Mitt Romney Interview About Aurora and More Gun Control
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CharlieDeltaJuliet
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I'll be honest, I hope he has changed his views, but I don't believe it. Even if he says he believes in the 2A, he sacrificed his own state( threw them under the bus) to strike a deal. This is not what I want, what else would he sacrifice. On the other hand, the other candidate is not any better on gun issues(has not signed a ban, but would if he could). What do we do when neither side supports our beliefs? I feel like I don't have a presidential candidate to support. For the first time in my life, I am not sure if I can vote for the POTUS.
k-frame
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As someone once wrote, there may be times when you don't have someone or something to vote for, but there will almost always be something on the ballot for which you want to vote against.
loadedround
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It's almost the choice givin to a condemmed man; be hanged or shot. Think I have to go with Mr. Romney, all things taken into consideration.
CharlieDeltaJuliet
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Very wise words K-frame, you are right. I choose my votes very very carefully. I just feel a little disappointed with our choices. Thank you my friend, for keeping me in check. You are right and this is bigger than me or even my family, this is about right and wrong, and the rights of our citizens.
CharlieDeltaJuliet
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Yeah loadedround, I agree. I just hope it doesn't bite us in the end.
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JustinJ
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Its just a matter of him knowing what position he must assume to prevent his base from staying home. It would be nice if somebody called him on the confliction between his current statements and his supporting and signing the Massachusetts AWB.
I don't know that anything informative was said.
What firearms laws did Holmes break. I'm not trying to make a controversial statement, but planning to carry out and then carrying out this attack is always a crime, but it isn't breaking any gun laws specifically. Making the explosive/incendiary devices isn't violating any firearms laws so they're irrelevant to the question asked about his gun control position.
He acquired the firearms and ammunition legally and no law other than a complete ban would have helped since he had no criminal record and had not been under treatment for any mental illness.
It would have been something we could rejoice about if he'd said that he were grateful that more people weren't killed or wounded as in Norway's massacre and that these isolated instances of insanity are so rare they don't make for the basis for good laws affecting the entire nation.
The governor said nothing supporting our side (he pretty much said nothing), but he didn't throw us under the bus.
What firearms laws did Holmes break. I'm not trying to make a controversial statement, but planning to carry out and then carrying out this attack is always a crime, but it isn't breaking any gun laws specifically. Making the explosive/incendiary devices isn't violating any firearms laws so they're irrelevant to the question asked about his gun control position.
He acquired the firearms and ammunition legally and no law other than a complete ban would have helped since he had no criminal record and had not been under treatment for any mental illness.
It would have been something we could rejoice about if he'd said that he were grateful that more people weren't killed or wounded as in Norway's massacre and that these isolated instances of insanity are so rare they don't make for the basis for good laws affecting the entire nation.
The governor said nothing supporting our side (he pretty much said nothing), but he didn't throw us under the bus.
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The_Armed_Therapist
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I think he'll keep his word, but I don't think he believes it. Not at all. He has long embodied a personal double-standard. Ironically, Latter-day Saint scripture teaches that we're to only vote for honest, wise men, who will support and uphold the Constitution. Guess who this Latter-day Saint is not voting for? Most of my fellow Latter-day Saints are so enamored with the prospect of a Mormon President that they overlook what our scripture tells us.
22-rimfire
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I suspect Mitt Romney knows that more gun restrictions won't eliminate such crimes as the one in Aurora CO whether the restrictions be geared toward military looking semi-auto rifles or handguns that accept magazines containing more than 10-rounds relative to criminals or people planning criminal activities involving a firearm.
As Hso said, Holmes didn't break any gun laws. Holmes began breaking laws when he made the step to carry those weapons inside that movie theater. For non-shooters, hearing that he had 6,000 rounds of ammunition in his apartment demonstrates malicious intent. But anyone that shoots this class of rifle knows that you can shoot up 6,000 rounds very quickly at the local gun range.
I don't know what the law is regarding making explosives.
As Hso said, Holmes didn't break any gun laws. Holmes began breaking laws when he made the step to carry those weapons inside that movie theater. For non-shooters, hearing that he had 6,000 rounds of ammunition in his apartment demonstrates malicious intent. But anyone that shoots this class of rifle knows that you can shoot up 6,000 rounds very quickly at the local gun range.
I don't know what the law is regarding making explosives.
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CharlieDeltaJuliet
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I was not referring to him throwing us under the bus, I really ment when he signed the AWB while governor. I agree that other than the assaults themselves up until that point no firearm laws were broken. It should have never been a firearm or gun law issue. It is a lunatic issue. A firearm has no intent, only the user does. People with malicious intent, have no respect for laws.
