maybe ive been wrong about ak accuracy. how accurate is yours?

how accurate is/was your ak47

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ive always heard that ak's just are not precision fire rifles. in fact the term "minute of man" or "minute of pieplate" is the term i see most often describing their accuracy. im sure most have seen this too. i did a thr search for "ak accuracy" without much luck.

im sure most of you have seen the online video "ak 47 vs m 16" (its got almost 7.5 million views) where @200 yds the ak shoots a 5 shot group at a man sized silhouette, and fails to register a single hit, with only 1 striking the paper at all.

ive got to consider that this is just one man, firing just one ak, and not make anymore of it than that.

ive never owned an ak (my brother did however, but just one. it was around 8"-10" @ 100yds) it was chinese however, and i dont know how good or bad those are.

what is (or was, if you no longer have it) the overall average accuracy of your ak47 rifle @ 100yds? (in 7.62x39)

im sure that some will be more accurate than others.

maybe the old ak doesnt get the credit it deserves. (at least by me)
 
I have an "All Matching" AK that shoot about 3" at 100 yards with irons. My Saiga shoots about the same sometimes a little better. I am picking up a SGL 21 in a day or two and hope it shoots about the same. I was a total AK snob until I started shooting one on a whim. Then I realized that it is a pretty good rifle. I like them better than my AR, but it is a personal thing. I went from a Mini that I liked because it was simple and never jammed, but lacked accuracy and power, to a M1A scout, that was really too powerful for my situation and more complicated to a AR which was accurate, but still needed to more power and had some reliability issues, to the AK. The AK is simple, more powerful and splits the accuracy between the Mini and the AR. I am not trying to bait either the Mini guys or the AR guys. These were simply my impressions after doing a bunch of shooting with each rifle. The AK is not and never will be like an good shooting AR, but it gives you a simple gun a with decent accuracy and ultra reliable.

AK47 piston driven since 1947....
 
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Every AK I owned until the current one has been 3-5 MOA depending on gun and ammo.

I recently, despite some misgivings, picked up a CAI AK74. Mostly the decision was influenced by cheap ammo, and I had good luck with my (second) CAI Golani. I don't know if the 5.45x39 guns generally shoot better, but the current gun does 2 MOA most of the time with Russian surplus. However, once it gets hot, it's more like 3-4 MOA. Rifle has exactly 1060 rounds through it.

Here's said rifle in current accoutrements.

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With Irons 3" at 100yds.
With scope 10" at 200yds.
And this is all the time shooting, not just the best in 100 rounds.
I think iron sights are what make people think it is a poor rifle, some people just dont want to learn how to use them.
But I do find them slow to use for fast accurate shots past 100yds.

Gonna get a tech sight ASAP!
 
I get about 4" 5 shot groups with my WASR shooting wolf ammo. I've never tried anything different to see if my rifle shoots it better.

I also don't really spend that much time shooting groups at any distance with my AK either so maybe I'd do better if I worked on it, but that isn't what I like my AK for anyway.
 
i'm actually kinda suprised. i always said after my brother sold his (and he said it too) i would never own one.

i could maybe see owning one that would shoot like some of the ones you guys have.

azziza, fmjmike, and guntech, all are getting accuracy from their ak's that i would have previously never thought possible.

were the chinese ones (my brothers was chinese, norinco i think) known to be a bit sloppier?
 
4" to 5" with a mix of any kind of commie ammo you can burn through them...

own 2, sold 1...... all shot very similar. My groups are typically somewhat rapid fire no rest.
 
SLG-21 - around 2.5" - 3"

Romak-I - around 4"+

Romak-II - pretty bad, happy if one gets on the silhouette at that range. 6"-8" group at 50 yds.

Romy G kit - 3" - 4" (probably could do better with a fixed stock instead of the wire folder).
 
I have owned about a dozen AK's. The good ones go 2-2.75 moa (occasionally better), while the others were 3-4 moa rifles at 100 yds. I recently shot an IZ-240 that put 8 of 10 shots inside of a 6 inch circle at 220 yds, and the other two shots would still have been kills on a coyote. (4X russian scope). Fortier writes about a friend who shot 11 shots in an 8.2 inch circle at 300 meters with a 5.45 Vepr and Hornady ammo. (open sights) Most of the time a shooter should be able to hit an 8X12 steel plate at 200 yds with an AK and standard sights. I had a Vepr 308 and Saiga 16" 308 that were very close to each other in accuracy, right at 1.75-2 moa.
 
lol, just some funny info

this thread has made me google: "how big is a pie plate"?

most result dont specifically answer the question, but in recipes from baking sites say things like:

"grease a 10"-12" pie plate, lay pie crust and knead out from the center, folding the outer edges over and trim with sharp baking scissors"

so the old "minute of pie plate" cliche is obviously coming from ak opponents, lol.
 
I can't help wondering if the 5.45 benefits from the slightly stiffer barrel over the 7.62. Or maybe the Russian surplus 5.45 ammo has better QC than the bulk Chinese 7.62 we used to buy. There are certainly a umber of factors to consider. My rifle does not have a chrome bore, and depending on the process and prep used, chrome bores are generally less accurate shooters than non-chromed ones (which is why you don't see chrome lined match bbls).

Or maybe it's just luck.

Based on my previous experience, I still think a 3 MOA AK is a very good example of the breed.

I intend to keep shooting this rifle, and maybe acquire another to see if the 5.45 guns really shoot better, as well as chrono the ammo to see if velocity has less variation than the surplus 7.62x39.
 
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I had a super builder put a Romy G kit together for me. To test it, he put it in a rifle rest and with 10 rounds of Russian ammo it shot just over 1 MOA. Granted that's better than I will ever be able to shoot it, but the rifle is capable of fantastic accuracy.
 
From a benchrest using Wolf about 4" @ 100yds with my WASR. Usually I fire unsupported and the groups are larger. Plenty good enough though.
 
ive got a wasr-10...bench at 100 yds i usually get around 3''-3.5'' with wolf ammo
not the most accurate things in the world...but they are a lot of fun to shoot
 
didn't keep mine lone enough to tighten it up THE GROUP , didn't like the feel of it while shooting it.
MINE WAS A G
would Rather shoot my sks's than a AK = ANY DAY
 
Mine is acceptably accurate, 100% reliable so far and is said to have sufficient stopping power. Sounds like an ak to me.
 
My oldest son is the AK shooter. Last time I saw him shoot about 1 to 3" at 50 yds
I can't even see a 100 yds
Here is my 50 yard target from my Mini 30

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This poll needs to specify a few things to clearify some issues.

How accurate is your new from the box AK (not parts build with serious questionable looseness and near out of spec) with quality american made ammo or handloads (not cheap steel case import ammo ) from a bench rested handguard or receiver position (not rested on the barrel itself LOL like I seen many do) with a decent magnified optic on a real solid optics mounting platform?

The range guys I seen shooting wolf black box ammo from not so high quality
AK rifles without optics and resting the rifle on the barrel or free handing the rifle and officially determining the rifle is minute of pie plate is not are not to be taken seriously.
 
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