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Mosin Nagant - Am I the only one who does NOT like these?
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LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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I have three, and like them all quite a bit, one is a repro sniper and it will hit a paper plate at 100yrds everytime....even with me shooting it.
I did have to put a slip on recoil pad on it as it just hammers me too much, but then again I have 5 bits of titanium holding my head on.
They are such an intresting part of history and I think on par with every other bolt rifle of the era. You have to keep in mind what was going on in the USSR when most of them where made....the country was fighting for its life...so putting rifles in the hands of people was what was needed. Then all they had to do was hit a man sized target at around 100yards....thats it.
They are strong and are still found in the hands the US is fighting to this day. From WWI WWII, korea, vietnam and the war or terror...they are still in use.
Don't think of them as a tack driver, but great bolt battle rifle that lasted longer then any of the others from the same time....that should tell you something.
I did have to put a slip on recoil pad on it as it just hammers me too much, but then again I have 5 bits of titanium holding my head on.
They are such an intresting part of history and I think on par with every other bolt rifle of the era. You have to keep in mind what was going on in the USSR when most of them where made....the country was fighting for its life...so putting rifles in the hands of people was what was needed. Then all they had to do was hit a man sized target at around 100yards....thats it.
They are strong and are still found in the hands the US is fighting to this day. From WWI WWII, korea, vietnam and the war or terror...they are still in use.
Don't think of them as a tack driver, but great bolt battle rifle that lasted longer then any of the others from the same time....that should tell you something.
Tadracket
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Pull trigger, it goes boom. That is about all I like about them.
RatherNotSay
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HavelockLEO
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I have a Finnish capture 91/30 that shoots like a house on fire, its far better than ANY Russian Mosin Nagant I've ever owned.
morcey2
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I own 3 mosins. Hun M44, 1941 Finn-Captured Izhevsk M91/30 w/ Pot belly finn stock, and a 1933 Finn-captured Tula w/ a finn spliced stock where the back half used to be on an Austrian M91.
The M44 is reasonably accurate w/ surplus ammo. The bore on the 1933 looked like a sewer pipe, but has cleaned up quite nicely and can hit a milk jug at 100 yards every time. The 1941 has an awesome bore that slugged at 0.3125 and does groups just barely over 1" @ 100 yards. When someone with better eyes is shooting. It does about 3" for me. I paid $80 each for the M44 and the 1933 at a pawn shop.
I love mosins, especially Finns because you never know what you're going to get. The 1933 has an early M91/30 stepped front sight, a remington bolt handle, old izhevsk connecting bar and a very early tula cocking piece. The 1941 has a Chatellerault cocking piece, and early tula bolt body, a late Ishy connecting bar, and a Finn M91/30 stock. I'm getting at least one M39 at the start of next year and as many odd-balls as I can find locally.
The Hun is especially fun to shoot, especially at dusk. HUGE fireballs. I have a slip-on recoil pad to make that bearable. Without it, I last about 10 rounds before I'm done shooting for the day. I can shoot one of my 1903's for hours before my shoulder starts waving the white flag.
I have 5 different mausers: VZ-24, 1909 Argy, M44 spanish air force, 1910 Mexican (bubba got to it unfortunately, but it's turned into a very nice sporter) and a Yugo K98/48 action (Full-length german receiver rebuilt by yugoslavia after the war). On my list to get there is a German K98, Yugo M48, Brazilian 1908, Spanish 1916 or 1893 in 7mm, 1891 Argy, and as many Swede's as I can find.
I also have 2 1903's. First is my grandfather's custom 30-06 built on a RIA receiver. That is the most valuable gun in my collection as I inherited it from him. Unfortunately one of my cousins got to it before I got it and replaced the Weaver K4 w/ a cheap BSA Deerhunter (should have been named DeerNeedsToBeStandingCloseEnoughtToGetPowderBurnsHunter; it sucked). We used to pick off jackrabbits at 200+ yards with that K4. It was awesome. I put a Bushnell Elite 3200 on it and it is happy once again. The other is a SA 1903 w/ a 1909-dated Springfield barrel that I rescued from a pawn shop. (I'd have lots more money if I quit going to pawn shops.) Bubba had gotten to it, but just to the stock. I replaced the stock w/ a C-Stock and handguard from Sarco, refinished them both w/ BLO and a couple of coats of Toms 1/3 mix and it's my favorite shooter. I'm hopefully going to be picking up at least one 1903A3 next year also.
But I digress.
I love mosins. Cheap. Goes boom. Most are reasonably accurate. Some are amazingly accurate. And no two are alike. I may be picking up a red-lettered Izhy M91/30 on friday .
