most accurate 9mm under 2000

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If you read Gun Tests on the subject, you wouldn't look for one.


As an old guy name of Cooper said, "The dispersion of the weapon is added to the dispersion of the shooter. Therefore it can only be desired that the weapon have no dispersion at all."

If you want accurate shooting, you have to have accurate equipment.
No sense in getting carried away with it, Gil Hebard said you could make it to NRA Expert with GOOD stock (S&W M41, High Standard Supermatic, Gold Cup) guns before actually needing full custom.
 
So what do all of you "dont shoot 9 for accuracy" shoot for accuracy? just curious
How accurate is accurate; what's you're standard? I have no problem getting fine accuracy from a 9mm, but since I load my own, I tailor ammunition to the gun.

Here's my old 1970 vintage BHP at 15 yards I believe it was ... full magazine, 13 shots.
 
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Just about any standard pistol will be more accurate than the average shooter. A gun isnt going to make you accurate. With rifles shooting out to 1000 yards, having super accurate equipment is a must. Shooting pistols at 25-50 yards, you can be extremely accurate with most popular full size pistols including glocks. If I was looking for an accurate, expensive, 9mm, Id be looking for a STI Tactical 5.0
 
"A gun isnt going to make you accurate."

An inacurate gun certainly isn't going to make anybody accurate.

I think I'd rather err on the side of having too much gun for my talents rather than on the side of having an average, so-so, mediocre accuracy gun. Average guns have their uses and I own a bunch, but the OP asked about "most accurate".

John

P.S. - And thanks for the Cooper quote. Dispersion of the shooter was what I was looking for earlier when I said wobble.

"As an old guy name of Cooper said, "The dispersion of the weapon is added to the dispersion of the shooter. Therefore it can only be desired that the weapon have no dispersion at all.""
 
Get something with a single action trigger for sure. I vote for a high end cz pattern gun because I have firsthand experience with them being accurate and I like the ergonomics better than the 1911 pattern guns.

I have had great success with the $1300 cz-75 tactical sport, and almost as much success with the $500 witness elite match. I would assume that the the higher end witnesses are even better. But I'm sure there are other quality guns.
 
[/QHow accurate is accurate; what's you're standard? I have no problem getting fine accuracy from a 9mm, but since I load my own, I tailor ammunition to the gun.

geez. i dont know...i just try and hit the middle of the target but im usually just within 3 or 4 "...would i be more accurate with a heavier round than 115s? or is that not how it works exactly?
 
Here's my old 1970 vintage BHP at 15 yards I believe it was ... full magazine, 13 shots.

you need to bring it down a little. you're hittin a tad high..



that was a joke by the way
 
Last Friday I had a chance to shoot.a Wilson Professional chambered in 9mm; the 15 yd. groups I got made me very happy. You would need more like $3K for one of those.
 
SIG P210's were originally supplied with targets fired at the factory at 50 yards! Those targets looked like targets from other guns fired at 25 yards. I don't know about the new ones, but I'd give them a shot (pun intended).
 
SIG P210's were originally supplied with targets fired at the factory at 50 yards! Those targets looked like targets from other guns fired at 25 yards. I don't know about the new ones, but I'd give them a shot (pun intended).

It's actually 50 meters, nearly 55 yards.
 
I think the cutoff for accuracy comes a lot cheaper than $2000. And to be perfectly honest, if anyone tells me that service-grade 9mms aren't more accurate than THEY are, I tell them to prove it.

Service pistols are not (nor are they intended to be) high-accuracy weapons.
 
I think the cutoff for accuracy comes a lot cheaper than $2000. And to be perfectly honest, if anyone tells me that service-grade 9mms aren't more accurate than THEY are, I tell them to prove it.

Service pistols are not (nor are they intended to be) high-accuracy weapons
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I don't agree with anything here.

There is no sense bringing the shooter into the equation when discussing the accuracy of the GUN itself. We all know what the real world is, but if you want to measure the accuracy of a pistol, you need to remove the shooter. Otherwise, the discussion has no point.

A ransom rest is required.

Yes, some pistols (even service pistols) are intended to be very accurate. If you don't think so, I suggest you start doing some research.
 
I've got a Glock 29 that happens to be highly accurate, so why would you make that remark? I know I am not the only one, as my buddy has a G27 that is the same. Glocks might even be more on the high accuracy end than not.
 
I've got a Glock 29 that happens to be highly accurate, so why would you make that remark?

I've owned three, still own 2, and none of them have been that accurate even from a ransom.
 
"Glocks might even be more on the high accuracy end than not."

