around 1100-1200 AD, someone said 'I want to build something that sends something down a tube really fast...for no reason.... just because I can...'.

Quick question, would Og the Caveman been happier with an AK or an AR? Just kidding.

Nope, he made it for a reason, like all weapons, even though bows and arrows were used for hunting, and still are, etc. Like the fireworks you see on Independance Day? Originally weapons of war developed by the Chinese. Ban them, for the children. Nobody needs to have weapons of war exploding over their heads during a party, ban them. For the children.

Constitution Cowboy, those are old posters, too, only have two of those guns anymore.

Balrog, I KNOW you're joking, had three Glocks fail on me, two during Department range. All mechanical devices can and will fail over time, no matter who made them, even my beloved CZs. I did hear the murderer failed the first reload, when that brave woman snatched it away, but succeeded with the second, whereupon that magazine failed and jammed the pistol, which gave bystanders time to tackle him. That came from the US Marshals at a press conference, anyone else hear that?

Those of you who are willing to compromise your rights away to appease the enemy, please refer again to the lessons of Neville Chamberlain and the infamous White Paper. Or, as an even older saying goes, if you pay the Danegeld, the Dane will just return again.
So, no, I reject the notion that any proponent of pre crime can pre judge me by my lawful posession and use of greater than 10 round magazines, and I refuse to attempt to appease the wolf by throwing ANY portion of my rights off the sleigh.

Oh, BTW, an aside to the gent who said if we keep open carrying we'll just irritate people until they vote our rights away? AZ must scare people like that to death - we've had open carry since we were a territory, and not only did we keep it all these years, we went to permitless concealed carry as well. That theory fails here, sorry.


'Nuff said.

 

[gc70]

I did hear the murderer failed the first reload, when that brave woman snatched it away, but succeeded with the second, whereupon that magazine failed and jammed the pistol, which gave bystanders time to tackle him.That came from the US Marshals at a press conference, anyone else hear that?

Not exactly.

WSJ article
As two men tackled him, Ms. Maisch saw the gunman reach into his pocket with his left hand and draw out a magazine of bullets. He dropped it, and she heard someone shout to get the magazine. “I was able to grab it before he could,” she said.

 

[armoredman]

Yes, that was the FIRST reload, then there was supposedly a second according to a report from the US Marshals office, but I don't remember hearing that again.That was on CNN, IIRC.
She didn't say what happened after she grabbed the fumbled reload, either, in the story you linked, BUT the Marshals report could have been wrong. Just curious.

 

[danez71]

I suppose you'd have a point, if we all slavishly adhered to a belief that the original intention of the inventor of an item was actually somehow more meaningful than the myriad of uses people have found since that time.

To draw a comparison to vehicles, it would be like claiming that anyone who uses a Jeep for anything other than troop transport is somehow wrong.

By claiming that guns are only or primarily made for killing, you are stupidly dismissing out of hand all of the other equally legitimate reasons people choose to own firearms without so much as a second thought.

By making that claim, you're also implying that the only reason anyone ever buys a firearm is because they intend to kill someone or something with it. The logical conclusion to your statement is that anyone who chooses to buy a gun must therefore be a murderous nut bent on havoc.
Yesterday 08:59 PM

Not to sound rude.... I suppose you'd have a point IF I said any of those things. You can not make a logical conclusion to statements I never made.

I said back on pg 1 that a high cap mag ban wouldnt do anthing.

Seriously, re-read all of my posts in this thread.

Kind of surprised on the low road "stupidly" comment though.

 

[Bob2222]

One aspect that I think the magazine control crowd is missing is that the practical magazine capacity limit is a function of the size of a pistol's handgrip, which is a function of the size of a human hand.

A 9mm handgun can fit 13-17 rounds, a .45 ACP 1911 is limited to 7 or 8 rounds. If a magazine capacity limit is reinstated, buyers are likely to favor larger-caliber, more powerful handguns.

Would the Congresswoman and other victims have fared better if they had been shot with more powerful, larger caliber ammunition? I doubt it.

 

[Husker_Fan]

I've always wondered if the popularity of the 1911 platform wasn't helped by the old ban. I mean, if you were limited to ten rounds, why not a single stack .45?

 

[Travis McGee]

For sure, if a high cap mag ban passes, we'll see lots of ten round .45s.

I think it's nearly certain a mag ban will pass. At least 50 RINOs will vote for it. Even Dick "Shotgun" CHeney has said "we don't need" high cap mags. Stock up now, while you can. And this time, there won't be a sunset provision. THe only questions in my mind are:

Will our currently owned mags be grandfathered?
Will it only be for pistol mags, or all mags?
Will it be a strict ten round limit, or will they perhaps raise the number of legal rounds to 20? A 20 round limit would not affect standard factory Glock 9mm or other double stack mags. It would only outlaw extended mags like those used by Cho and Loughner.

 

[Balrog]

I think Travis is correct. I find it a little odd that most of the threads about possible magazine bans have been closed.

 

[gc70]

I find it a little odd that most of the threads about possible magazine bans have been closed.

Instead of discussing legal ramifications of a ban (this is the Legal Forum), a lot of these threads devolve to diatribes against politicians, political parties, or political philosophies.

For sure, if a high cap mag ban passes, we'll see lots of ten round .45s.

That is a very reasonable assumption.

From the '70s through the start of the AWB, there was a shift from single-stack to double-stack pistols, generally in full-size guns in major calibers. Pocket pistols generally remained in traditional minor calibers. During the AWB, there was a huge increase in smaller pistols chambered in larger calibers to make the most use of the limited number of rounds available. While it was certainly not the intention of the AWB's authors, the AWB probably contributed greatly to the development of more potent and concealable handguns.

 

[Dominus]

How would Mcdonald and Heller affect a magazine limit law?

I'm hoping those cases will help states like NY and CA join the rest of the nation and remove the draconian AWB's at state level.

 

[kingpin008]

I think Travis is correct. I find it a little odd that most of the threads about possible magazine bans have been closed.

Most of the threads about possible magazine bans haven't had enough information to sustain a logical discussion, so they've been locked until more info is available. Seems pretty reasonable.

 

[Art Eatman]

Until there is a House bill and a companion Senate bill, there is little to discuss. When bills are introduced, we can discuss them--and also get an Activism thread going to get our opinions known to our Congresscritters.

Really, you could start right now, writing a one-page polite and courteous letter to explain your opposition to any upcoming anti-gun legislation. Snail mail carries more weight that other communication. The perception is that it's more thought-out and of more importance to the writer than the usual quickie "I'm mad!" email.