maybe ive been wrong about ak accuracy. how accurate is yours?

[AK103K]

Have you tried KVAR or AK-OK? They should be able to hook you up.

http:www.k-var.com

http://aa-ok.com

I prefer the standard hand guard myself. I know some of the other types do interfere with the Ultimaks, but I dont have any experience with them to know which ones. If you get the synthetic type, make sure they have the heat guards in them.

 

[rklessdriver]

I have a Norinco NHM-91 that (with the aid of a bench rest and 6X optic) will shoot 5 rnds into 1.5" and 10rnds into 2" any day of the week. It really likes the Barnhaul 8m3 JHP.

My converted SAIGA has a best ever 3"@100yrds gun with Golden Tiger FMJ and the factory irons. I can consistantly do 3.5" to 4" off a bench with it. I've never put an optic on it so I think it can do better under the right conditions.

They will shoot better than alot of folks give them credit for.
Will

 

[gunzee]

I've seen 1 MOA with a Finnish AK, no longer imported. It was 223, however. Valmet, actually. So the gun can be accurate, no doubt. The .30 ammo usually sucks, accuracy-wise, and most of the Ak's are pretty sloppily made.

 

[GunTech]

My synthetic did not have the heat shield, and it got too hot, which is why I wanted to replace it. Definitely want something with a heat shield.

 

[MTMilitiaman]

My TDI synthetics don't have a heat shield and I know they can withstand a couple hundred rounds put through in rapid order as failure drills and sequence drills. They'll get hot, but are well ventilated and pretty heavy duty, so I've never had them deform or become so hot that I couldn't handle them. Adding the Tango Down VFG not only adds to shooter comfort, but also aids in controllability, so I am happy with that set up. Am hoping for an Ultimak with an Aimpoint on it before too long though.

 

[jhansman]

My AK is not a target rifle, so if I can hit an 8-in. Shoot-N-See at 100yds off hand (and I can), then it does just what I need.

 

[481]

I typically get 4"-5" five shot groups at 100 yards from my AKs (all Arsenal SASM7s and SAM7s) when I do my part.

Larger groups (7"-8") are the norm if I run a longer shot string, say 10-15 shots, since the barrel heats up and my eyes may fatique at/near the end of the string.

My best group was shot at 200 yards on a calm day when my allergies weren't messing with my vision. Six rounds fell into just under 5 inches.

 

[GunTech]

OK, AK experts: a couple of questions.

What the best AK site for modders/builders?

Are gas tubes interchangeable between 5.45/5.56/7.62 AKs?

Where can I find a Saiga (smooth) gas tube. I've got an idea for a new AK-74 project.

 

[my762buzz]

What the best AK site for modders/builders?

The Krebbs rail AR style peep site extends the sight radius to the the rear point on the receiver. A KNS precision front .034 post is the best front post more precise shooting. By the way, the better triggers when hand polished out smooth are awesome. This same rifle in the picture when scoped, benched properly, and shot with quality ammo like american eagle or double tap has launched bullets into 1 to 1.5 inch 5 shot groups consistently.
With Wolf black box, more like 3 or more inches. I need to work up a decent handload and maybe I will see even better groups. My saigas are nearly as precise with good brass cased ammo.

 

[Snakum]

I have 2 WASR 10/63s setup exactly alike. One of them will shoot Brown Bear HPs into sub 2" groups every time with a scope ... till it gets hot. It really is pretty amazing for a cheap CAI WASR. It's so good, in fact, I am using it tomorrow with a red dot optic in a three-gun match that includes 200 yard shots. I haven't practiced at 200 yards with it and the Millet red dot is new and unproven on it. So I simply zeroed 3" high at 100 yards tonight and will see what it gives me. It'll be challenging, for sure.

My other WASR 10/63 will shoot 3" - 4" with Brown Bear HP, like most AKs. And 3 - 4 MOA is about what I expect from a decent battle rifle.

I've seen Saigas shoot better than my humble WASRs, and most ARs shoot far better. But 'minute-of-bad guy' is all I need from it. I have a long range weapon for anything over 200 yards anyway.

 

[Kurt_D]

My WASR is worst - probably ~5" at 100 based on about a 2" group at 25, I don't shot it much. My Bulgarian 7.62s average 3-4" at 100, .223 is at 3". The 7.62 Saiga is the best - 2" group at 100 and 5.45 with surplus shoots 3" groups at 100.

 

[GunTech]

site (as in web site) not sight (as in rifle sight).

I've already got an Tech Sight on my AK, which I consider one of the better iron sights.

 

[Gord]

My converted Saiga (7.62x39) will break clays on the berm fairly easily at 100. I don't shoot paper much, but I'm assuming that translates to around a 3" spread.

 

[_N4Z_]

This thread made me wonder about my Polish build Vector, 7.62x39.

I've had this thing for about 4+ years now and the only accuracy checking I've done with it were 20 round groups at man size silhouettes at 100 yards. If it stayed in the black that was good enough for me. No benching with this thing, though I do regularly shoot the 200 yard gong with it on the table.

