most accurate 9mm under 2000

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In the tradition of the proverbial Swiss watch, when SIG/Switzerland made the P210 there was hand fitting and finishing similar to that of the hand crafted, custom 1911's done by the specialty 'smiths. THAT is why they shoot so well. That little extra attention was rolled into the price, which was always higher than Colt or S&W's high end models.
 
Shot the X5, P210, S&W 952, none of them could shoot better than my STI Trojan 9mm. At least in my hands, the STI was as good if not better than any of the others. Cost wise it retails locally for about $1050 to $1180, mine was made in the STI Custom shop, nothing special done but leave off the billboard and serations on the front of the slide, cost with FET, just above $1400.
 
Most people do not posses the pratice or training to be accurate enough to claim they need a custom gun.
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That sounds gun-snobbish to me....maybe some people just want one...?
 
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Shot the X5, P210, S&W 952, none of them could shoot better than my STI Trojan 9mm. /QUOTE]


Darn you! I have been trying to talk myself out of the shiny new STI Trojan at my LGS. I need another 9mm 1911 like I need a hole in my head but that one just feels so good in my Hand.:rolleyes:
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STI Trojan, worth every penny I spent on it, really good Steel challenge pistol, excellent USPSA Single Stack gun. Out shoot a lot of people even at minor power factor. For the money it may be one of the best 9mm pistols...ever. Ramped Schuman barrel, accepts Wilson Combat 10 round magazines, stock trigger good to excellent. Easy to find parts and upgrades, not to mention holsters that fit. There are a lot of good reasons to get a 9mm 1911, shooting one is the best one of all.
 
That sounds gun-snobbish to me....maybe some people just want one...?
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I understand owning any gun for the sake of wanting one. Looking to buy a gun for super accuracy is looking for a gun to fill a need. Without understanding what accuracy is, what guns a person shoots best, and practice, inherent accuracy is worthless. The local gun store to me sells a few 2k plus 1911s a week, and it's not uncommon to see them at any range I go to. Most of the people that own them can't shoot 4 inch groups at 50 feet let alone 25 yards. I am not trying to make fun of anyone here, just making a point that accuracy is in the shooter. Which is why a good shot can get good groups at 25 yards with a hipoint, and a bad shot can't hit a 10 inch group at 21 feet with a high end pistol.

I have trained a lot of people to shoot pistols and your average person with professional instruction shoots 3 to 4 inch groups at 15 to 21 feet. Your average shooter at the range without any professional training is lucky to shoot a 8 to 10 inch group at 21 feet. The average person with some experience, professional training and shooting my sp01 with 22 conversion will shoot 2 inch groups at 21 feet. This is still much less then the gun can shoot, and with cheap ammo.

There is to much bad information out there with accuracy of pistols. If your on a message board asking about what the most accurate pistol is, yet you don't have much experiance/ training, the answer isn't "buy whatever you can afford" it should be "get a solid gun, get training, and practice a lot". Learning the ropes on a beat up police trade in glock or Berreta will do a lot more for accuracy then a 2k gun will.
 
I have had a lot of students start one of my classes saying "they are thinking about getting a different pistol because theirs isn't accurate". By the time they are done with the class they are better shots, and realize their accuracy problem was them and not the gun.

Even I have had issues shooting some guns. I bought a ruger lcr in 357 mag a while ago. I took it to the range and literally couldn't hit a 5 inch circle at 15 feet! I was so disappointed in myself And the gun I didn't know what to do. On a fluke I saw a ad it came with for a big dot front sight. I noticed they had the front sight way higher then the rear notch. I thought "gee, I wonder if my front post should be aligned much higher then I had it (it was level across the front back sight and I was hitting way low). I painted the ramp of the front sight bright red, and took it back to the range. Magically I was able to shoot very well with it, and everything was great. This reminded me of how newbie shooters feel when they buy nice guns and have the same problems.

Every accurate shooter has his or her preferred pistol. Some like 1911s, and some even love single action revolvers. Everyone has different attributes that make certain guns work better for them. That's why before blowing major coin on a super accurate pistol you should atleast know what works and what doesn't for you. Or you might be throwing your money away.
 
CZ is the only manufacturer I know much about their Custom Shop. The Shadow Target Custom lists for around 1300 and the Accu Shadow is $1600. Supposedly, all the Custom Shop work is what gives their accuracy.
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Well, that is partially true. The CZ Custom Shop ADDS to the CZ's accuracy, but they are inherently accurate by design. The slide rides inside the rail, and the grip, and ergonomics allow an excellent hold on the pistol. The low bore axis helps as well.