Matt
The M44 is reasonably accurate w/ surplus ammo. The bore on the 1933 looked like a sewer pipe, but has cleaned up quite nicely and can hit a milk jug at 100 yards every time. The 1941 has an awesome bore that slugged at 0.3125 and does groups just barely over 1" @ 100 yards. When someone with better eyes is shooting.
It does about 3" for me. I paid $80 each for the M44 and the 1933 at a pawn shop. I love mosins, especially Finns because you never know what you're going to get. The 1933 has an early M91/30 stepped front sight, a remington bolt handle, old izhevsk connecting bar and a very early tula cocking piece. The 1941 has a Chatellerault cocking piece, and early tula bolt body, a late Ishy connecting bar, and a Finn M91/30 stock. I'm getting at least one M39 at the start of next year and as many odd-balls as I can find locally.
The Hun is especially fun to shoot, especially at dusk. HUGE fireballs. I have a slip-on recoil pad to make that bearable. Without it, I last about 10 rounds before I'm done shooting for the day. I can shoot one of my 1903's for hours before my shoulder starts waving the white flag.
I have 5 different mausers: VZ-24, 1909 Argy, M44 spanish air force, 1910 Mexican (bubba got to it unfortunately, but it's turned into a very nice sporter) and a Yugo K98/48 action (Full-length german receiver rebuilt by yugoslavia after the war). On my list to get there is a German K98, Yugo M48, Brazilian 1908, Spanish 1916 or 1893 in 7mm, 1891 Argy, and as many Swede's as I can find.
I also have 2 1903's. First is my grandfather's custom 30-06 built on a RIA receiver. That is the most valuable gun in my collection as I inherited it from him. Unfortunately one of my cousins got to it before I got it and replaced the Weaver K4 w/ a cheap BSA Deerhunter (should have been named DeerNeedsToBeStandingCloseEnoughtToGetPowderBurnsHunter; it sucked). We used to pick off jackrabbits at 200+ yards with that K4. It was awesome. I put a Bushnell Elite 3200 on it and it is happy once again. The other is a SA 1903 w/ a 1909-dated Springfield barrel that I rescued from a pawn shop. (I'd have lots more money if I quit going to pawn shops.) Bubba had gotten to it, but just to the stock. I replaced the stock w/ a C-Stock and handguard from Sarco, refinished them both w/ BLO and a couple of coats of Toms 1/3 mix and it's my favorite shooter. I'm hopefully going to be picking up at least one 1903A3 next year also.
But I digress.
I love mosins. Cheap. Goes boom. Most are reasonably accurate. Some are amazingly accurate. And no two are alike. I may be picking up a red-lettered Izhy M91/30 on friday .
Matt
morcey2
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bi metal jacket
Still waiting on email...
Century does a quick check on them and sells any have any obvious issues as U-Fix-Em's. They don't build them in any way. The arsenal refinishing includes the stock, metal finish, firing pin and spring, and checking/adjusting the headspace. When they were dipped in the molten cosmoline, they were in ready-to-fire/storm-through-the-Fulda-Gap condition.
It's not like the CETME's, FAL's, et. al. where century has built them completely from parts and has had some issues with poor fitment.
All of the Russian 7.62x54r that I've seen is mild steel core, not bi-metal jacket. Yes, it's harder than lead, but it's not armor piercing by any stretch. It'll ricochet back towards you on a AR500 plate while lead will splatter. It'll probably go through a slight bit more armor than a heavy ball round, but not enough to matter.
Matt
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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Mild steel is a lot tougher than lead... I disagree. I think it'll go through much more than just lead wrapped in copper.
smithman 10
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Moisin Nagant
I bought a 1891/56 carbine model off an old boy at a gunshow sellilng off his collection. I gave $100 for it.
Ammo (only thing I've ever fired is surplus corrosive) is cheap, rifle always goes bang, trigger is okay and yes, the bolt is stiff.
My most recent visit to the range managed to hit some hanging steel (man-sized target) at 300 yards.
That was fun.
So - cheap, reasonably accurate, reliable, but ugly and crude. All in all - I like it a lot.
I bought a 1891/56 carbine model off an old boy at a gunshow sellilng off his collection. I gave $100 for it.
Ammo (only thing I've ever fired is surplus corrosive) is cheap, rifle always goes bang, trigger is okay and yes, the bolt is stiff.
My most recent visit to the range managed to hit some hanging steel (man-sized target) at 300 yards.
That was fun.
So - cheap, reasonably accurate, reliable, but ugly and crude. All in all - I like it a lot.
Rail Driver
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I just picked up a nice numbers matching M44 recently, and I got it for a great deal
I haven't fired it yet, but I'm planning a range trip soon.
I haven't fired it yet, but I'm planning a range trip soon.