So this morning I took it out and used the bag set up I use with my mil surps for load testing. I do not load x39 though so this test was conducted with 123gr BrownBear HP.

First group of 5 went 6+ inches. 3 @ 2.25 inches, 2 pushing it open to 6.

Second group of 5 again 6+. 3 @ 3.75 inches, 1 pushing it open to 6, and the other hole nowhere to be seen. Here's the interesting thing about the missing round... The rifle slam fired on me! Very strange, something I've not ever experienced with this particular rifle. I was slow firing and noticed a tiny bit of gritty on the pull right before the hammerfall. ?? The trigger is double hook design.
Stopped slow pulling the trigger and experienced no more slamming.

Third group put 5 @ 4.375 inches.

Fourth group another 5 @ 4.125 inches.

Last 5 rounds of the box were shot at the gong.

Gave a good 5 minutes between groups to cool the barrel a bit. Was only in the 50's here this morning.

I checked "around 4 inches" for the vote, though specifically I would call it a between 4 and 5 inch rifle @ 100 yards.

 

[nathan]

Polytec Type 56 with Ulyanovsk HP gave me 1.5 inch group at 100 yds on rest.

MAK 90 with same ammo grouped 2 inch.

SAR 1 with same ammo grouped 3 .5 inch .

Bulgarian AK 74 with 5.45 Russian FMJs grouped 3 inches.

Yugoslavian SKS with surplus Yugo FMJs grouped 2 inch grp.

 

[Roastbeef]

I think it's funny how so many in the firearms forums talk about differences in MOA. If a gun is accurate, then the grouping is 2 inches or less. If it's 5 or 6 inches, it's bad accuracy. Really cracks me up. Accuracy only matters in a sniper situation, hunting where you need to place a shot or competition shooting. Otherwise, if a gun is for self defense and SHTF scenarios, I would say if you can hit a watermelon you should be happy. So, what....big deal....You can't hit the heart of an enemy. I guess a lung or stomach isn't good enough??????

 

[carbine85]

I have a Norinco that sucks. With a trigger job and reloads the best I can get is 4-5" @ 100 yards and it gets worse @ 200. Personaly I don't care for the AK. It lacks the ergonomics of the AR15. I thought about adding a longer stock and changing sights but probably not worth spending the coin.

 

[Girodin]

I think it's funny how so many in the firearms forums talk about differences in MOA. If a gun is accurate, then the grouping is 2 inches or less. If it's 5 or 6 inches, it's bad accuracy. Really cracks me up. Accuracy only matters in a sniper situation, hunting where you need to place a shot or competition shooting.

It didn't cross your mind that there are people who in fact use AKs to hunt and for competition? Also some people like to shoot at longer ranges where the difference between a 2 MOA rifle and a 6 MOA rifle is rather significant.

If my AK in .308 is a 2 MOA rifle one can shoot it to 600 yards with an optic and make com hits provided they have the skills to shoot it that far. If it is 6 MOA it does not have that capability. Thus it matters to me. honestly there is even a fairly significant difference at 200-300 yards between a rifle shooting 2 MOA and 6 moa.

Essentially all you have said is that accuracy only matters to the extent the task the gun will be used for requires accuracy, how insightful. Where you have really gone astray is to assume that no one uses their gun for a task where it does and thus it is laughable that they have any concern about the capabilities of their weapons.

It cracks me up that some people are so quick to judge what concerns others. Honestly, even if one's interest in their weapons accuracy is only academic what's it to you? Why is that so laughable?

 

[kwelz]

First time I have ever seen anyone make tyhe claim that hitting the target really isn't all that important.

6 MOA means about 12 inches at 200 yards. So unless you are exactly centered on your target there would be a chance of missing just because of the accuracy of the gun.

 

[possum]

my mak 90 with wolf 154gr soft points will keep every round, magazine, after magazine in the a zone of an ipsc target all day long at 200yds. i have done this prone unsupported, and seated.

 

[Roastbeef]

Well, it's laughable because so many AR owners are quick to judge those that own AK's or Mini's. If I am in a gun fight with an enemy with 100 yds between us, does it really matter that his moa is 4 inches better than mine??? Let's say I have the AK or the Mini and 100 yds away the enemy has an AR-15. I think if either one is hit, it won't matter that the MOA difference might be 4 inches. At that point, it really comes down to windage, elevation, ammunition, and not to mention the skill of the person using the weapon.

 

[Justin]

If you never intend to shoot a rifle beyond 100 yards, then an AK is probably an ok choice.

 

[kwelz]

Justin an AK can engage a target beyond 100 Yards. The polls is showing 4MOA and under for most gun. This would mean 8 inches at 200 yards which is still Minute of man. Heck even 300 yards would probably be fine.

 

[Robert]

4 moa at 100 yards is 12" at 300. That is unacceptable from any rifle. Heck 4 moa from a rifle at 100 is unacceptable.

 

[kwelz]

While on the outer edge of acceptability I think that is fine for a combat weapon where the normal engagement range is going to be less than 100 Yards. Heck probably within 50 depending on the environment.