Morgan Spurlock's 30 Days - "Gun Nation"

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http://www.hulu.com/watch/25712/30-days-gun-nation#s-p1-so-i0

Essentially the premise of the show is they take people on one side of an issue, and place them on the other. In this case they took a gun control activist and had her live with a man and his son who's entire lives revolve around guns.

I'm not sure how I feel about the carrying a BB gun ploy- it seems like something that could go terribly. I don't know if it was the gun guy, or the show producers that came up with that idea.

On the other hand when the woman fires her first shot, and starts crying, its very powerful, and I think its important for us, as a group, to understand how emotionally embedded the "guns are talismans of evil" is embedded in some of the people working against us.
 
I also thought it was interesting that the anti thought getting the kid interested in college would cure him is his gun loving disability.
 
I watched it, and I was shocked. This is the guy who did "Supersize Me" and "Maxed Out", neither of which I cared for, and both of which I thought were blatently biased. This show was fairly well balanced, and the girl goes from saying "only police & soldier's need guns", to believing that individuals should be able to own guns, that they can be fun, and defensive purposes are legitimate.

Thanks for the link, and I suggest others watch it, it is worth your time.
 
I hate how the debate is always portrayed as “normal people" vs "gun nuts”. I'm a normal person who owns guns. I hate how the average person who owns gun(s) and doesn't parade that fact is never accounted for in these sort of things. (edit: they did show the one guy's self defense story, which is refreshing) Even when they're showing "our side" its a person who has a small arsenal or is extremely pro-gun because that is what stands out.

I agree the college comment was offensive & most "normal" people don't cry for an hour after shooting a gun. This lady has a emotional problem that they are exploiting.

Also... why is it ok to constantly refer to people as "good ol boys" and talk about these stereotypes e.g. "i expected a confederate flag" on television... they wouldn't put a show on with offensive material like that for any other group.
 
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Dinosaur: I think my CCW instructor said it pretty well. "I'm a gun nut, I'm not a nut with a gun"

I watched that show about a year ago, before viewing I expected the worst and was pleasantly surprised.

Thanks for the link, Owen.
 
Ah, 2008. Well, i appreciate the repost. Those of us that live under rocks wouldn't have seen it otherwise.
 
I used the search function to find the old ones but nothing came up on the first two of three pages...oh well.
 
As an enthusiast who works with fresh from over the water English and Irish peoples, I find their reactions interesting and varied. I will have to dig up this episode on netflix or hulu, as ironically my wife and I have been watching these but haven't caught this one. My immediate boss is disgusted by guns, and our business is BR and Blast resistant windows! On the flipside, the owner had a blast out shooting with me when he was over. Most of the guys closest relationship to guns are games like call of duty. Most all these guys relish the chance at the real thing. Others actually fear them, and I guess if I see their side I can understand. In america though I have a hard time understanding why anyone would choose to be completely unarmed, especially if you don't live in some high rise metropolis. My personal philosophy is that guns are like planes, and if you aren't used to flying, you are generally going to be apprehensive about it. Same with guns, if you weren't brought up with them, never were around them, you would be apprehensive of same.
 
dinosaurjones said:
I hate how the average person who owns a normal number of guns and doesn't parade that fact is never accounted for in these sort of things. (edit: they did show the one guy's self defense story, which is refreshing) Even when they're showing "our side" its a person who has a small arsenal or is ridiculously pro-gun because that is what stands out.

I find your comments troubling and offensive.

What is a normal number of guns? What constitutes an arsenal and what is wrong with having one? How can a person be 'ridiculously' pro-gun?

Those statements and comments are no better than the person looking for rebel flags and moonshine...
 
I too am interested in knowing what a "normal" number of guns is. I am concerned that after all of these years of thinking I was "normal" I might actually have a small arsenal and be one of those people who are ridiculously pro-gun! :rolleyes:
 
Where I come from, a "normal" number of guns is having all you can afford and constantly seeking more. Also the term "ridiculously pro gun" offends me. I am as extreme pro gun as you have ever met and I don't see anything "rediculous" about it. It's called freedom. Apparently the founding fathers thought it to be kind of important since they only put one other right ahead of it. Without the 2nd ammendment, you wouldn't have the 1st very long.
 