CoRoMo
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I view Mr. Romney like I view my state's Democrat governor. You can read a good description of my views of my governor here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=669571
I don't believe Romney is "pro-gun". I would not go as far as to say that he is "anti-gun" though. I know as well as everyone here, that Romney has acted very 'anti-gun' in the past. But now he's supposedly on our side again. So IMHO, he's just one of these politicians that really sickens me because they don't have a definitive, credible record of obvious conviction.
He simply dodged the gun questions in that interview.
Posts #3 and #4 are spot on.
I don't believe Romney is "pro-gun". I would not go as far as to say that he is "anti-gun" though. I know as well as everyone here, that Romney has acted very 'anti-gun' in the past. But now he's supposedly on our side again. So IMHO, he's just one of these politicians that really sickens me because they don't have a definitive, credible record of obvious conviction.
He simply dodged the gun questions in that interview.
Posts #3 and #4 are spot on.
Tim the student
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Given his past, there is absolutely no way that I trust him. I don't think he (or Obama for that matter) will do anything or even say anything regarding guns until after the election. But that doesn't mean that both don't want to - I think they are both anti. Fortunately, they are antis that are looking to get re/elected.
Why would you trust any former governor who signed into law a so-called assault weapon ban in Mass. to create the most restrictive gun contral state in the union? In mass., you can't even buy ammo, powder, primers, brass, etc without a state ammo license.
Why would you trust any politician who has never owned a gun and who has fabricated a story about a historical duck hunt which cannot be substantiated by records of him obtaining a hunting license?
This man will say anything to get elected - period.
Obama and Romney are both anti-gun and the illusion of anything other than that is being totally niave.
WAKE UP - OUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE UNDER ATTACK ONCE AGAIN.
Why would you trust any politician who has never owned a gun and who has fabricated a story about a historical duck hunt which cannot be substantiated by records of him obtaining a hunting license?
This man will say anything to get elected - period.
Obama and Romney are both anti-gun and the illusion of anything other than that is being totally niave.
WAKE UP - OUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE UNDER ATTACK ONCE AGAIN.
JustinJ
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Did he not know this as Gov of Massachusetts?
What more does he need to do get the "anti-gun" title?
Ohhh, I think that as governor of Mass at that time signing the AWB that the Mass legislature passed overwhelmingly was what you'd expect to happen, BUT the Anti rhetoric he used at the time went beyond bowing to the inevitable. These days a governor that didn't agree but wasn't strong enough for a veto would simply refuse to sign and let a law go into place without his signature.
22-rimfire
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I equate Romney's pro or anti gun belief system to a rich guy who can get anything he wants for the most part regardless of the laws in place. Hence any difficulty in acquiring a firearm or keeping it is not something he thinks about. I doubt he understands what it is like to not have money. Obama comes from another place and this heritage makes him more suspect to lead the charge for stronger gun laws (especially in a second term).
George W. Bush stated he would sign the "assault weapon" ban IF Congress passed it. He knew that Congress would not pass it. That would be pretty much the way Romney will act if he is President.
George W. Bush stated he would sign the "assault weapon" ban IF Congress passed it. He knew that Congress would not pass it. That would be pretty much the way Romney will act if he is President.
ATBackPackin
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This is the main quote I was referring to. To be honest I am not sure how he really feels about more gun control, but I do believe that he will support whatever the majority of the people support. So we need to keep up the good fight and educate the masses about our birth right to be able to keep and bear arms. I think it is working but this fight will never go away. There will always be people who want to take our rights away but we need to keep our politicians feet to the fire. Let them know that our liberty is not for sale and we will do anything it takes to live as free men and women.
So do I believe him? Who knows, but I do believe if we tell him to leave our second amendment alone or else, he will.
Shawn
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Romney is anti, his past record is clear. Crystal clear. Vote for him because his positions on other issues over ride 2A. But he can't take back the Ma. laws he signed. They still exist.
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I think that Mitt Romney feels the same way about the 2A as you do about knitting. He probably does not care one way or the other. He will support the most popular view in order to get elected. That is what professional politicians do. Back in the 90's the politically expedient thing, at least in in Massachusetts, was to jump on the ‘assault weapons’ bandwagon. Now that his political aspirations are national he must modify that stance in order to win votes in the traditionally conservative South and West. As long as the majority of potential Republican voters oppose more gun control so will Mitt Romney. If recent gun sales and expanding availabity of concealed carry permits are any indication, we don't have much to worry about.
JN01
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Bingo. That's my take on him as well.
22-rimfire
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It boils down to "if you pass it, I will sign it," if there is significant public support.
leadcounsel
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A second term anti gun dem with nothing to loose is certain to push anti gun laws. A first term gun neutral prez with a pro gun base will not push anti gun legislation.
And the next Prez will seat 1, possibly 2 or 3 Justices, replacing conservatives with liberals. We only won Heller 5-4 by 1 vote.
And the next Prez will seat 1, possibly 2 or 3 Justices, replacing conservatives with liberals. We only won Heller 5-4 by 1 vote.
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