Man shoots self in leg at gun show
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mes227
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When I accidentally shoot myself I at least have the good sense to make up a better story!
guyfromohio
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The hypocrisy of the American Gunshow. "Buy here and defend yer second amendment rights!" "Buy this here card and give it to those demon business owners who don't let you carry in their store!" Oh, and by the way.... no loaded firearms allowed because you can't be trusted.
Accidents happen. I'm sure he made one or more critical mistakes with his gun-handling, but every time one has to load and unload, it's another opportunity for error. An object at rest tends to stay at rest.
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Accidents happen. I'm sure he made one or more critical mistakes with his gun-handling, but every time one has to load and unload, it's another opportunity for error. An object at rest tends to stay at rest.
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Sam1911
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I've said over and over in various "gun show" and "gun shop" carry threads, holstered guns are SAFE guns. Make folks handle their weapons -- draw, unload, reload, holster -- outside of your shop or gunshow event center (or courthouse, or post office, school, bar/restaurant, etc., etc.) and you are contributing to the creation of a direct danger to the public and to your patrons/customers.
Every moment where someone has to unload and/or reload their firearm out in public -- no safe zones, no clearing barrels, no safe backstop -- is introducing a dangerous failure point where one did not need to exist.
Holster up in the morning & unholster in the evening, and the rest of the time leave it ALONE.
guyfromohio
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Funny stuff right there. Took me a minute for the toilet seat.
blarby
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I agree with 1911.
Any unnecessary handling or operation of firearms is an added risk.
Any unnecessary handling or operation of firearms is an added risk.
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X-Rap
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I carried at a gun show on Sunday didn't say a word and left it under my jacket. I have no problem with Sam's point so long as we can shoot on site those that pull their weapon in a show or shop. That seems the only way to eliminate the hazard to the rest of us.
The rules prohibiting loaded carry at shows and shops didn't come from those who carry like they do every day, they came from those who when surrounded by guns feel compelled to present their weapon to all those who will look as though it is special among all the others.
The rules prohibiting loaded carry at shows and shops didn't come from those who carry like they do every day, they came from those who when surrounded by guns feel compelled to present their weapon to all those who will look as though it is special among all the others.
He loaded the gun, drove to the gun show where he had to unload it before entering, and then re-loaded it when he returned to the car. No chance for a mistake there. In general there is only one way to fire a pistol and that is by pulling the trigger. I know they can go off by dropping and some mysterious means like aliens and such but, generally it requires a trigger pull. I once accidentally discharged my Remington .243 when going to the deer stand. When I loaded the round I pulled the trigger instead of pushing the safety. Please don't ask me how I managed to do that because I cannot to this day figure out why I did it. Fortunately it was pointed away from everything but the pine tree tops but I came damned close to soiling myself.
guyfromohio
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The rules at the local 7-11 were there not for those of us that carry legally, but for those that may try to rob the place. Different?
I agree with your point except for the fact that the gun show is a primary place for someone to be handling a weapon. They just don't stay holstered in a place like that. Everyone is trying on a new holster, seeing if the new mags fit, showing it to a dealer, etc.
The gun show is about the only place that I can think of where I appreciate the fact that they do what they can to make sure that things are safe by having people unload. You might get a few ND's like the one mentioned but you are for sure going to get ND's inside if people are bringing their loaded guns in. I would rather that a person have their ND outside by themselves where it is less crowded.
Of course, one could argue that the loaded gun should stay holstered. But then you see that shiny new leather holster that you really want to try out. What now? Unload it right there? Hmmm.
thump_rrr
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If carrying loaded firearms into a gun show was permitted imagine how many ND's would occur when the mental midgets will pull theirs out to compare their trigger pull to the one they're looking to purchase.
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JRH6856
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Considering some of the mental midgets that I saw at the gun show Saturday, that seems like an extremely wise policy.
JFrame
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Perhaps the man was a DEA agent...
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Isaac-1
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Personally I feel safer in gun shows that have strict NO LOADED GUNS policies for the reasons mentioned above than in ones that are more relaxed. There is just too much potential for being an inocent bystander, if something bad were to happen there are also likely a few hundred people that could have a gun loaded and ready in a couple of seconds which could again be bad if they all reacted at once. Afterall this is not no guns allowed, this is no LOADED guns allowed
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Sam1911
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NOT a holstered, loaded, defensive sidearm. If the attendee doesn't understand the difference, then surely I agree.
If a gun is going to be out "in public" (unholstered) then it certainly should be zip-tied at the door, or cased, or in some other way made clear. If someone is bringing a gun to the show to try out grips or holsters, or to sell/trade -- don't friggin' ccw that one that day.
Guns that are to be handled, traded, test-fit, etc -- YES. Otherwise? It's just "security theater."
Sheesh, that's a depressing thought. Certainly playing the incremental safety balancing act, though. Asking folks to unload encourages NDs. But NOT asking folks to unload allows NDs, too. The "unload zone" NDs are (at least often) outside and a bit safer to the bystanders. The "loaded" zone NDs (at least often) inside where there are more likely to be casualties. Maybe we just need a tougher self-policed standard: Draw a loaded firearm in here and you're OUT without a refund.
What now? Tough! Take a card/number and get up with the guy later. Or, if I'm shopping for a holster for that gun -- carry a different one! I'm not so easily impressed that I cannot keep my gun in my pants just because I see a nice holster.
Which all just falls into the same trap as the "gun free" zones in the rest of society. Surely the people we're most concerned about will be following the rules, just like us law-abiding (rules-following) types ... right?
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While what you say is true, everyone who touches a gun at all needs to keep their booger finger off the boom switch unless actually trying to discharge the weapon.
Seems very simple to me, but maybe it has a dividing line, like the folks who cannot talk on the telephony whilst driving without having an accident.
kenjabroni
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First thing I thought of was great this gives all the gun fearing types more ammo against gun owners. My son asked me how in the heck did he accomplish that haha.
newbuckeye
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I know of a mental midget that has shot himself not once...but twice while holstering his CCW. I am dumbfounded that he still HAS a CWP!
guyfromohio
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I'd prefer a sign that reads (I've seen this at gun stores)... "While we encourage you to exercise your right to carry a concealed handgun, we ask that you keep it concealed. Firearms for sale or trade are to be cased, unloaded, with the action open".
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