Hey look! Another member who's joined the forum just to argue with me. Where do these guys come from?
Placid,
I'm sure you think you're being clever, but I'll go ahead and address your issues anyway.
You were kind enough to quote me. Now please point out where in that quote I said what Adirondack claimed I said.
He said:
I recall you yourself saying on one of these threads that you had to work on two (or was it more?) AMSEC BF safes for customers due to mechanical failures, I don't think you had mentioned anything about how long the customers had the safes but it seemed to me the failures weren't covered by warranty.
I said:
My company provides warranty service throughout the St. Louis metropolitan area for many gun safe manufacturers, including AMSEC. Off the top of my head, I can recall four or five calls in the last few years that were linkage related, that were not a result of an attempted burglary.
You will notice that no mention was made of repair work done to any BF safe, or any AMSEC safe for that matter. I know you guys are so excited at the belief that you may "catch me" that sometimes you jump the gun, or even just make stuff up. This is yet another example some of you thinking I mean something other than the very clear English I am typing.
But a1abdj, what about the most stringent U.L. fire rating of them all and there is no tougher U.L. fire rating out there it's U.L. 125 That, as I'm sure you know, is keeping the temperature below 125 degrees F plus also keeping the humidity below 80% as would be needed for sensitive computer media storage devices such as hard drives. That application uses exclusively ceramic fiber insulation and it can do it for four hours and up to 2000 degs F which no safe can do. Gee I'd think that ceramic wool stuff is pretty good if it can do that.
You're wrong.
Data safes are essentially a box inside of a box. The outer box is "cement" filled, and the inner box is ceramic. The outer box is exposed to those high temperatures, and must maintain an interior temperature of 350 degrees. The outer box is usually the exact same as a typical document safe.
The inner box would only be exposed to 350 degree heat, then keep its interior at or below 125 degrees. Since the "cement" in the outer safe can release moisture during a fire, the inner box is usually closed using a pressure system which forces the door against a gasket, thus sealing out the moisture.
By the way, wikipedia is the last place you should be looking if you're going to debate somebody who really knows what they're talking about. Afterall, we're talking safes, and the article you quoted is talking about fire rated rooms. Due to the air volume in each, you're really comparing apples and oranges.
I'm assuming a photo may be easier to understand than all of the confusing things I type, so here's an example:
I was even able to come up with a photo that shows the inside of the main door of a data safe. For security reasons I will not say who makes it, and have cropped it down just to show what I had spoken about above.
If you look closely, you will see "cement", not "ceramic wool".
Drylight offer protection, cement offer protection-----what is drylight---IS IT MIXED WITH RUBBER/CEMENT/GLASS
When I use the word "cement", I am talking about any fill material that starts out in mostly liquid form, and cures (partially or fully). Different manufacturers use different mixtures. They don't usually say exactly what their mix is.