What is a normal number of guns? What constitutes an arsenal and what is wrong with having one? How can a person be 'ridiculously' pro-gun?

I'll try to answer this thinking like one of "them"


What is a normal number of guns?

No more than 2, one of them being the old single shot 16 gauge grandpa left you, the other a .22 rifle

What constitutes an arsenal

Anything more than the above mentioned

what is wrong with having one?

Don't you know that guns, especially black ones that hold more than 6 boo-lits, turn people into homicidal maniacs?

How can a person be 'ridiculously' pro-gun?

By thinking registration is wrong, and that it's a god-given right to own them.


The terms are slightly more lenient for the Fudd's. They'd probably allow for the number of guns in the US divided by the number of gun owners. What's that, about 4 each? Of course, they'd all have to be O/U or wood stocked pump shotguns, or bolt/lever action rifles in calibers suitable for big game. For handguns, SAA type or 4+" DA. I mean, what type of person could ever have a need for 15 rounds in a handgun (except for police, of course)?
 
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Oh, I've seen this.... it was good. I don't think it was too badly edited.

What can you say? This woman actually got to where atleast she understands there are these people that own guns who don't also want to kill everything in sight.

She will probably never own a gun. But, atleast she might now not automatically believe everything she is told once she is back in Massachusetts.
 
Wow, I just watched this and it actually wasn't bad. It seemed fairly even, and legitimately unbiased. Now here's my story:

As an ex-bleeding heart liberal, I made a huge 180 on guns when I actually shot one. I grew up on one of the few surviving farms in my area. Our land was completely surrounded by subdivisions, and I never much cared for the farm life mentality. I always saw myself as someone who'd move downtown and live a liberal art lifestyle. When we were kids, young enough to where I don't much remember it, my grandpa would take us around our land and pick off rabbits and I hated it! I would cry and feel terrible for the cute, innocent bunnies, squirrels, etc. Those were the only firearm experiences I ever grew up with. We never had a gun in the house, other than pellet rifles or bb guns.

Fast forward to around the time I hit 21. I still have my yearning for big city life, I'm an art major, and I'm a budding tattoo artist. A few buddies of mine go out shooting time to time. I make fun of them for having guns, call them gun nuts, etc. One day they convince me to go out to the range with them. The first handgun I ever shot was a Sig Pro, and holy crap it was fun. Next up came a Kimber 1911. I was ecstatic! I couldn't believe that something I never gave the time of day, never saw the need of having, and legitimately feared could be as fun as it was. I filled out a FOID card application that same day at the gun shop.

Jump ahead another 2 years, and I start looking into buying a gun, which was something I never, ever thought I'd do. Up until then, I always went out with buddies or rented a gun at the range. At this point, I still didn't see guns as anything other than range toys, and for the life of me couldn't figure out why people needed any more than one or two of them. I end up going with a Taurus PT24/7 Pro in 9mm that one of my buddies sold to me. At this point, I keep it unloaded at all times, locked in a safe, mags empty, ammo separate from firearm. I never saw it as a self defense tool, and for the first few weeks of owning it, I was actually somewhat uncomfortable having it in my place, more so if I ever happened to load it, just to kind of gauge what it was like having a loaded firearm somewhere other than in a range stall.

Now we skip ahead to today. I'm the ripe old age of 26, and I own several different guns of several different calibers. Rifles, shotguns, and pistols. My collection somehow keeps growing, and I now spend more money on guns than I do on guitars, which is something I never thought would happen.

I guess what I'm hoping what people take away from my story is this: There are many different faces to gun ownership. The armchair commando, the hand-me-downer, the weekend warrior, the competitor, and countless others. One thing we all have in common is our love of guns, and expressing our second amendment right. I myself am still more liberal than conservative, covered in tattoos, pierced in several places, and probably couldn't be in the same room with many of you for very long before we got into some kind of debate, or you told me to cut my hair. So when someone makes a comment about X amount of guns is too many, or can't grasp why someone would ever want to own an evil black rifle, don't get defensive, or worst, offensive!

