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How does the Mossberg Patriot stack up to other bolt action hunting rifles? I ask because $239 at Palmetto State Armory is quite a deal for a rifle if it can hold its own.
Mossberg Patriot
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It's been 6 or 8 years ago Mossberg introduced their Deer Thug (ATR) line of rifles. I think it's the Deer Thug (ATR) that the Patriot has come from. There were several incidents of the bolt breaking and the bolt coming out, injuring the shooter. I only heard about the 30-06 having this issue. It had to do with a pin that was holding the lugs of the bolt onto the bolt body, breaking and the bolt body would become a projectile. The Patriot is a really great looking rifle but I would want some time to go by before spending the money. Especially if you want a heavier caliber. I have never heard of this issue with the lighter calibers.
If I remember correctly, the story was the owners disassembled the bolts but forgot to put the pins back in, resulted in the bolt heads (with lugs) would not rotate to lock in when bolt handles were turned. Savage has the same design.
Another story with pictures showing the bolt handle sleeve is a pressed in or soldered, failed and separated when bolt handle turned, the bolt head did not lock in. That was several years ago, nothing recent.
tbob38
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Can anyone tell us more? I just bought a Patriot in 270 Win cal, with marinecoat and laminated stock. Like it so far.
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With an MSRP of $421.00 they're a tick higher end than entry level. The fluted barrels and spiral fluted bolts are purely decorative. Just like they are on any rifle.
Deer season just end where you are? Typical of shops everywhere to put deer rifles on sale right after deer season. Best time of year to find really good buys on used rifles too. Don't think you'll beat $239 though.
Deer season just end where you are? Typical of shops everywhere to put deer rifles on sale right after deer season. Best time of year to find really good buys on used rifles too. Don't think you'll beat $239 though.
This is where the "rumor" started about the pin breaking. Many not believers! Use your own judgement. The pin is not really load carrying, it is the lugs carry the load, so I don't see how the pin would break. Missing is more likely.
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3288632/1
The bolt handle separation picture can be seen here. You can do your own inspection. If the bolt separates that much, I doubt one can fire a round while the firing pin won't touch the primer.
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/mossberg-4x4-25-06-a-52241/
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Captcurt
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I have played with a few. The walnut stocked guns are very nice for the money. One caveat, though, is the sloppy bolt. This is especially true on the long action guns. There was enough play that the rear of the bolt could ding the stock comb when pulled all of the way back. No issue on the short action. One synthetic gun that I had in 308 would shoot MOA out of the box with factory ammo and 1/2 MOA with my reloads. The triggers were creepy and little heavy to my liking, but for a entry level rifle, they are a bargain.
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I have one that is in Marinecote synthetic stock 375 Ruger have shot over 100 rounds one complaint that butt pad is hollow rubber with a plastic rib that 375 points out quickly my be fine on 270. Was planning to put a Boyd's stock on it later but after shooting it I'm not going to mess wit it . It prints well under a 1" have had 3 shot groups that would fit under a dime my first group with new loading was 4 shots in a inch. Have also seen a 7mm-08 print just as well.
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I hunt with a .308 Patriot; It is the best rifle ever!
It is/has:
Light weight
Easy on the shoulder (I fired an entire box with only a t-shirt on... no bruises at all! The butt pad is great)
Remarkably accurate (I got sub-MOA groups!)
Target crown! (Accurate, plus it keeps the crown protected)
Fluted barrel! (Always a good idea)
spiral fluted bolt! (Ditto)
Weaver rail mounts (Makes mounting scopes so much easier)
Excellent Price!
I could go on and on, but I won't. Overall, I absolutely recommend. I would take it over a Sako or Remington any day.
Thanks
It is/has:
Light weight
Easy on the shoulder (I fired an entire box with only a t-shirt on... no bruises at all! The butt pad is great)
Remarkably accurate (I got sub-MOA groups!)
Target crown! (Accurate, plus it keeps the crown protected)
Fluted barrel! (Always a good idea)
spiral fluted bolt! (Ditto)
Weaver rail mounts (Makes mounting scopes so much easier)
Excellent Price!
I could go on and on, but I won't. Overall, I absolutely recommend. I would take it over a Sako or Remington any day.
