manually de-cocking

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Huck Phinn I would check with sig and see if your gun is supposed to do that. I have a sig 229 and i have tried every way possible to test it and see if it would fire by accident but it won't AD. there is a hammer saftey bar that will not let the hammer rest or make contact with the firing pin unless you are cocked and pull the trigger to the break point at which time every thing lines up and releases the hammer, as soon as the hammer makes contact with the firing pin the hammer saftey bar automaticly comes back in to place as does the firing pin lock. at rest the hammer rests on the saftey bar just off the pin surface. take care and let us know what you find out.
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gp59,

Sorry if my first post did not make it clear: I deliberately set out to defeat SIG-Sauer’s design. The trigger of my P226, in full cock, has about 7mm takeup. If I take up anything over about 5½mm and free-drop the decocking lever, the hammer will freefall to the firing pin with enough speed to fire a round in the chamber. The firing pin safety and the safety step do not interfere. If I take up anything less than that 5½mm and free-drop the decocking lever, the hammer is engaged in the doubleaction notch and carries the trigger and trigger bar with it until the hammer comes to rest in the safety step and the round cannot be fired. With all due respect for Murphy’s law, I am comfortable that the system is working as designed. The bizarre (BIZARRE!) manipulation by which I fired my P226 was a deliberate attempt to overcome that design and took some doing.

Please feel free to copy my posts and forward them to Sigarms. My email address is public on this board, [email protected], and I will welcome Sigarms response whether direct or through you.
 
I have no problem with the decocker. On my PPKs, there is a block that rols with the safety. On my P-220ST, the hammer is lowered by the decocker, not dropped. Sometimes I do manually slow the hammer on the Walther while using the decocker.
 
I've been manually de-cocking my pistols for 50 years with never a problem so I don't think I'll change now.
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Ditto; I like hammer guns, no DAO's for me, I have been dropping the hammer
over 50 years, just feels right.:D
 
otomik, if you are uncomfortable with manual safetys, then you are not practicing enough. Stop with the 'quick fixes', and equipment mods,
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frame mounted safeties aren't the most comfortable, but this isn't about comfort and i never mentioned that in my original post. i was more afraid of the possibility of the safety accidentally being engaged when i rack the slide, this is a known problem with slide-mounted safeties and it's been mentioned before on this board. i believe a carry gun should be in "always on mode" and i think many people with decocker only rugers, sigs and "92g" berettas agree with me. so far i've been practicing using my Bersa's safety as if it were only a decocker in which i immediatly put back into fire mode to build good habits. however the possibility of that safety slipping and engaging when i rack the slide bothers me, so i'm looking into alternatives.

mannlicher, would you explain to me what part of that sounds so negligent as to justify your disrespectful tone?
 
I let the hammer slip on my beretta 92 f one time. thanks to the rules ( never point at anything you do not want to shoot) all I got was a hole in the floor. I ALWAYS use the decocker now
 
Hey Huck chill out man. from the sounds of your first post you did'nt think that kind of AD was possible. sorry if I ruffled your feathers bud. In all the years Iv'e shoot Sig's Iv'e never seen that scenario happen before, I even tried to duplicate what you did today and couldn't get it to work like you described. Sorry if what I said was taken wrong I thought you were concerned that it happened. take care.

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Nightcrawler is right.

I have been decocking 1911 pattern pistols for over 30 years now.
In fact I do it at least once a day. On my person my Colt Govt Series 80 is cocked and locked in a thumb break holster. Off of my person it is Condition 2, hammer down on a loaded chamber. Of course I alway replace the standard hammer with a nice wide WWI type.

Lowering the hammer on a 1911 patern pistol is really no different and no more dangerous that lowering the hammer on one of my S&W N-frames.
So far I've never dented a primer. But then again I practice cocking and uncocking as part of my regimen.

It's all a matter of training.
 
If a gun has a decocker, I use it. On any other gun that needs to be decocked I use the same technique as Mal H. Finger between the hammer and frame, pull the trigger and as the hammer starts it's forward fall I release the trigger and continue to lower it to rest. Quite safe. I grew up hunting with exposed hammer shotguns and single action pistols. Never had a problem. MUCH safer than driving on the freeway!!
str1
 
If you disable your safety with loctite you're asking for trouble.

If you ever have to use your gun in self defense, you're going to face a criminal investigation into your actions, and very likely get sued for wrongful death in civil court. How's it going to look to a jury that you phisically disabled the safety on your gun?

If you have an accidental discharge, how's it going to look? After using your gun for self defense you're going to be shaking and not thinking strait. How's it going to look if you accidently discharg your gun while trying to decock it? What if you accidently hurt someone through an accidental discharg? Do you think you are going to convince anyone you weren't negligent when you disabled the safety devise that would have prevented it?