How many Glocks have won a bullseye championship?
Will a Glock even hold the 10-ring at 50 yards?

Or maybe we have a different idea of high accuracy. The old P-210 factory standard was a group under 2" at 50 meters/55 yds.
 
Just completely missing the point here. My glock 17 is capable of same hole groups at 25 yards from a ransom rest. Im just not that accurate. I have an extremely hard time believing that there are shooters here that are being limited by the accuracy of their pistol. Not saying its not possible, just saying I doubt it. I could be wrong, and I know there are some serious competition guys here that only shoot bullseye with match ammo. But in my experience the shooter is usually to blame for poor accuracy.
 
I have an extremely hard time believing that there are shooters here that are being limited by the accuracy of their pistol. Not saying its not possible, just saying I doubt it. I could be wrong, and I know there are some serious competition guys here that only shoot bullseye with match ammo. But in my experience the shooter is usually to blame for poor accuracy.
Just off the top of my head, I'll name 3. None of them at bullseye shooters, but they are all top tier USPSA shooters...so while their guns are highly tuned, they aren't paper punching guns.

Bruce Gray, Mickey Fowler and Mike Dalton...I've never personally seen him shoot, but I would think Doug Koenig would also be limited.

If these guys are shooting a 1" gun and getting 3" groups at 50 yards, a 3-4" gun would open that group up to 5"...which means you'd be dropping shots out of the X-ring on the Bianchi Target
 
An inacurate gun certainly isn't going to make anybody accurate.

I think I'd rather err on the side of having too much gun for my talents rather than on the side of having an average, so-so, mediocre accuracy gun. Average guns have their uses and I own a bunch, but the OP asked about "most accurate".

The OP comments makes it seem like be has minimal pistol experiance (could be wrong). Spending 2k on a gun capable of firing 1 inch groups at 25 yards and not putting a few thousand rounds through it will not give you the same accuracy as buying a good gun for 600 to 1000$ and spending 600-700$ on ammo/range fees and 300-400 on training. Besides, I haven't shot a handgun that wasn't capable of a 6 inch group at 25 yards (not from a rest), and that is beyond the ability of most shooters. Maybe you guys hang out at bullseye meets every time your at the range but in the 8 years I have been shooting pistols and thousands of people I have seen shoot, most never shoot anywhere near 6 inch groups at 25 yards.

I spend a fair time shooting and I can say I have outshot everyone (other then 4 people) out of the hundreds of people I have been around at the range in the last few years. This is with a czspo1 in 9mm and 22, a 44mag taurus cheap revolver, and my glock 17. None of those guns can shoot in the ball park of many of the 2,000+ 1911s I have seen guys use. I don't bet money but I would bet 100$ I will outshoot 9 out of the next 10 guys I run into at the range, that have 2,000$ + guns. I am not trying to be cocky here, and I am not anywhere near a elite shooter. Most people do not posses the pratice or training to be accurate enough to claim they need a custom gun.

To much emphasis is put onto the gun being the controlling factor in accuracy. That's why companies put "match grade" and all sorts of other names to make their gun seem better then the competition. None of it matters after a certain point. Just like I shoot my buddies cheap Remington 710 and routinely outshoot most people with much better rifles at 100 yards. I can shoot my wasr10 at 25 yards and outshoot your average person with a scoped 22. Again I am not bragging, but your average (more like 90%) of people could benefit more from good training and 1000$ in ammo down range then a 2,000$ gun.

A wood worker with a 3,000$ cabinet saw, and 6k in other tools won't make much better of cabinets or furniture then with 1k in total tools if they don't get educated in what they are doing. I have made nicer furniture with completely cheap tools then guys did with 40k in tools. Not that I am a cheap skate, I own a lot of nice stuff now. By focusing on skill and practice you can get the best out of anything. No practice means no skill, and no skill negates the capability of the tools one owns.

I don't care how accurate a company claims its guns are, if flinching, inconsistent grip, arc of movement, improper sight alignment, etc aren't controlled, the gun will never be accurate. It's more impressive to see tight groups at 25 and 50 yards from a guy with a 100$ gun then a guy who can't shoot 6 inch groups at 15 yards with a 2,000$ gun. I see more of this then the opposite 10 to 1.
 
SIG P210's were originally supplied with targets fired at the factory at 50 yards! Those targets looked like targets from other guns fired at 25 yards. I don't know about the new ones, but I'd give them a shot (pun intended).

Here is a test target from a P210 that was in the SIGForum classifieds a few months ago. This was at 50 meters!

P210target.jpg
 
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