Thanks
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I bought one in 270 earlier this year and I love it. I've fired around 200rds and it functions flawlessly and with my reloads I have put bullets in the same hole at 100 yds. Hadn't done it many times but have done it. Consistently shoots sub 1" groups.
I haven't heard much negatives about these rifles mostly complaints that there's a bit bof wiggle in the bolt when it's fully retracted.
Seriously doubt you'd regret the purchase
I haven't heard much negatives about these rifles mostly complaints that there's a bit bof wiggle in the bolt when it's fully retracted.
Seriously doubt you'd regret the purchase
It surprised me that the Savage Axis was as accurate as it was for an "entry level" rifle. I think the manufacturers have now pretty much resolved the issues that affect accuracy for all but most precise premium rifles so that whether you get your bolt-action from Winchester, Remington, Savage, Mossburg, or one of the imports, the rifle itself will probably be more accurate than you.
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"I will agree with you on all but 1 the recoil pad may be great for 308 but on the 375 Ruger it is a little lacking other than that it's a great rifle."
Yeah, I imagine a .375 ruger will be just a little uncomfortable, no matter the weapon. That's a man's man cartridge.
Yeah, I imagine a .375 ruger will be just a little uncomfortable, no matter the weapon. That's a man's man cartridge.
The more i read the more ive come to believe that there arent many, if any, bad bargain bolt guns anymore.
Its my opnion that when you go above the first tier in pricing your buying refinement, and eventually we will all go above that first tier. It behooves manufacturers to build a damn fine low cost rifle, so the customer is brand loyal (to a degree atleast).
Its my opnion that when you go above the first tier in pricing your buying refinement, and eventually we will all go above that first tier. It behooves manufacturers to build a damn fine low cost rifle, so the customer is brand loyal (to a degree atleast).
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Everyone is following savage directives yet Savage is decades ahead in affordable accurate rifle making.
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I don't mind it. That part of the rifle does not have to be too terribly strong. The other side makes up for it, and the lug-thing in front of the action takes the brunt of the recoil.
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It seems like the gun industry is finally realizing: people like well made guns, but they like cheap well made guns even more. Consider this:
Winchemingtonberg came out with the well made model X. It is $1,000*....
Only 100 people bought it in 1 year...
That's $10,000*
Now, they lowered the price to $500*...
1,000 people bought it, because the price was lower...
Winchemingtonberg made $500,000* that year.
In summary: when the value of the product is the same, more people buy the product when the prices are less exclusive. Winchemingtonberg made $490,000 more* when they lowered the prices.
Hope this makes sense.
*profit; not counting the cost of production.
Winchemingtonberg came out with the well made model X. It is $1,000*....
Only 100 people bought it in 1 year...
That's $10,000*
Now, they lowered the price to $500*...
1,000 people bought it, because the price was lower...
Winchemingtonberg made $500,000* that year.
In summary: when the value of the product is the same, more people buy the product when the prices are less exclusive. Winchemingtonberg made $490,000 more* when they lowered the prices.
Hope this makes sense.
*profit; not counting the cost of production.
1stmarines point wasnt that it NEEDED to be that strong, atleast from a safety point of view. But the full bodied actions like the savage, Tikka, Ruger Americans, and other with small loading ports are STIFFER and thus more inherently resistant to torquing/flexing etc. The Majors have always had budget variants or guns, but recently weve been seeing an increase in options, quality, and refinement of what most of us would call entry level guns.
Using the Patriot as an example, compare it to an ATR or Raptor rifles from a few years back. Its basicaly the same gun, but mossberg has spent the time and energy to make it compete with the other guns in its price range, its still not as nice as a gun that costs twice or three times what it does, but its likely to be accurate enough, and safe/reliable enough now. Few years back they had many more issues.
Using the Patriot as an example, compare it to an ATR or Raptor rifles from a few years back. Its basicaly the same gun, but mossberg has spent the time and energy to make it compete with the other guns in its price range, its still not as nice as a gun that costs twice or three times what it does, but its likely to be accurate enough, and safe/reliable enough now. Few years back they had many more issues.
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Ah. I understand. I was just putting in my 2 cents.
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I did not think you were arguing. Its cool. And I'm sorry if I sounded argumentative; I wasn't trying to be.
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I don't think the patriot is a bad rifle. Also I don't think it is a great rifle neither.