If a gun has a decocker, us it. Make a habbit of using it. Not using it is negligent, and if things go wrong, you and possibly someone else will pay a high price for that negligence.

You're carrying a gun. It's a deadly weapon. Take responsibility for using it as safely as possible.
 
I have been decocking 1911 pattern pistols for over 30 years now.
In fact I do it at least once a day. On my person my Colt Govt Series 80 is cocked and locked in a thumb break holster. Off of my person it is Condition 2, hammer down on a loaded chamber.
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Why? Decocking because you can't manipulate the safety is one thing, but if you're a southpaw using a 1911 you get an ambi-safety. I don't know any good, valid reason to decock a 1911.
 
I carry my 1911's in condition 2 all the time and have done so for many,many years. Anyone that has experience with SA or DA revolvers, lever action hunting rifles or pisols, or anything with external hammers should be very efficient in dropping the hammer down with a live round in the chamber, if they aren't maybe they should stick to glocks.........
 
All my opinings on safeties and decocking:

1. If a gun has a decocker, use it.

2. I don't think I've ever manually decocked a 1911 or a SA CZ on a loaded chamber... They either are in condition one or do not have a loaded chamber.

3. If you're afraid of a manual decocker, you haven't used it enough and you probably shouldn't have enough faith in the gun itself to bet your life on.

4. NEVER try to decock a Glock.

5. ALWAYS have the gun pointed in a safe direction. If you aren't in a Hollywood movie, you shoulnd't decock a pistol or revolver while pointing it at someone's face. And if you have a DA revolver trained on someone's head and are giving them until the count of 'three' to give you information, don't cock the hammer on count 'two'.

6. Never say ALWAYS or NEVER. :p
 
The first gun I learned to lower the hammer on was my Winchester trapper. It had a manual safety, but leaving the safety off and thumbing back the hammer was faster and easier.

The same can be said of my Boomstick. It's a single shot 12 gauge with no safety and an exposed hammer. You can't break it open with the hammer back, so you'd better learn to lower that hammer safely.
 
A 1911 should be in either Cond 1 or Cond 3. IMO there's never a reason to be in Cond 2 with a 1911.
 
When I have a 1911 as a bedside gun it's kept in condition 2. You can grab it and cock the hammer with just one hand. The other hand goes for the flashlight sitting beside it. There are valid reasons even though you don't personally see them.
 
With a Series 70 firing mechanism, Condition 1 is safer than Cond 2. With a S80 it doesn't matter as long as your finger's off the trigger.

With any 1911 it's faster to drop the thumb safety than cock the hammer.

If the gun is safe for carry in Cond 1, why is it not safe to leave that way when you aren't wearing it. Kids? It should be in Condition 3 or preferably unloaded.

Just my opinion after owning and shooting 1911 handguns for the best 30 years of my life. Since our mileage obviously varies, can we agree to disagree.
 
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My opinion after 25+ years of owning and handling 1911s differ from yours as condtion one should only be used when the pistol is in your control.
We can agree to disagree and live happily ever after. :D
 
My humble opinions on this topic are biased whenever I take off my socks off.

I see the scar on my foot from a high school shooting buddy's clumsy fingers as he de-cocked his Winchester .22.

I am thankful he was too cheap to buy anything but standard velocity shorts!
 
Have to check one of my S&W manuals

But I believe they give a decocking procedure for a loaded revolver - point in a safe direction of course, put your finger between the firing pin and hammer and release the trigger . . . need to check the exact directions.

My recommendation is of course . . . . DON't DO THIS.
 
My reason

I don't know any good, valid reason to decock a 1911.
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Because it makes ME feel better.
And in MY house MY feelings are the only ones that matter.
In YOUR house you can do as you wish.

It it wasn't meant to be manually cocked or uncocked why is it on the outside of the slide and why does is have a spur?

As for the speed difference between thumb cocking and snicking the safety, only a fool would bet their life on the difference.
It's obvious you've never seen an experienced Condition 2 man at work.
But then again, I use a real 1911 hammer as designed by John Moses, not one of those sissified "combat" ones, and I practice with it a LOT.

Just my tuppence, y'all do what you want.
 
I think i'll just stay with using my Bersas safety as a decocker only like it's an argentine SIG or something. after considering it for a while i think a decocker is an unnecessary luxery but a useful one and even as a double action autoloader kind of guy i'd still consider buying CZs and other guns without decockers.

Just out of curiousity does anybody here keep their 1911 at condition zero and just rely on the grip safety like Browning intended?
 
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