In regards to the episode, I guess if I can go from bleeding heart liberal to gun-toting second amendment purveyor, just about anyone can. All it involves is education, and intelligent argument.
 
On the other hand when the woman fires her first shot, and starts crying, its very powerful, and I think its important for us, as a group, to understand how emotionally embedded the "guns are talismans of evil" is embedded in some of the people working against us.

You're over-complicating it.

The woman is scared of guns, her friend was shot to death so she blames guns, so the first shot she ever fires is a 12 gauge?

Ridiculous.

If the guy who was teaching her had ANY sense whatsoever, he would have started her off with a .22. If she STILL cried after that, then your remark would have validity. I've known grown men who were a little disconcerted the first time they shot a 12 gauge.
 
I too am interested in knowing what a "normal" number of guns is. I am concerned that after all of these years of thinking I was "normal" I might actually have a small arsenal and be one of those people who are ridiculously pro-gun!

Actually, I'm hoping I meet the definition - and then some. :D Whatever that definition turns out to be.
 
You're over-complicating it.

The woman is scared of guns, her friend was shot to death so she blames guns, so the first shot she ever fires is a 12 gauge?

Ridiculous.

If the guy who was teaching her had ANY sense whatsoever, he would have started her off with a .22. If she STILL cried after that, then your remark would have validity. I've known grown men who were a little disconcerted the first time they shot a 12 gauge.
It reminds me a lot of if you ever saw the gun control episode of Penn and Teller's Bull**** where they had this kid who plays video games a lot shoot some AR15 rifle, the guy didn't give him proper instructions on it at all and he was clearly holding it wrong, so he fired it, the stock hits him in the face and then later it shows that he was crying after it. Pretty exploitative, but that was very pro-gun too.
 
Sounds like exploitation of someone with emotional problems for TV ratings. Shame on them.

Did you actually watch it?

I've seen the show a few times.

Does she have "emotional problems?" Well, insofar as someone who's loved one died too early then yes, she has "emotional problems" akin to those possibly found in any of the rest of humanity.

But to leap to the conclusion that she's "exploited" is unfounded. In fact, the woman is hardly exploited, I'd say that aside from the ham-fisted way the "pro-gun" guy exposes her to a shotgun as her entré to firearms, she's actually dealt with quite sympathetically, and thanks in very large part to the understanding she's shown by the boy (who's not wrapped up in all the anthropological baggage regarding the "gun debate"), the folks at the gun shop she works in, and the man who saved his family's life thanks to his brain and his gun, she comes around to what most reasonable people would call a reasonable attitude about guns.

I partly agree with the OP. For me the take away from the episode was that there are people who's views and attitudes about guns are colored by some experiences based around horrible, life-altering death of loved ones. Elsewhere on The High Road a wise poster reminded us to show a little tolerance to soldiers returning from the middle east when they call their enemies "haji." The member said that we shouldn't be too quick to jump on those folks as being "bigoted" or "racist" because they had often seen these people kill their friends and polite terms of reference may not come so quickly after such an encounter.

Well, the same can be said of our fellow human beings who've had friends killed at the hands of a human with a gun. While it's not "logical" to hate guns, far be it from me to demand logic from someone who's lost a loved one. While their opinion of guns as evil may not be a reasonable reaction to the murder/death, it's often a part of the human coping mechanism to hate an inanimate object rather than their fellow human who used that object to kill.

To bring this around to a pro-RKBA discussion, maybe it's best for all of us to look at ways to get at the story behind someone's "illogical" hatred of guns rather than just off-handedly disparage them. Is this more work than many on the other side are willing to do for us? Maybe, but my impression of the high road is that it does require more work and more effort.

I'd prefer to get behind people's fears, anger, emotions, and understand why they see things the way they do, rather than malign their illogical stance. Sometimes the stories are powerful and the opportunities for me to learn are valuable.


Besides, I believe it was the Cohen Brothers who said "it's a fool that looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart" (O Brother Where Art Thou)
 
I watched the first 10 minutes and was dissappointed. But just to make sure I watched 2/3 of the rest of it. Nothing intelligent, just good o'le ah-merican infotainment here.
 
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