Magnum Small Pistol Primers

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I went through the archives regarding using magnum small pistol primers and the consensus appeared to be they can be used instead of the regular primers as long as the powder charge is in the low to medium range, where I normally load anyway.

My additional concern is that many of my revolvers are older Colts and S&Ws...from the 1920s and newer. Would there be a concern on that point?

This issue came to light when I "discovered" a brick of magnums while bumbling around in my reloading area and my supply of regular primers is nil.
 
My additional concern is that many of my revolvers are older Colts and S&Ws...from the 1920s and newer. Would there be a concern on that point?
What concern would you think might be caused by using magnum primers with older revolvers?

The only issue that I've had in the past has been using magnum SPP in my tuned revolvers and having them not ignite. I called Federal and they claimed that there was no difference in the sensitivity between the two types of primers
 
I was going to start a new post, but found this one so I figured I would ask here. I happened to over hear to old timers at the range talking about just buying some small pistol primers at some small gun shop in SC. Luckily they mentioned the highway it was on and after doing some internet searching I located the place I thought they were talking about. Since I haven't been able to find primers anywhere since May I jumped in my car and drove the 2- hours to get there. I walk in the store and couldn't find any of the SP primers so I asked the guy at the counter if he had any hidden away and to my surprise (and disappointment) he tells me that two old guys cam in this morning and bought him out of them. Unfortunately the old timers I overheard didn't mention that fact! lol He then goes on to tell me that he has some SP magnum primers, but warns me that they can not be used in 9mm loads. Since I wasn't certain either way and the fact that he had 3- boxes of 1,000 Federal premium SP magnum primers within my grasp I bought them. My thought was that if I couldn't use them for my 9's then I would just have to buy a 357 since I have been picking up a lot of 38 and 357 brass over the past year. Luckily I read this post and see that a couple people here say that it's okay to use them in a non magnum pistol cartridge. Since I always load at the lower end of the charts anyway it sounds like I should be good to go in using them for my 9mm reloads. Have any of you ever had an issue using the SP magnum primers in non magnum 9mm reloads? Thanks in advance and stay safe everyone.
 
I've been using up the last of my CCI magnum small pistol primers in my S&W m2.0 and the 9mm conversion cylinder for my blackhawk. Ive not seen issues but then I just plink. Go ahead and buy that 357, you know you should
 
They'll work fine in 9mm just be aware they can increase pressure and add 10-15 FPS but in practice I've found no real difference between SPP and SPMP. I prefer to use the "appropriate" primer nevertheless, but I'd still get some ammo loaded with SRMP if that's all I had.
 
No problem. I work up with mag primers for every load and when I'm short on them I'll use a standard. I've used small rifle primers for h110 loads in 357 when I'm out if mag pistol primers too, no problem. I've considered only using rifle primers because it would simplify life but I'm not there yet. Headed there though because I haven't had any luck getting small mag pistol primers for a few months and I'm down to 300... Doesn't seem to be an issue.
 
I used a few thousand mag pistol primers in 9mm during Obamascare I and II when nothing else was available. No issues. I don’t load max and could discern no difference. I don’t have a chronograph though.
 
I read a test a member of another forum did with regular and magnum pistol primers. I can't find it right now, but I'll post it when I do. He compared Remington, Winchester, CCI and Federal SPP in standard and magnum. No pressure testing, just velocity. The posted results were for 38 special, but IIRC he had done almost as thorough of a test with 9mm as well. He did light target loads as well as loads that bordered on max. It was interesting. There was very little difference was the main result. One thing that did stand out to me was CCI Magnum performed almost identical to Federal Standard in each test he did. This was noticeable mainly because I only use Federal primers since some of my revolvers have very light actions and will not fire with CCI. Since the last shortage, I have used Federal Magnum in SPP and LPP exclusively since that was all I could find at the time. I did my own testing that was not nearly as thorough as the one I read, but what I found is with very light loads with Bullseye in 38 special, there is very little difference in velocity. There was more variance from gun to gun with equal loads than there was was by changing primers. Accuracy was equal as well. I also did a little test comparing magnum SPP to standard small rifle. I did notice a slight increase in velocity. Not a lot, but enough to notice, but even with close to max loads, the rifle primers never showed any sign of high pressure. I saw no sense in pushing the envelope with hot loads, because all I was concerned about was the load I would be shooting day to day. I know its not recommended, but I'll continue to use Magnum primers in all of my handguns large and small because I have a good inventory. If that runs out, I guess I will use what I can find.
 
Magnum primers may not be "hotter" especially with "faster" powders since the burn rate is already pretty hot!
SPP-Magnum are specifically designed to efficiently ignite "magnum" powders because of the longer spark or brisance!

There have been a number of discussions on several forums that verify that some additional velocity can be expected, some S/D improvement has been noticed with little to no increased pressure signs. Some testing resulted in the opposite results!

My personal 9mm, 135 grain LRNFP testing resulted in an increase of about 25 fps using Winchester Auto Comp making minor power factor. I didn't notice any change in performance or pressure signs!

Years ago I did PPC revolver testing using 148 grain HBWC and 4-5 different primers. I was specifically looking at Federal SPP and Federal Gold Metal Match Primers. The difference didn't start until 25 yards+ and definitely improved at 50 yards. This was in a purpose built PPC revolver for mid range 148 grain HBWC ammo.

Smiles,
 
I've done comparisons of small primers (magnum and non-magnum) in small primer 45acp, and the results will vary depending on the powder. Some powders showed a difference, some showed virtually no difference. If all I had were magnum primers, I would not hesitate using them, but I would back off the charge a little and work back up.
 
Federal premium SP magnum primers.

Have any of you ever had an issue using the SP magnum primers in non magnum 9mm reloads?

I've been using those primers in my 9mm's a lot lately since they were available when others were not. I can't see any difference.

I did run some through the chrono at first and using both CFE Pistol and Titegroup powders the readings were virtually the same whether the primers were magnums or not. I don't even think about it anymore, I freely substitute them.

I don't load anywhere near max charges.
 
. . . the consensus appeared to be they can be used instead of the regular primers as long as the powder charge is in the low to medium range,
The only effect of switching to a Magnum primer is (slightly) higher pressure and more complete/consistent combustion, and that only if the non-magnum primer wasn't already saturating the powder charge.

Step back, work up; in most small pistol cartridges/powders it makes an immeasurably small difference.
 
Thank you everyone for your thoughtful replies. I will take your advice and warnings, but since I hardly ever load close to maximum charges it sounds like the magnum primers will be no problem to use. I hope everyone stays safe and good shooting.
 
I use magnum primers whenever I load with Trail Boss, I've done this from .32 S&W Long in an H&R top break that may or may not be rated for smokeless powder (there is a caliber marking on the left side of the barrel indicating it's smokeless, but the cylinder bolt stops are the old black powder style) to .45 Colt in converted 1858 revolvers and I've had no issues.

I don't use magnum primers in shorter, rimless cases because they're mostly going to be used in an autoloader and I don't feel they need to be used in them, but that doesn't mean they can't be used. If anything, the magnum primer helps reduce or prevent unburnt powder being left in the chamber or bore with powders that have that issue.

For 9mm I doubt that if you used a magnum primer with a max charge that you would create a dangerous situation. It may be like shooting a +P load, so all it would do is increase wear/tear on the pistol, something that isn't the end of the world unless you're shooting it in a fancy 1911 or other expensive gun.
 
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