In my experience for smaller calibers is less critical but once you start putting 308, 270, 30-06, magnums, etc... you increase the torque
forces that ripple through the entire system. Aside from the obvious implications of having super light actions in larger calibers with a lot
less weight one needs to consider if the difference in cost and/or penalty weight out wages the increased rigidity, versatility and accuracy potential.
With firearms it is always a world of trade offs of some sort. I think the caliber has a huge impact if one decides to keep things light.
I never met anyone shooting a 300 win mag complaining of the rifle being a bit too heavy, specially after firing that cartridge in order to being
practical and effective with it.
IMO this fashion of feather weight rifles like for example the 7mm/08 rifles is a big mistake since this one will already beat folks up (and the action)
so it might be ok for moderate use but super light skeleton actions should be relegated to smaller torque and recoil forces that means smaller or low
pressure calibers. Of course one could add weight by other means in stocks, bypods, and other things but putting that weight in the action and
shank with, lets say, mid weight barrel, etc.., might provide more benefits than the same dead weight in other places.
I like the reminton 700, savage 10/11/16 actions, M70 among a few others because they have the external and tenon
dimensions potentially become great shooters with any caliber. Also because of the huge unparalleled market support. Axis also shares same bolt
heads and amazing budget barrels with the small shank series that is a huge plus. Everyone is following their lead but savage are way head.
I am not sure how much more expensive is a savage 10 or axis ($300-$420) vs. the mossberg but I doubt it would be a determining factor.
Again, nothing wrong with shooting a patriot but there are pretty good reasons to consider others too. Many of the budget rifles are going
to be many times better that some old models including surplus (like Mosin for example) that are not that inexpensive anymore including
plenty of junk. ...unless for collection reasons, or WWI / WWII war re-enhancements, etc...
In my experience for smaller calibers is less critical but once you start putting 308, 270, 30-06, magnums, etc... you increase the torque
forces that ripple through the entire system. Aside from the obvious implications of having super light actions in larger calibers with a lot
less weight one needs to consider if the difference in cost and/or penalty weight out wages the increased rigidity, versatility and accuracy potential.
With firearms it is always a world of trade offs of some sort. I think the caliber has a huge impact if one decides to keep things light.
I never met anyone shooting a 300 win mag complaining of the rifle being a bit too heavy, specially after firing that cartridge in order to being
practical and effective with it.
IMO this fashion of feather weight rifles like for example the 7mm/08 rifles is a big mistake since this one will already beat folks up (and the action)
so it might be ok for moderate use but super light skeleton actions should be relegated to smaller torque and recoil forces that means smaller or low
pressure calibers. Of course one could add weight by other means in stocks, bypods, and other things but putting that weight in the action and
shank with, lets say, mid weight barrel, etc.., might provide more benefits than the same dead weight in other places.
I like the reminton 700, savage 10/11/16 actions, M70 among a few others because they have the external and tenon
dimensions potentially become great shooters with any caliber. Also because of the huge unparalleled market support. Axis also shares same bolt
heads and amazing budget barrels with the small shank series that is a huge plus. Everyone is following their lead but savage are way head.
I am not sure how much more expensive is a savage 10 or axis ($300-$420) vs. the mossberg but I doubt it would be a determining factor.
Again, nothing wrong with shooting a patriot but there are pretty good reasons to consider others too. Many of the budget rifles are going
to be many times better that some old models including surplus (like Mosin for example) that are not that inexpensive anymore including
plenty of junk. ...unless for collection reasons, or WWI / WWII war re-enhancements, etc...
1stmarine
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What is the value of arguing riot?. I rather think we are sharing different perspectives.
I think gun owners we feel pretty strongly about our own rifles and calibers too. It is like talking about our children. lol
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On the Savage Axis I have two one is the original Edge the second an Axis we call the second one the fair weather gun it won't shoot below freezing. A trip back to gun shop got me a lesson on reloading it fired in there test range with factory loads a trip to savage for the rifle got me the same lesson so I got a box of factory ammo set gun on back porch for about 4 hours and it did not fire any of five shells. With bad taste in my mouth left by the fact that they want to blame my reloading not their product will not look at another. I have a number of rifles over 15 years old that have never seen a factory round and have never left me down.
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