Both my CZ-75B, and 75D PCR are both totally stock and are some of my most accurate centerfire pistols. However, I shoot my stock MK III Browning Hi Power just a little bit better, so accuracy has a lot to do with the shooter, and how the shooter adapts to a specific gun. Most pistols today are more mechanically accurate than the shooter, and for me it is mostly trigger weight, and how/wear it breaks that makes a big difference.

You may want to try a 1911 style pistol. The STI Trojan is a good suggestion.
 
"I am not trying to make fun of anyone here, just making a point that accuracy is in the shooter."

You're not making fun of anyone here. I simply don't believe you have made your point. You seem to be ignoring what you've been told by experienced shooters who have owned the guns being discussed.

You need to re-read the quote about the dispersion of the shooter being added to the dispersion of the gun. That's it in a nutshell.

John
 
There is no sense bringing the shooter into the equation when discussing the accuracy of the GUN itself. We all know what the real world is, but if you want to measure the accuracy of a pistol, you need to remove the shooter. Otherwise, the discussion has no point.
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There is no sense bringing the shooter into the equation when discussing the accuracy of the GUN itself. We all know what the real world is, but if you want to measure the accuracy of a pistol, you need to remove the shooter. Otherwise, the discussion has no point.

A ransom rest is required.
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Absolutely true. The op asked, "Can you tell me which pistol is considered to be the most accurate 9mm, up to $2000?" He didn't ask which shooter can shoot it best. If we are trying to determine the intrinsic accuracy of a given firearm, the first order of the day is to divorce the shooter from the gun as much as is practical or possible. A Ransom rest helps accomplish this (though it has to be conceded that the human element will always be present to one degree or another when shooting any firearm, rest or no rest. The goal is to eliminate it as much as possible).
 
You need to re-read the quote about the dispersion of the shooter being added to the dispersion of the gun. That's it in a nutshell.

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How inaccurate do you think a xd, glock, or m&p is at 25 yards? If those guns were only capable of 8 inch groups at 25 yards, then yes you would have more of a point. Those guns with the right ammo are likely 2 to sub 2 inch guns at 25 yards with tailored ammo.

If you had no control over when to fire, the movement of the shooter would play a significant role over accuracy. However you have a trigger that allows you to fire consistently at the same point (or very close), which helps lessen that effect. You could have a 3 foot arc of movement for POI at 25 yards, and as long as you pull the trigger at the same time each time with the same sight alignment your POI will only be within the guns mechanical accuracy, which is less then anyone on here could shoot off hand.

The OP owns a glock 17 and mine is most certainly capable of sub 3 inch groups at 25 yards because I have shot that a time or two while standing. So the real question is how well can he shoot his glock 17? If he can't shoot 5 inch groups with it at 25 yards upgrading to a high end gun isn't going to make him a 2 inch shooter. If he is shooting sub 3 inch groups at 25 yards with it he could benefit by a upgrade.

I am trying to get the OP to the results he wants, not to spending a lot of money without results. Your average person tends to think a typical handgun is only capable of 3 inch groups at 21 feet. Judging by the OPs level of experiance and familiarization with higher end pistols, I am willing to bet he doesn't realize how accurate the guns he owns are. We might disagree on things but I think the OP could benifit more by paying for training and buying lots of ammo. If he just wants to own a "super accurate gun" for the same of owning one, yes all there is to it is buying one. If he legitimately wants to shoot accurately there is a lot more to it then just buying another gun. That's what I see training people on a weekly basis, is most people think you have to buy a 1,000$ gun to shoot 2 inch groups at 7 yards, let alone 25 yards.
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One of the most accurate guns ever was/is the S&W Model-10.. that's a .38 Special. I think you can find them in a cracker-jacks box. lolz
 
Get a Beretta 92 and put a conical bushing on it. all for about 900
bucks brand new. It will shoot with the best of them.
 
Kimber Team Match II in 9mm. If good enough for USA Shooting team, good enough for me. You will get tired of putting them all in one hole
 
If you have $2000 to spend on a 9mm, look at the HK P7M8 (single stack) and the P7M13 (double stack).
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Here is a P7 factory 25m test target:

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Here is a Sig X-5 Tactical factory test target:

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