BHP FAN
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I LOVE my M38, it goes to the range with me more than any other centerfire rifle I own. Some days it's all I take .
BADUNAME13
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Just picked up another.... $30
RNB65
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Here's a pic of me shooting a buddy's M38 earlier today. It was a real BLAST! Yea, I like 'em!
Thats a nice pic . If you bring a Mosin carbine at the range, it sure will draw a crowd same as bringing in a Garand. The ones with tacticool dont even get a second look . The blast of the mosin will tell the next guy, Hey , dont count me out ...
BHP FAN
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heh, heh, GREAT pic!
Bonesinium
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I like them, don't love them.
Pros-
It is cheap.
Ammo is cheap.
I find the action to actually be pretty solid.
It is fairly accurate. (picked off 3 quarters in 7 shots at 25 yards with 2 new shooters) I'd call that pretty solid.
It fires a pretty mean round.
It has history.
Cons-
The trigger is well, not good.
The magazine is finicky, a pain to load effectively, and overall a real biotch.
The metal butt plate destroys your shoulder.
It is heavy.
Certainly it isn't anything to love (IMO), but it has enough good about it that I find it hard to hate.
Value- 9/10
Love factor- 3/10
Bonesinum overall- 6/10
Pros-
It is cheap.
Ammo is cheap.
I find the action to actually be pretty solid.
It is fairly accurate. (picked off 3 quarters in 7 shots at 25 yards with 2 new shooters) I'd call that pretty solid.
It fires a pretty mean round.
It has history.
Cons-
The trigger is well, not good.
The magazine is finicky, a pain to load effectively, and overall a real biotch.
The metal butt plate destroys your shoulder.
It is heavy.
Certainly it isn't anything to love (IMO), but it has enough good about it that I find it hard to hate.
Value- 9/10
Love factor- 3/10
Bonesinum overall- 6/10
RatherNotSay
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Perhaps you haven't seen the most common ammo then? Still waiting on email
http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/30...etal-jacket-bi-metal-steel-case-berdan-primed
While the Mosin does not appeal to me as I like fine sporters and target rifles it does have an important place in history.
The Mosin-Nagant was used by Russia in wars including one where the Nazi's were defeated. Russian snipers used the Mosin.
"This venerable design is arguably the longest-lived and is also one of the most widely-produced and copied firearm in the world."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mosin-nagant.htm
So the rifle should mean something to military rifle collectors.
The Mosin-Nagant was used by Russia in wars including one where the Nazi's were defeated. Russian snipers used the Mosin.
"This venerable design is arguably the longest-lived and is also one of the most widely-produced and copied firearm in the world."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mosin-nagant.htm
So the rifle should mean something to military rifle collectors.
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I like mine... Cheap, but I'm a WWII nut collecting all the main WWII rifles from cheapest on (starting with mosin ). Fun to shoot occasionally, but hitting the bolt back gives me bruises... (my shoulder is usually better off than the palm of my hand lol).
). Fun to shoot occasionally, but hitting the bolt back gives me bruises... (my shoulder is usually better off than the palm of my hand lol).LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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You probably got some cosmo in the bolt recesses then. Mine's smooth as butter.
I need to get some more ammo, I've only three rounds left!!! OH NO!!!
I need to get some more ammo, I've only three rounds left!!! OH NO!!!
out of all the rifles i own my mosin m38 made me a better shooter
the stock didnt fit me.........learn the stock and make it fit you
the bolt was incredibly hard to work........be a man and slam that bolt forward and down like its supposed to
trigger pull was approximately 30lbs........need to add somemore weight to them finger curls
accuracy was a minute of pizza box at 25y.......shoot a really,really small pizza box and guarantee your groups will improve
gun kicked like a constipated mule.......its supposed to with that caliber/bolt gun
i have shot a s&w revolver 500 and shotgun with 3-1/2" shells, sure i knew it will hurt but to be honest, i loved it
i dont think these beautiful women ever complained about their mosins
the stock didnt fit me.........learn the stock and make it fit you
the bolt was incredibly hard to work........be a man and slam that bolt forward and down like its supposed to
trigger pull was approximately 30lbs........need to add somemore weight to them finger curls
accuracy was a minute of pizza box at 25y.......shoot a really,really small pizza box and guarantee your groups will improve
gun kicked like a constipated mule.......its supposed to with that caliber/bolt gun
i have shot a s&w revolver 500 and shotgun with 3-1/2" shells, sure i knew it will hurt but to be honest, i loved it
i dont think these beautiful women ever complained about their mosins
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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^^^ Oh me darlin', oh me darlin', oh me darlin', Valentine, You were off killin' them Nazi's, how I missed you, Valentine! lol.
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